Second that. This is wonderful news. No reason to fight for your money combination when you have no motivation to continue. Can't wait for the Arirang program. The music's wonderful & it could definitely push her artistic boundaries. She could do wonders with it.
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Second that. This is wonderful news. No reason to fight for your money combination when you have no motivation to continue. Can't wait for the Arirang program. The music's wonderful & it could definitely push her artistic boundaries. She could do wonders with it.
Ditto. I can't wait to see her new programs, especially her Arirang program! It looks like it will be another wonderful program for her. Also based on what Aunt Joyce's source, it looks like Yuna is in good condition and in fighting form. Now, all she needs is a coach!
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LOL That's a cute interview. I like how she doesn't like carrots, celery, tomatoes, or fairies.Anyway, Yuna's 20/20 Q and A:
http://www.yunakim.com/eng/profile/questions.do?sessionid=1284457520046
And there's a charm to the English. Oh, and I'm really happy her Lark Ascending costume is one of her favs! That's one of my favs too, along with her Gershwin dress.
I have a question for you super duper uber Yuna fans (lol, the same goes for me when it comes to my all-time favs as well, so please don't be offended). 
My question: do you think Yuna is tapped out when it comes to the technical side of her skating? I mean, realistically, how far do you think she is capable of going in terms of technical content? Has she ever done a 7-triple program? or a program with all 5 triples (i.e. toe, salchow, loop, flip, lutz)? or one with two 3/3s in it? What has been the hardest program she has ever done in terms of technical difficulty?
I ask because I honestly don't know, have never kept track of her (nor dozens & dozens of others), and I am interested in what she is capable of achieving. All's I know is that she's afraid of doing the triple axel because of the dangerous forward outside edge takeoff. So what I want to know is has she reached her potential? Just as Michelle Kwan reached hers with 7-triple programs, including a 3T/3T combo., Irina Slutskaya ditto but with two 3/3 combos. (i.e. 3L/3R & 3S/3R), and also ditto with Sarah Hughes with two 3/3 combos. (i.e. 3T/3R & 3S/3R), and might as well add Tara Lipinski with one 3/3 combo. + one 3/3 sequence.
Is Yuna maxed out technically? Thanks for your answers in advance (and if you wish to ask me about any of my all-time favorites, I'll respond in kind).
My question: do you think Yuna is tapped out when it comes to the technical side of her skating? I mean, realistically, how far do you think she is capable of going in terms of technical content? Has she ever done a 7-triple program? or a program with all 5 triples (i.e. toe, salchow, loop, flip, lutz)? or one with two 3/3s in it? What has been the hardest program she has ever done in terms of technical difficulty?
I ask because I honestly don't know, have never kept track of her (nor dozens & dozens of others), and I am interested in what she is capable of achieving. All's I know is that she's afraid of doing the triple axel because of the dangerous forward outside edge takeoff. So what I want to know is has she reached her potential? Just as Michelle Kwan reached hers with 7-triple programs, including a 3T/3T combo., Irina Slutskaya ditto but with two 3/3 combos. (i.e. 3L/3R & 3S/3R), and also ditto with Sarah Hughes with two 3/3 combos. (i.e. 3T/3R & 3S/3R), and might as well add Tara Lipinski with one 3/3 combo. + one 3/3 sequence.
Is Yuna maxed out technically? Thanks for your answers in advance (and if you wish to ask me about any of my all-time favorites, I'll respond in kind).
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2007.11.24 Cup of Russia - LP(miss saigon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqVUnm08LE8
3F-3T
3Lo
3Lz-2T
2A-3T
3Lz
3S
2A
Thanks, Eric, for the reply. ^)
Yes, I see she did a 7-triple program with one 3/3 combo. to boot, as well as having all 5 triples included, pretty impressive (with only the second 3L being underrotated). Did she ever do a 7-triple program again? or have two 3/3 combos. in a program? Or is that one the hardest one she has ever done in terms of technical difficulty?
From looking at my stats booklet, I see Mao has done two 7-triple programs thus far in her senior career, though both times she left out the 3S. Once at 2007 Worlds with one 3/3 combo. (steps into 3A, 2A/3T(ur), 3F/3R combo., 2A, 3L, 3F, 3L/2R/2R at end of program). And at 2008 4CC with two 3/3 combos. (3A best one ever perfect!, 3F/3T(ur), 3L, 3R, 3F/3R(ur), glide into 2A/2R/2R, end of program 2A).
Btw, from the same notebook of mine, I have Sarah Hughes tied with Michelle Kwan as both doing 11 3/3 combos. in their respective careers, as follows:
Sarah Hughes -- 1999 US Nationals (3R/3R), 2000 US Nationals (3S/3R), 2000 Skate America (3S/3R), 2000 GPF (3R/3R, 3S/3R), 2001 Worlds (3S/3R; 7 triples to boot!!!!), 2001 Skate America (3S/3R), 2001 Skate Canada (3S/3R), 2001 GFP (3S/3R; 7 triples to boot!!), 2002 US Nationals (no 3/3s, but completed 7 triples in total!), 2002 Olympics (3S/3R, 3T/3R; 7 triples to boot, best performance ever by her, including 2 3/3 combos.!!!!)
