Women's Grand Prix Trivia

[lehmeh]

Does anyone know how many women have landed at least one ratified triple-triple combination (not sequence) during the Grand Prix Events?

Also, I believe that every woman who has qualified for the Grand Prix Final has landed at least one triple axel (Nakano) or triple-triple combination (the other 5 women) this season. Is that correct?

 

[feraina]

Actually, Kimmie Meissner hasn't managed to land a clean 3/3 yet. So far, three downgrades and 1 pop. Kinda depressing, considering jumps used to be her forte.

It would be fun, if someone had the time, to list how many ratified 3/3 or 3A each GPF qualifier had during the season. :yes:

 

[athlet]

It would be fun, if someone had the time, to list how many ratified 3/3 or 3A each GPF qualifier had during the season. :yes:

This is one of my hobbies.

Two triple axels has landed by Yukari.

3A 7.50 - 0.20 = 7.30 (SC FS)
3A 7.50 + 0.00 = 7.50 (CoR FS)

Mao tried a 3A at TEB but she failed and it was downgraded.

3A< 3.50 - 2.50 = 1.00 (with -1 deduction) (TEB FS)

Five GPF qualifiers except Yukari are trying 3+3 this season.

Yu-Na:
3F+1T (pop) 5.90 - 3.00 = 2.90 (CoC SP)
3F+3T 9.50 + 2.00 = 11.50 (CoC FS)
3F+3T 9.50 + 1.40 = 10.90 (CoR SP)
3F+3T 9.50 + 2.00 = 11.50 (CoR FS)

Mao:
3F+3Lo< (dg) 7.00 - 2.40 = 4.60 (SC SP)
3F+3Lo< (dg) 7.00 - 0.80 = 6.20 (SC FS)
3F+1Lo (pop) 6.00 -3.00 = 3.00 (TEB SP)
3F+3Lo 10.50 - 0.20 = 10.30 (TEB FS)

Carolina:
3F+3T 9.50 + 0.40 = 9.90 (CoC SP)
3F+SEQ (The second jump was not counted) 4.40 - 2.60 = 1.80 (CoC FS)
3F+3T 9.50 - 0.40 = 9.10 (NHK SP)
3F+2T (doubling) 6.80 + 0.60 = 7.40 (NHK FS)

Kimmie:
3Lz+3T< (dg) 7.30 - 0.80 = 6.50 (SA SP)
3F+3T< (dg) 6.80 - 1.60 = 5.20 (SA FS)
3Lz+2T< (doubling, dg) 6.40 - 3.00 = 3.40 (TEB SP)
3F+3T< e (dg, e-call) 6.80 - 1.60 = 5.20 (TEB FS)

Caroline:
3F<+3T (dg) 5.70 - 1.20 = 4.50 (SA SP)
3F<+3T< (dg) 3.00 - 0.68 = 2.32 (SA FS)
3F+3T 9.50 + 0.40 = 9.90 (CoC SP)
3F+3T 9.50 + 0.60 = 10.10 (CoC FS)

This record says that Caroline is the second best 3+3 jumper.

 

[feraina]

Thanks for all the hard work! :yes:

Interesting list. YNK is out of this world. Caroline really progressed through the season. Mao seems to be on the comeback trail. Carolina has yet to land it clean in the LP. Kimmie, oh, Kimmie...

 

[Tinymavy15]

yeah, it's amazing that Caroline learned the 3/3 that fast and is now landing them so well. At Cup of china she landed beauties in BOTH programs... somthing kimmie has not been able to do yet... or even mao.

 

[kikakiks]

I may be totally worng, but there is something that makes the triple triple by both Meissner and Zhang similar in my eyes. I think it's because the rotate really quickly in the air, but don't really jump in distance, neither they have big flow.
That's why it's not as spectacular as the one by Yu-Na, Mao or Carolina (I refer to the one at worlds 2007, not this season)

i hope when Zhang grows up she won't have the same problems as kimmie in underrotating, but she will probably have (since she already has the tendency)...

 

[Bennett]

Yuna's 3-3 is just breath-taking, in both height and distance She gets huge points out of it!

I also like Carolina's 3-3. When she lands it clean, it's absolutely gorgeous

I am also impressed that Caroline's 3-3 was not downgraded in CoC:agree: Good for her.

I heard that Mao migtht have 3F-3T at GPF. That would be great if she does. Could anyone confirm?

Besides, I realized that she had it before back in 2005 in her Junior world ex though this one might be slightly underrorated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt4eqQPZgGE&feature=related

 

[lehmeh]

Thanks to those who provided input.

I was wondering if anyone knows how many other women did ratified 3-3 combinations (not sequences) this season but did not make it to the final.

For example, I believe Laura Lepisto did one in her short and another woman (perhaps Russian?) did one in her short as well but wasn't shown on ESPN.

Overall, despite some crazy rules in the COP that seem to not value 3-3s enough (especially the triple toe-triple toe) it seems that this season might be the highest season ever for the number of women landing them, especially in the short.

 

[goldenpleasures]

Laura Lepisto (Finland) and Elena Glebova (Estonia) have both landed triple toe-triple toe this season in the GP.

 

[zephyrskates]

Overall, despite some crazy rules in the COP that seem to not value 3-3s enough (especially the triple toe-triple toe) it seems that this season might be the highest season ever for the number of women landing them, especially in the short.

i may be wrong but it seems that the only advantage a 3-3 gives a skater is another triple, aside from the impact it has on the PCS.

that is a pity though, considering the ammount of work skaters put in it and its risk.

 

[goldenpleasures]

i may be wrong but it seems that the only advantage a 3-3 gives a skater is another triple, aside from the impact it has on the PCS.

The extra points for another triple are a pretty big advantage, though, especially if a skater is proficient in the spins and footwork as well - it could give an advantage of several points if done well. And championships are sometimes won on just a point or two.

 

[Bennett]

The extra points for another triple are a pretty big advantage, though, especially if a skater is proficient in the spins and footwork as well - it could give an advantage of several points if done well. And championships are sometimes won on just a point or two.

Mao's
3F+3Lo< (dg) 7.00 - 0.80 = 6.20 (SC FS)
3F+3Lo 10.50 - 0.20 = 10.30 (TEB FS)

Yuna
3F+3T 9.50 + 1.40 = 10.90 (CoR SP)

Kimmie
3F+3T< (dg) 6.80 - 1.60 = 5.20 (SA FS)

I agree. I feel that both the 3.5 point difference for 3F-3L and 2.7 difference for 3F-3T in the base value look pretty huge to me. These are almost equivalent to some of the spirals and spins.

Although Yuna earns a huge GOE in any of her jumps, it's rather a rare case among ladies. So I think that getting a base value is important (if successful).

But yes true, the risk of doubling it seems very high.