Yuna Kim

[EyesOfLove]

Just checked. GPF technical judge was Myriam Loriol-Oberwiler. She will be on the technical panel of the Olympics too. Myriam has a history of downgrading Yuna's jumps, doesn't she? I'm not saying Yuna is perfect because she's not, but I hope Yuna doesn't find out that the Olympics will have the same technical panel because it could play with her mind.

Are the actual entries for Olympics tech panels already up? hope it's a hoax.

 

[Figure88]

It is decided that Yuna shall skip 4CC by KSU's determination just now,
so she can devote herself to her skating in Toronto.I am very happy for that.
I hope she is not shaken by these happening.

Good for her. Yuna should follow the lead of Plushenko. After 2010 Worlds, she should take a break for a couple of years, then come back to compete at the 2014 Olympics. That way there is mininal time spent skating under the auspices of the ISU. The Olympic title is the most widely known, most people don't follow any of the competitions that fall in between the 4 years anyway.

 

[miki88]

Well, you have your own biases, so let's leave it at that.

The person was just stating her own opinion. Why are you always so sensitive with matters considering Yuna? Anyways, isn't it just one judge? I am not saying the judge is not biased but Yuna is not the only one who get unfair downgrades. It just happens in the figure skating world. Also, I wouldn't believe Hersch says because he likes to spark controversy before there is even any solid evidence.

 

[Figure88]

The person was just stating her own opinion. Why are you always so sensitive with matters considering Yuna? Anyways, isn't it just one judge? I am not saying the judge is not biased but Yuna is not the only one who get unfair downgrades. It just happens in the figure skating world. Also, I wouldn't believe Hersch says because he likes to spark controversy before there is even any solid evidence.

Did you actually read the article? The solid evidence is the fact that Cinquinta admitted send the KSU a request to produce Yuna or threatened sanctions. Moreover, of the tech specialist to choose from, he is choosing the same one that caused so much controversy over her questionable call, a call questioned even by a Japanese skating expert that figurejennah links to. You can draw your own conclusions. chloepoco made a comment, I just rebutted him. that's all.

 

[miki88]

Did you actually read the article? The solid evidence is the fact that Cinquinta admitted send the KSU a request to produce Yuna or threatened sanctions. Moreover, of the tech specialist to choose from, he is choosing the same one that caused so much controversy over her questionable call, a call questioned even by a Japanese skating expert that figurejennah links to. You can draw your own conclusions. chloepoco made a comment, I just rebutted him. that's all.

Ok to make my statement more clear. I mean we shouldn't believe all what Hersch is saying. He did get evidence for the two things you mentioned above, but the rest is mostly his assumption regarding how it relates to a possible conspiracy. And we must remember that Hersh is a journalist and what journalists love most of all is controvery. And I did read the article but we obviously have different opinions about it so let's just leave it at that. Peace

 

[i love to skate]

Did you actually read the article? The solid evidence is the fact that Cinquinta admitted send the KSU a request to produce Yuna or threatened sanctions. Moreover, of the tech specialist to choose from, he is choosing the same one that caused so much controversy over her questionable call, a call questioned even by a Japanese skating expert that figurejennah links to. You can draw your own conclusions. chloepoco made a comment, I just rebutted him. that's all.

Cinquinta is well within his right to send a letter to the KSU and threaten sanctions - it is in the ISU rule book. The reason this rule exists is so skaters don't just drop out of competitions because "they feel like it". The top Canadian and American skaters can't go because of their Nationals but Yuna doesn't have anything that is preventing her from going. That being said, it is understandable why she wouldn't go and like Speedy said he can't force her. Also, he doesn't personally pick the tech specialists.

 

[silverlake22]

I think Yuna should just go back to 3f-3t. Her 3lz-3t is great but her 3f-3t was even better, higher, covered more ice and never looked even the slightest bit cheated. She doesn't get as much speed going into 3lz-3t and I think that is why it's harder to rotate all the time. All the TV commentators talk about how her 3f-3t is amazing and textbook and the best ever. I really hope Yuna doesn't let these silly biased judges psych her out. She is the best one there and everyone knows it. This doesn't mean she'll necessarily win, but she is the best, by far

 

[evangeline]

"Conspiracy theorists will have a ball ..."
"Essentially trying to force Kim to compete at Four Continents would add fuel to those who argue the ISU is doing everything it can to stack the deck against the South Korean..."
"Skating message boards have been buzzing for two years about alleged deals...."
That Youtube video

Dear Mr. Hersh (and all you kids out there)

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Sincerely,

evangeline

 

[miki88]

So the conspiracy theory goes as follows:

The Japanese Skating Federation has greased the pockets of the tech specialist Myriam Loriol-Oberwiler of Switzerland for years, who does in fact have a history of downgrading Yuna. The JSF sees to it that she is the caller for the GPF in Tokyo. She deliberately downgrades Yuna in Japan so that when she deliberately downgrades Yuna in Canada she has "evidence" of Yuna's shaky skating skills to back her up. The JSF has bribed Cinquanta to the tune of heaven knows how many millions of dollars which means Cinquanta the Puppet now has to force Yuna to show up at 4CC so he can wear her out.