Michelle Kwan -- 1995 Skate America, 1996 US Nationals, 1997 GPF, 1997 Worlds, 1999 US Nationals, 1999 Skate America, 2000 Worlds, 2001 GPF, 2001 Worlds Qualifying Round, 2001 Worlds, 2002 Worlds Qualifying Round.
Interesting night of stats, lol, pouring through my old notebooks.^D
^)Yes, I see she did a 7-triple program with one 3/3 combo. to boot, as well as having all 5 triples included, pretty impressive (with only the second 3L being underrotated). Did she ever do a 7-triple program again? or have two 3/3 combos. in a program? Or is that one the hardest one she has ever done in terms of technical difficulty?
From looking at my stats booklet, I see Mao has done two 7-triple programs thus far in her senior career, though both times she left out the 3S. Once at 2007 Worlds with one 3/3 combo. (steps into 3A, 2A/3T(ur), 3F/3R combo., 2A, 3L, 3F, 3L/2R/2R at end of program). And at 2008 4CC with two 3/3 combos. (3A best one ever perfect!, 3F/3T(ur), 3L, 3R, 3F/3R(ur), glide into 2A/2R/2R, end of program 2A).
Btw, from the same notebook of mine, I have Sarah Hughes tied with Michelle Kwan as both doing 11 3/3 combos. in their respective careers, as follows:
Sarah Hughes -- 1999 US Nationals (3R/3R), 2000 US Nationals (3S/3R), 2000 Skate America (3S/3R), 2000 GPF (3R/3R, 3S/3R), 2001 Worlds (3S/3R; 7 triples to boot!!!!), 2001 Skate America (3S/3R), 2001 Skate Canada (3S/3R), 2001 GFP (3S/3R; 7 triples to boot!!), 2002 US Nationals (no 3/3s, but completed 7 triples in total!), 2002 Olympics (3S/3R, 3T/3R; 7 triples to boot, best performance ever by her, including 2 3/3 combos.!!!!)
Michelle Kwan -- 1995 Skate America, 1996 US Nationals, 1997 GPF, 1997 Worlds, 1999 US Nationals, 1999 Skate America, 2000 Worlds, 2001 GPF, 2001 Worlds Qualifying Round, 2001 Worlds, 2002 Worlds Qualifying Round.
Interesting night of stats, lol, pouring through my old notebooks.
^D
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2007.11.09 Cup of China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUbSgPsyNGQ
I prefer this first performance(not clean) to COR's. ^^
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Technical Difficulties
This is what Yuna did in her LP in Vancouver.
3Lz+3T, 3F, 2A+2T+2Lo, 2A+3T, 3S, 3Lz, 2A
11 perfect, flawless jumps in TOTAL.
The only person that can come close is Mao Asada...NOBODY ELSE.
That is in technical difficulty.(maybe Ito if she tried)
If we're talking about Quality...
Slutzkaya is the one that comes close to Yuna's magnificent speedy DELAYED JUMPS.
This is what Yuna did in her LP in Vancouver.
3Lz+3T, 3F, 2A+2T+2Lo, 2A+3T, 3S, 3Lz, 2A
11 perfect, flawless jumps in TOTAL.
The only person that can come close is Mao Asada...NOBODY ELSE.
That is in technical difficulty.(maybe Ito if she tried)
If we're talking about Quality...
Slutzkaya is the one that comes close to Yuna's magnificent speedy DELAYED JUMPS.
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In terms of both technical difficulty and quality, no female skater can match Ito Midori.
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Yes...I forgot about Ito...Her 3Axel is better than average men.
I think Yu-na's hard to crack. She's been dealing with injury for so long that it's difficult to meaure her potential. Only in 2008-09 and 09-10 was she injury-free (and we all know what happened then) and during that time, leading up to 09 Worlds and the Olympics, she wanted to increase her chances of clean programs, i.e. victory (hence, she dropped her 3Lo right after 09 4CC). I've always wanted her to do two 3/3 combos (love her 3Lz-3T, 3F-3T, both some of the best I've ever seen), but that would require that she do the 3Lo (hence she sticks with 2A-3T). With the new rules in place (two 2A limit), I'd expect she'd bring back the 3Lo. Her 3Lo is not her best jump by any means (her strength is in her impressive toe pick jumps), but I think her technique is reasonably good. She has a mental block (she said she doesn't like the jump, also in her 05 JW SP she had a huge fall on it, never had problems up till then), but she will have to overcome it. Also, she and Brian were very strategic with her jump layout. She got almost as many points for a 2A+GOE as she could have with a 3Lo with less GOE. Her consistency for the 2A's higher. Go figure.
