Virtue and Moir capture second Olympic gold

[NoNameFace]

They can thank their coaching team and themselves for putting in the hard work. They don't owe nobody anything.

Congrats VM! WELL DESERVED!

I see that it is so easy to forget (or strategically omit) how their FD looked at the beginning and what we saw today. Yes - for those opposed altogether towards 'Moulin Rouge' music/storyline/idea/whatever, it will be undeserved trash anyway, regardless how it was performed/executed, but they were able to turn around that vehicle completely, in sense of design, feel and impact created. And that really mattered from competitive standpoint - the idea was there still, but it was certainly re-worked towards more 'universal' response and aiming for the biggest stage, with Olympic moment creation. This time around, they had a large team of people: Marie-France and Patrice who helped tremendously in polishing the program from competitive side, Sam Choinard who helped in choreography tweaks, their sport's psychologist and so on. Also, what stuck me during TE and past two days - so many Canadian Olympic team members where there, by the boards or in the audience, to cheer on them, showing their support, that sure had also some play for their drive and power they executed their programs with.

They were able to make that 'Moulin Rouge' FD work for their benefit and raise continuously since Nationals by features/qualities of it that were mostly criticized and picked up, e.g. 'crotch lift', all references pertaining directly to the movie ('Rouge Rage', interest of Baz Luhrmann), theatrics and storyline carried through their 'Roxanne' documentary piece. They made boldness, provocative sensuality, physicality, dramatism, fierceness a headline, not an afterthought produced out of their control which is quite remarkable by itself. And most importantly - they really focused on themselves, their material, their response and work to be done on that, since the response from the outside was like it was for the whole season.

Weren't they performing their stuff flawlessly, executing everything and not leaving anything to a chance, there was no way in hell they would win this. It took the highest level of their capability, skill and control, physically and mentally, to achieve what they did. Pity that them going on the top of their game suddenly gets unnoticed and the win is there because of someone else. Funny that when Virtue/Moir had issues with their programs/execution of them all season long, losing to French team at GPF, everyone was quick on their feet to pick up flaws, why not to praise the excellence this time around?

 

[charlotte14]

V/M are the GOAT in ice dance IMO. At least this generation. I have never seen a team more consistent and so versatile like them. Tessa is a GODDESS!

 

[Justynka12]

Canadians send flowers to Frenchies,for getting gold medal. They gave it on a plate

 

[sowcow]

Canadians send flowers to Frenchies,for getting gold medal. They gave it on a plate

Welcome Justynka12; I see you've just joined GoldenSkate and this is your first post (...a bit of an 'unusual' 1st post in my mind; but then again, strong (even if wrong^) opinions keep the GS membership on its toes!) :agree:

^ IMHO
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[Justynka12]

Her top came off in the final quarter of the program - what was their excuse for not putting out their best in the first 3/4 of their SD? Because IMO, they didn't.

They didnt put their best in first minutes of the program?//LOL Are you serious? Did you see the protocols? The first minute of the program was better then Canadians! Accordint to judges,maybe not you.. rhumba pattern was better then french for a mile!! I know you Canadians avoid that fact but thats how it is.Maybe you re jealous I dont know..And The non touch was scored THE SAME as v/t! The first minutes of that program were much better then v/t .. You have to accept the fact that if not that dress issue they would be a clean winner. You bubble that frech mistakes was not properly called, but canadians werent as well. Rhymba pattern should never be L4, but you pretend to be blind.. If judges decided not to punished so much V/tfor their mistakes, they also decided that to french. They were not overscored at all.

And NO, i am not french, polish

 

[Justynka12]

rhumba pattern was better then french for a mile

better then canadians, sorry

 

[GGFan]

What a wonderful night of figure skating!! :dance:They elevated MR as much as it could be! No one else needs to do it now

This was the comeback to end all comebacks! I'm so glad I got to see their senior career. Their commitment to excellence and constant improvement should be inspiring to teams for years to come.

 

[Justynka12]

Welcome Justynka12; I see you've just joined GoldenSkate and this is your first post (...a bit of an 'unusual' 1st post in my mind; but then again, strong (even if wrong^) opinions keep the GS membership on its toes!) :agree:

^ IMHO
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No its not wrong.It is true. Judges were ready to get frenchies better score then v/t in short Look at the protocols. Rhumba pattern - maximum goe, non touch - maximum goe,,If they got L4 and all +3 for their not touch - thats something and always they had problems with getting max score for it..., so sorry you can pretend thats not true they won only because of that dress issue, they know that also. They had lucky. Sorry for the frech, becuse they didnt lost because they were worse in true sense of the word. Right?