Please. This couldn't possibly be true.

Yea I know right? Imagine they have planned this for a long time, so when Olympics come, Yuna will be worn out, so she won't do her best and not get the gold. Yea, but if that's the case, wouldn't it make sense to not let Yuna win so much; so it won't make their plan look suspicious at Olympics?
Sorry, this whole conspiracy thing just sounds ridiculous.

 

[chloepoco]

Well, you have your own biases, so let's leave it at that.

I am not a journalist, and as I've said, that was my PERSONAL opinion. I am not writing an article for a major newspaper, linking videos made by questionable parties, making innuendos against the Japanese and French federations, etc. I lost any respect for Phil Hersh I might have had after his article basically blasting Jenny Kirk.

 

[Figure88]

Cinquinta is well within his right to send a letter to the KSU and threaten sanctions - it is in the ISU rule book. The reason this rule exists is so skaters don't just drop out of competitions because "they feel like it". The top Canadian and American skaters can't go because of their Nationals but Yuna doesn't have anything that is preventing her from going. QUOTE]

Is there precedent that an ISU president actually used this rule during an Olympic season (much less a normal season) to sanction a top national skater for not competiting? Quote me a precedent. It is an obscure rule that has never been used before. Moreover, the timing is quite suspicious, since Cinquints already knew from the beginning of the year that Yuna will not be competiting in 4cc. Why is he making such demands now? If his requests were sincere and there were no hidden motives, he should have asked team Yuna months ahead so they'd have time to rework their schedule. And no one is dropping out of competition simply because they "feel like it". It's an Olympic Year! Top skaters in 2006 skipped out Worlds because it was right after the Olympics. Also, Miki will not attend 4cc, neither will any of the Japanese male skaters like Oda or Takahashi.

That being said, it is understandable why she wouldn't go and like Speedy said he can't force her. Also, he doesn't personally pick the tech specialists.

Then who picks them? And is it a coincidence that the same tech panel will be used 2 times in a row? At least to give a semblance impartiality, judging panels are usually routinely rotated. Not this time.

Let's assume there is a conspiracy. A Japanese skater will probably take the gold medal, and probably a silver or Bronze for Yuna. So a Canadian/American skater has zero to gain from this, and they will be in the same position as if there was no conspiracy as far as medal ranking is concerned.

 

[chloepoco]

Let's assume there is a conspiracy. A Japanese skater will probably take the gold medal, and probably a silver or Bronze for Yuna. So a Canadian/American skater has zero to gain from this, and they will be in the same position as if there was no conspiracy as far as medal ranking is concerned.

And this is exactly why I feel Phil Hersh's article was inappropriate. Now, if a Japanese skater does win gold, it will be unfairly tainted because of Hersh's innuendo's that the Japanese federation bribed the ISU. I feel he has tarnished the reputation of the skaters, not just the Japanese federations. (better, GoPC2018?)

 

[Figure88]

And this is exactly why I feel Phil Hersh's article was inappropriate. Now, if a Japanese skater does win gold, it will be unfairly tainted because of Hersh's innuendo's that the Japanese federation bribed the ISU. I feel he has tarnished the reputation of the skaters, not just the Japanese (and French) federations.

He is a reporter, just shedding light on the recent turn of events. That's what reporters do. It's a free country, after all.

Don't get me wrong, I still think Yuna is the overwhelming favorite to win the gold, just based on how poorly the top Japanese ladies skated this season.

 

[Basics]

And this is exactly why I feel Phil Hersh's article was inappropriate. Now, if a Japanese skater does win gold, it will be unfairly tainted because of Hersh's innuendo's that the Japanese federation bribed the ISU. I feel he has tarnished the reputation of the skaters, not just the Japanese (and French) federations.

why do you drag French federation into this? lol I didn't find anything that is against French in his article. isn't it somewhat biased point of view?

If a Japanese skater wins cleanly, who shall argue about it?

 

[i love to skate]

Is there precedent that an ISU president actually used this rule during an Olympic season (much less a normal season) to sanction a top national skater for not competiting? Quote me a precedent. It is an obscure rule that has never been used before. Moreover, the timing is quite suspicious, since Cinquints already knew from the beginning of the year that Yuna will not be competiting in 4cc. Why is he making such demands now? If his requests were sincere and there were no hidden motives, he should have asked team Yuna months ahead so they'd have time to rework their schedule. And no one is dropping out of competition simply because they "feel like it". It's an Olympic Year! Top skaters in 2006 skipped out Worlds because it was right after the Olympics. Also, Miki will not attend 4cc, neither will any of the Japanese male skaters like Oda or Takahashi.