07 COR was her only 7-triple program in the senior ranks. I think measuring technical difficulty on solely one's number of triples is antediluvian (given the new focus on transitions, larger, higher jumps and all), but yes I can't deny that I also want her to go for 7-triples, all 5 types (I'm a little ancient myself
) She's definitely capable of the feat. She should go for it.Whether Yu-na could do a 3A is a whole different matter. Yu-na fans debate over this all the time, but the only definite thing is that Yu-na doesn't want to do it. Trying to master it hurt her already delicate body (pelvic injuries) & I couldnt' care less as long as she stays healthy.
I think her ideal, technically-"tapped" layout would be
3Lz-3T
3F-3T
3Lz
3S
3Lo
2A-2T-2Lo
2A
I love your little notebook. Great stats. I just put together these stats for Yu-na's 3-3:
06 SC SP & LP, 06 TEB SP & LP, 06 GPF SP&LP, 07 Worlds SP & LP, 07 COC LP, 07 COR SP & LP, 07 GPF LP, 08 Worlds LP, 08 SA SP & LP, 08 COC SP & LP, 08 GPF SP & LP, 09 4CC SP & LP, 09 Worlds SP & LP, 09 TEB SP & LP, 09 SA SP & LP, 09 GPF SP, Vancouver Olympics SP & LP.
That's thirty 3-3s in her senior career. Two URed (09 SA LP & 09 GPF SP, that's 28 then). I can't remember her edge calls. I think she had edge calls for 08 COC SP & 09 4CC SP. Attentions for 08 COC SP & 09 Worlds SP.
Well, well, what a super duper uber Yuna fan I am
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Technical difficulty does not only mean difficult jumps...3A, 3Lz, 3F...but also how many jumps a skater can execute in a given time...4 minutes.
If you're a skater, you know how difficult it is...to execute 11 jumps...especially toward the end of long program.
If you're a skater, you know how difficult it is...to execute 11 jumps...especially toward the end of long program.
I do hope we start such a thread...not that I would have anything to contribute, but I'd learn so much. It's nice to see that Michelle Kwan stays near the top of the heap, and Midori Ito. Kwan's 2001 "Black Swan" program is one of my favorites artistically, and it's wonderful to know that it's technically one of her most demanding and successful programs. Ito is just such a delight: a gentle, musical soul with the power of Elvis Stojko. She and Yamaguchi gave skating such excitement and quality. And remember that Kristi did a triple-triple in the '92 Olympics, as well as maintaining her skills throughout a pro career.
Thank you all for the info., I have now added it to my book of stats.
And, yes, most definitely start a different thread as regards technical difficulty if that is your wish. I will try to add info. as I see fit.
Of course I cannot leave this thread without mentioning America's Tonya Harding, whom imho was/is the best female in f.s. history when it comes to technical difficulty/correct technique/height/power/speed of jumps, and skating style. She's better than ALL of them imho ~ Slutskaya, Ito, et al ~ when she was on nobody could touch her. Fast, powerful, superb spinner, and her jumps speak for themselves.
And, yes, most definitely start a different thread as regards technical difficulty if that is your wish. I will try to add info. as I see fit.
Of course I cannot leave this thread without mentioning America's Tonya Harding, whom imho was/is the best female in f.s. history when it comes to technical difficulty/correct technique/height/power/speed of jumps, and skating style. She's better than ALL of them imho ~ Slutskaya, Ito, et al ~ when she was on nobody could touch her. Fast, powerful, superb spinner, and her jumps speak for themselves.
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It was probably the hardest clean 7-triple program she's done on paper (i.e. as far as elements planned), but I am not sure if it was her most difficult program in whole (considering choreography, transitions, nuances/attention to detail, etc.) Regardless, it's legit in that YuNa did not receive any underrotation/edge calls (as you say, her second 3Lz may have been borderline, causing 1-2 judges to give it a negative GOE, but there was no call from the Tech specialist.)
...contrast my above criteria for "legit": Mao's 2008 4CC LP received an edge call ("e") on her 3Lz and underrotation on 3T, and an underrotated 3T on her 2007 World's LP. Sarah Hughes was also a frequent flutzer.
I consider the edge issue more critical than an underrotation: It'd be like letting YuNa do two 3-3's (3Lz-3T + 3F-3T) + 3S + 3Lz + a solo 3Lz/3F/3T but calling that last jump a 3Lo. That's essentially what skaters are doing (were doing under 6.0) when they do not violate the Zayak rule on paper but the execution of their jump is off the wrong edge, thereby repeating a jump that's already been maxed out at two (i.e. two 3F's + one 3Lz off the wrong edge is actually three 3F's.)
Bad.
It's not that all those programs aren't still impressive (including YuNa's hypothetical program, which if allowed and attempted a number of times, I believe she could arguably have done cleanly), it's just...incorrect to count them.
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