Tuktamysheva's scores

[drivingmissdaisy]

I get back to the star of this thread. What i meant i my first post about that topic, is that even if Liza has (maybe) the same programs since several seasons, judges don't get tired of seeing the same program for years, as we see other skaters (even no necessary the biggest scorers) do the same programs and get high scores.
So, IMO, that's not why Liza gets low pcs. She has things to work on (SS and better choreo). Even last season when she was getting higher scores her pcs were just slightly higher (the highest she received for FS in GPs is 66). So judges have been telling her since a while that she has things to work on. Besides she has less favors this season since the field became more competitive.

She may have also gotten a PCS boost in the past from her high technical merit. It's not quite as impressive now when three senior women are attempting quads and another two are doing 3As with superior programs to Liza's. Unless she learns a quad, Liza isn't making a world team until she works on her PCS scores.

 

[halulupu]

Mishina (google translate but I fixed it a little)
"Why, a few days before the start of Skate America, Elizabeth changed the triple flip - triple toe into two triple toes in a free (I think that's a mistake it was the short wasnt it?) program? That same notorious edge on a flip is very difficult to fix. Medvedev both jumped incorrectly Lutz, and does it all the time."

https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Figurnoe_katanie/w/spbnews_NI1098573_Tatjana_Mishina_Medvedeva_kak_prygala_nepravilno_lutc_tak_i_delajet_eto_postojannn_jej_chasto_proshhajetsa


Zhenya wasn't even at Skate America, it seems very unfair to me, picking on other skaters. It is a bit childish even, IMO.

"Yeah well (insert name here) is worse nah nah nah nah"

mishina just pointed out a fact. liza is lipping and zhenya flutzing,and judges pretended not to see it for a very long time in both cases. and now everyone is in aw when the get eeee.

 

[Mishaminion]

mishina just pointed out a fact. liza is lipping and zhenya flutzing,and judges pretended not to see it for a very long time in both cases. and now everyone is in aw when the get eeee.

That is true, but it isn't very graceful to point that out publically that's what I'm saying. It's unnecessary to mention a particular skater by name, she could have just said that edge calls in general are inconsistently called without mentioning Medvedeva or anyone else.

 

[halulupu]

That is true, but it isn't very graceful to point that out publically that's what I'm saying. It's unnecessary to mention a particular skater by name, she could have just said that edge calls in general are inconsistently called without mentioning Medvedeva or anyone else.

well late revange for biased scoring at last year cup of russia. if they would have called zhenyas flutz, Liza would had been on the world team.

 

[Mishaminion]

well late revange for biased scoring at last year cup of russia. if they would have called zhenyas flutz, Liza would had been on the world team.

Look, it is clear RusFed wanted Zhenya on the World Team and based on her impressive recent resume it made sense. Other than making a comeback to place third at GPF, Liza had not even made the World Team since she won in 2015.

Zhenya was 2016 and 17 WC and Olympic silver medalist, yes she had been injured, changed coaches and was struggling to regain form and consistency but based on results over several seasons, was deserving of the spot. You can disagree with that and that's fine.

Liza, her coaches and indeed some fans can be as bitter as they like about the matter but it's done, no need to drag Zhenya into comments concerning a competition she wasn't even at.

 

[halulupu]

Look, it is clear RusFed wanted Zhenya on the World Team and based on her impressive recent resume it made sense. Other than making a comeback to place third at GPF, Liza had not even made the World Team since she won in 2015.

Zhenya was 2016 and 17 WC and Olympic silver medalist, yes she had been injured, changed coaches and was struggling to regain form and consistency but based on results over several seasons, was deserving of the spot. You can disagree with that and that's fine.

Liza, her coaches and indeed some fans can be as bitter as they like about the matter but it's done, no need to drag Zhenya into comments concerning a competition she wasn't even at.

zhenya is currently still the biggest russian figure skating star, she is present all the time it is part of politicking to spin the public disussions. eteri does it with well placed instavids. zhenya with clips of her doing 4s in a rod and so on. Team mishin is more old school and gives quotes when necessary

 

[Mishaminion]

zhenya is currently still the biggest russian figure skating star, she is present all the time it is part of politicking to spin the public disussions. eteri does it with well placed instavids. zhenya with clips of her doing 4s in a rod and so on. Team mishin is more old school and gives quotes when necessary

Old school means dragging other skaters into their comments completely unnecessarily? You can't compare Zhenya doing 4S videos with someone bringing up opponents, you might have a point if she posted a video pointing out issues with another Skater's quad for no reason.

 

[yume]

Oh God. Mishin better should have gave another name. There wouldn't be this drama.

zhenya is currently still the biggest russian figure skating star, she is present all the time it is part of politicking to spin the public disussions. eteri does it with well placed instavids. zhenya with clips of her doing 4s in a rod and so on. Team mishin is more old school and gives quotes when necessary

I think Liza was using social media quite well to promote herself last season. She still does that but not as much as last season.
I think the difference with the others is that media care about them while they don't care about Liza. Easy to be popular when you have a big media coverage and appear in every single news.
So when media care about skaters like Liza it's for writing sensational article with bold sentence that will get mad some people.