 

[Justynka12]

I really wish people would stop trivializing V/M's worthy gold as coming down to a strap. The judges still gave the French every favour they could. V/M scored two personal bests and that is what decided the gold medal.

I have said all season long that I have no issue with the French winning if they bring their best and they did not. Their SD to Ed Sheeran was lukewarm in comparison to V/M and the free dance, while I think they outskated the Canadians, again the Canadians outperformed them, and were not as in unison as Euros. One of my biggest peeves is when skaters get personal bests when they don't skate their best.

V/M skated lights out and the French (wardrobe malfunction or otherwise), were silver. Even Guillaume himself graciously conceded that V/M were better, and didn't blame the SD nip slip.

Cizeron said that what he could say? he knew that they lost because of that dress... Lets face it, you canadians know that also. IF Canadians were better , they WOULD WIN THE FD/THEy didnt. They let french win it because it was better.I just feel sorry for fench, because they lost gold with such stupid thing. Sd of the french was marvelous in first half of the program.

In FD it shows what I mean- TWO pair, BOTH clean, and WHO wins?? P/C < not canadian. In short would be the same .

 

[cell]

P/C have already beaten V/M this year in both phases of the competition and overall. Unlike other teams, they have proven that when they bring their best they can win. They didn't bring their best this time, but that could have been because they were distracted by the costume. Just last night everyone was saying that they looked uncomfortable and clearly could not perform to the best of their abilities due to the problem. Therefore it feasibly could have come down to a "strap". That's not trivializing, it's just stating facts.

P/C were also overmarked for what they offered in SD despite the strap and had several judges (China, USA, Turkey) on the panel tonight giving them more points. So honestly, they were going to be helped /politikedto to win whether the strap had happened. Don't get me wrong, they skated a brilliant free (I still preferred Tessa and Scott but it's a virtual tie), but without any errors, it seems like the judges were going to give it to them regardless of what V/M did. So frankly, if it took a costume issue to balance that out, all is fair in life.

 

[charlotte14]

Cizeron said that what he could say? he knew that they lost because of that dress... Lets face it, you canadians know that also. IF Canadians were better , they WOULD WIN THE FD/THEy didnt. They let french win it because it was better.I just feel sorry for fench, because they lost gold with such stupid thing. Sd of the french was marvelous in first half of the program.

In FD it shows what I mean- TWO pair, BOTH clean, and WHO wins?? P/C < not canadian. In short would be the same .

I think P/C have weaker SD and stronger FD. They're always weaker in the FD to be honest.

 

[Justynka12]

P/C were also overmarked for what they offered in SD despite the strap and had several judges (China, USA, Turkey) on the panel tonight giving them more points. So honestly, they were going to be helped /politikedto to win whether the strap had happened. Don't get me wrong, they skated a brilliant free (I still preferred Tessa and Scott but it's a virtual tie), but without any errors, it seems like the judges were going to give it to them regardless of what V/M did. So frankly, if it took a costume to balance that out, all is fair in life.

If P/C were overmarked, also V/T . Their rhumba patter was weak. Sorry , but with such bad rhumba pathern no pair should get WR. The point is that P/C werent worse then V/t in true sense of the word. What a shame. Canadians won only because of that strap.

 

[Justynka12]

I think P/C have weaker SD and stronger FD. They're always weaker in the FD to be honest.

but not so much weak then V/t. Even you can say that.That gap 1,7 was caused by the strap, likely. Not their weaker SD.
For the judges french sd seemed better then canadians especially in the first half, right?

 

[charlotte14]

If P/C were overmarked, also V/T . Their rhumba patter was weak. Sorry , but with such bad rhumba pathern no pair should get WR. The point is that P/C werent worse then V/t in true sense of the word. What a shame. Canadians won only because of that strap.

I watched with a group of Asian friends and they all call P/C's SD less appealing than V/M. Just saying.

P/C has a history of weaker S/D compared to their FD if you're their fan you might have known that. They were led in the FD quite often. Only this GPF they won it does not make them a strong SD team.

 

[cell]

I'm rather amused by all the posters declaring that P/C fans aren't permitted to speculate about a 'fix' in V/M's favour, or that the unclasped top of a competitor got the Canadian couple the gold, while I'm quite certain if P/C had won the whole legion of V/M fans would be up in arms about how unfair it all is, and that others are held up to the detriment of V/M. Judging fixes, naturally all put into place to hold V/M down. But everybody's supposed to be gracious about it now the opposite has occurred. Because the 'right' couple won (in the eyses of the legion). Even so, some fans still have to make derogatory remarks about P/C's beautiful FD (calling it 'a mess'), or state that V/M won despite 'the judges being against them'. Yeah, right.