World Team Trophy last year. Canadian skaters did not want to go but they did. There is articles on it...look it up. Also, Japan has many other skaters that can fill the void of the top skaters as do Canada and the US. Korea doesn't. Are people still going to fill the stands or watch on TV if Yuna isn't there? As Speedy said, the KSU asked to have this competition - he is running a business and he is worried about the revenue that is going to be generated. Also, like he said, Korea needs to develop their skating program.

Then who picks them? And is it a coincidence that the same tech panel will be used 2 times in a row? At least to give a semblance impartiality, judging panels are usually routinely rotated. Not this time.

There is a technical committee. Have you looked at the other people on the technical panel? Judging panels are often reused from compeition to competition.

 

[Figure88]

World Team Trophy last year. Canadian skaters did not want to go but they did. There is articles on it...look it up. Also, Japan has many other skaters that can fill the void of the top skaters as do Canada and the US. Korea doesn't. Are people still going to fill the stands or watch on TV if Yuna isn't there? As Speedy said, the KSU asked to have this competition - he is running a business and he is worried about the revenue that is going to be generated. Also, like he said, Korea needs to develop their skating program.



There is a technical committee. Have you looked at the other people on the technical panel? Judging panels are often reused from compeition to competition.

I don't know anything about the Team Trophy even, but I assume it probably was off-season and didn't conflict with the schedules of major competition like the Worlds? No? So they had nothing to lose going there to compete anyway? Do you know of any precedent during Olympic season, which would be more appropriate to our facts? Asada & the other skaters are enough of a draw. I doubt it is only about revenues. Like I said, if he was sincere in his motives, he should have Yuna's team months ahead so they can make appropriate arrangements. And it's not Yuna's fault for the fact that she's the only top skater in her federation. Why she being picked on and unduly punished for circumstances beyond her control?

LOL! It's the Olympics, not a typical sporting event. They should not be using the tech panel that they've used in an event just prior to it.

 

[n_halifax]

While Yu-Na Kim, Mao Asada, Miki Ando, Joannie Rochette, etc. etc. are all CONTENDERS for ladies Olympic gold, they are also all human. Each and every single one of them will have to have GREAT skates to win an Olympic medal. But as humans, people can mistakes and anything can and may happen. We have to remember this and realize that as good as ANYONE is, nothing is a given. That said, I hope everyone skates their best and all of this technical panel/controversy chat is something that never comes to be. I would hope? the ISU learned their lesson after SLC.

 

[miki88]

While Yu-Na Kim, Mao Asada, Miki Ando, Joannie Rochette, etc. etc. are all CONTENDERS for ladies Olympic gold, they are also all human. Each and every single one of them will have to have GREAT skates to win an Olympic medal. But as humans, people can mistakes and anything can and may happen. We have to remember this and realize that as good as ANYONE is, nothing is a given. That said, I hope everyone skates their best and all of this technical panel/controversy chat is something that never comes to be. I would hope? the ISU learned their lesson after SLC.

I agree Sigh.... I personally think this conspiracy controversy does more damage to the other skaters because if for some reason, Yuna doesn't win the gold, then a lot of people will say there's really a conspiracy going on. And hell will uproar~~~ Um as for the Japanese skaters doing bad this season? I thought Miki Ando and Suzuki actually improved a lot.

 

[i love to skate]

I don't know anything about the Team Trophy even, but I assume it probably was off-season and didn't conflict with the schedules of major competition like the Worlds? No? So they had nothing to lose going there to compete anyway? Do you know of any precedent during Olympic season, which would be more appropriate to our facts? Asada & the other skaters are enough of a draw. I doubt it is only about revenues. Like I said, if he was sincere in his motives, he should have Yuna's team months ahead so they can make appropriate arrangements. And it's not Yuna's fault for the fact that she's the only top skater in her federation. Why she being picked on and unduly punished for circumstances beyond her control?

You asked for an event where Speedy placed pressure on a federation and I gave you one. WTT was a couple weeks after Worlds when all the skaters were exhausted after an extremely long season. Some wanted to take their vacations, others wanted to participate in shows. The majority of the Canadian team didn't skate very well as they were exhausted. It was a meangingless event but they went because there was huge money being given to the ISU.

LOL! It's the Olympics, not a typical sporting event. They should not be using the tech panel that they've used in an event just prior to it.

When the Olympics start the GPF will have been two months ago. There will have been many competitions held since then - Russian Nationals, Canadian Nationals, US Nationals, Europeans, etc. etc.

I wonder if you would take such issue with the panel being used again if Kim hadn't gotten a questionable call? What if it had happened to Cynthia Phaneuf?

 

[Figure88]

I wonder if you would take such issue with the panel being used again if Kim hadn't gotten a questionable call? What if it had happened to Cynthia Phaneuf? I'm sure you would be more than fine with the panel being used at the Olympics.

Please don't put words into my mouth. I'm not fine with other skaters receiving questionable tech calls either.