 

[halulupu]

Old school means dragging other skaters into their comments completely unnecessarily? You can't compare Zhenya doing 4S videos with someone bringing up opponents, you might have a point if she posted a video pointing out issues with another Skater's quad for no reason.

its not unnecessary in their view. zhenya is one of her oponent for a world spot. they just want to make sure no one can overlook her flutz anymore by pointing it out publicly. if liza is judged harsly (but correct so, her flip was e), why should others get away with their failures. I am ot saying that is very nice. but look its not a scandal either. its part of the game

 

[Mishaminion]

its not unnecessary in their view. zhenya is one of her oponent for a world spot. they just want to make sure no one can overlook her flutz anymore by pointing it out publicly. if liza is judges harsly (but correct so, her flip was e), why should others get away with their failures. I am ot saying that is very nice. but look its not a scandal either. its part of the game

It is not TeamMishin's job to point out Medvedeva's flutz! Just as it wouldn't be Brian Orser's job to point out Liza's lip.

Not only that but Zhenya is almost always dinged for her flutz now, anyway...so does not in fact get away with it at all.

My God, if TeamMishin actually put in as much effort improving Liza's programs as they do pointing fingers at her teammates they might actually get somewhere.

 

[halulupu]

It is not TeamMishin's job to point out Medvedeva's flutz! Just as it wouldn't be Brian Orser's job to point out Liza's lip.

Not only that but Zhenya is almost always dinged for her flutz now, anyway...so does not in fact get away with it at all.

My God, if TeamMishin actually put in as much effort improving Liza's programs as they do pointing fingers at her teammates they might actually get somewhere.

comon not much effort is needed to give some quotes for a russian tabloid. hmm probaly 15 min

 

[Mishaminion]

comon not much effort is needed to give some quotes for a russian tabloid. hmm probaly 15 min

It is not the only example, by far. However, I did not mean it literally anyway, it just seems they're wasting any time at all trying to shift the focus on to other skaters weaknesses instead of only addressing their own.

It is bad sportsmanship, plain and simple.

 

[esteticlove]

My God, if TeamMishin actually put in as much effort improving Liza's programs as they do pointing fingers at her teammates they might actually get somewhere.

Exactly my thoughts. Anna S was also underscored at Lombardia Trophy with a scandalous UR call on a clearly rotated jump in her SP. She was quite shocked by the scores but we didn't hear any complaining. On the following day she won with a great free program. That's the only way to prove that you are worth big scores - you have to show big skating. This includes upping your BV by getting a proper layout, but also to get the levels for spins and steps. And to work hard for the second mark. We all can agree that nobody is excepting or wanting Liza to have Eteri style choreography but she still needs something more than slow two foot skating and arm movements a la cleaning windows.

 

[halulupu]

It is not the only example, by far. However, I did not mean it literally anyway, it just seems they're wasting any time at all trying to shift the focus on to other skaters weaknesses instead of only addressing their own.

It is bad sportsmanship, plain and simple.

I agree with you they should focus on Lizas weaknessnes. By the way they had a couple of years to do so. But I think you are overracting a bit. When Tarasova pulled all possible strings to secure Zhenya a world spot at the cost of Liza, it wasnt very fair either. However, its part of the game.

 

[Mathman]

comon not much effort is needed to give some quotes for a russian tabloid. hmm probaly 15 min

Still, I don't get it. How does bad-mouthing the judges get you any more points from them next time?

 

[Mishaminion]

I agree with you they should focus on Lizas weaknessnes. By the way they had a couple of years to do so. But I think you are overracting a bit. When Tarasova pulled all possible strings to secure Zhenya a world spot at the cost of Liza, it wasnt very fair either. However, its part of the game.

I explained why I think they decided to give the spot to Zhenya, feel free to disagree but it has nothing to do with Skate America or Liza's current scores anyway.

My concern for Liza is how all this affects her own reputation, I don't know if her attitude or her or her coaches comments are intended to deliberately stir up controversy or not but that's what it looks like.

It won't do her any favours, either way.

 

[yume]

Still, I don't get it. How does bad-mouthing the judges get you any more points from them next time?

It won't get them any more points. Mishin is just badass.

 

[Amei]

It is not TeamMishin's job to point out Medvedeva's flutz! Just as it wouldn't be Brian Orser's job to point out Liza's lip.

Not only that but Zhenya is almost always dinged for her flutz now, anyway...so does not in fact get away with it at all.

My God, if TeamMishin actually put in as much effort improving Liza's programs as they do pointing fingers at her teammates they might actually get somewhere.

I agree with everything you except with the 'pointing fingers at her teammates'....figure skating is not a team sport with the exception of 1 serious competition (team event at Olympics) and a few fun events (WTT and Japan Open); Evgenia is not Elizaveta's teammate that's her competition for a spot on the Europeans/Worlds team.

 

[Ophelia]

I am all for throwing shade and being salty at opponents, but Camp Mishin's bitterness isn't productive. Theyve been stuck in the same spot for over a quad now. It's time to get on with the times and adapt.

 

[jersey1302]

This has been mentioned by a few people but I will still give my opinion haha. So here's the thing..Her jumps are nice usually however I find there is nothing going into them, she doesnt really have difficult entries. Secondly her skating with in her performance has a real lack of character and skill set. To me she just kind of goes along with the music and half does the program with her skating. I dont feel her character in it, im never pulled in and shes much slower than some of the other skaters in my opinion. I feel shes just lazy about alot of things. I guess its just her style? I dont know.TBH I really think she needs to change coaches and maybe move to Canada like Medvedeva did. Something drastic because nothing she's doing is working. After watching her this year my opinions are the exact same as they were last year. I dont think shes getting the short end of any stick.