It really isn't so difficult to make a case the other way round you know.

LOL, the opposite occurred? You mean there was a judging fix for V/M? You mean P/C didn't win the FD with 3 judges giving them over 4 points over V/M (China, USA, Turkey) vs one judge who gave 5 points more to the Canadians (Leanna Caron)? And The Russian judge who almost always votes for P/C? Even though V/M won, the judging panel in FD was still stacked against them.

I don't know who is calling P/C's beautiful FD a mess. It was far from a mess.

 

[millie]

Congratulations to Victor and Moir, the most decorated Olympic Figure Skaters. Yes, Yes, Yes, you earned the Gold. No one can take that away from you. Now enjoy the rest of the Olympics.

 

[cell]

If P/C were overmarked, also V/T . Their rhumba patter was weak. Sorry , but with such bad rhumba pathern no pair should get WR. The point is that P/C werent worse then V/t in true sense of the word. What a shame. Canadians won only because of that strap.

Really, weak? Says who?

P/C had multiple issues in SD (positive GOEs on twizzles, wobbly lift), not to mention, I don't think they have any business getting 10s for choreo or interpretation of this program (although that's extremely subjective), unlike the FD where they shine.

If Canadians only won because of strap, French would have won only because of politics

 

[Osmond4gold]

No its not wrong.It is true. Judges were ready to get frenchies better score then v/t in short Look at the protocols. Rhumba pattern - maximum goe, non touch - maximum goe,,If they got L4 and all +3 for their not touch - thats something and always they had problems with getting max score for it..., so sorry you can pretend thats not true they won only because of that dress issue, they know that also. They had lucky. Sorry for the frech, becuse they didnt lost because they were worse in true sense of the word. Right?

Perhaps if the French did the Team event instead of sitting out, it may have served them well as a...'dress rehearsal', to work all the kinks out. It did for Scott & Tessa, who decided to go back to 'THE LIFT', as there was no points gained by modifying. Oh well, at the end of the day we all make choices, right Justynka12?

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

They didnt put their best in first minutes of the program?//LOL Are you serious? Did you see the protocols? The first minute of the program was better then Canadians! Accordint to judges,maybe not you.. rhumba pattern was better then french for a mile!! I know you Canadians avoid that fact but thats how it is.Maybe you re jealous I dont know..And The non touch was scored THE SAME as v/t! The first minutes of that program were much better then v/t .. You have to accept the fact that if not that dress issue they would be a clean winner. You bubble that frech mistakes was not properly called, but canadians werent as well. Rhymba pattern should never be L4, but you pretend to be blind.. If judges decided not to punished so much V/tfor their mistakes, they also decided that to french. They were not overscored at all.

And NO, i am not french, polish

I said in my opinion. The judges also gave the French better marks for their twizzles (which, fact, were out of sync in their FD) compared to the Canadians' twizzles (and even the Shibs got a +2, when they arguably had the best twizzles of all the teams).

In the SD they also were obviously out of sync on their twizzles but 3 of the judges didn't seem to care.

I just think Ed Sheeran was a weird choice for the SD for them and it lack intensity and fire. It just felt "nice" and not much better than that - and that's referring to all season.

Also why should a rhumba pattern never be level 4? A dozen teams hit level 4 on that pattern, right down to the 22nd place team.

 

[Justynka12]

I watched with a group of Asian friends and they all call P/C's SD less appealing than V/M. Just saying.

P/C has a history of weaker S/D compared to their FD if you're their fan you might have known that. They were led in the FD quite often. Only this GPF they won it does not make them a strong SD team.

History ? What argument is that.. THeir Sd this season is not weak as thier previous ones. What has to do with it? This is new season and they worked. They made progress. Huge. Just because they last ones Sds were weaker , so this one has to be also?Is that argument for v/t fans? You sound odd. No arguments left?? Judges prefered french sd.They loved it whole season it is clear. If not that issue with a dress, eveything woulbd be different. Thats what I cannot get over it. Look at the protocols and the goe of two first elements. Perfection Also PCS.

I watched with my polish frieds and they prefered French. So what? Cadians were slower, too heavy on their edges..Overacted like my friend said.For us it was too much at the times. They were not natural , they were not themsel,f I feel