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Yes I'm very pissed Javi only won a bronze while Hanyu has two golds with two forgettable performances. The Sochi one was particularly lucky and incredulous.
Yuzuru Hanyu Will Compete With His 2017-18 SP & FS At 4CC
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Yes I'm very pissed Javi only won a bronze while Hanyu has two golds with two forgettable performances. The Sochi one was particularly lucky and incredulous.
Well too bad your faves don't have such great luck and ability to deliver.
Fernandez would've gotten a bronze if he didn't Zayak himself off the podium in 2014, and he should've gotten silver in 2018.
I don't think that he has achieved what he wanted to achieve going back to this FS choreo. I think that's good, he has to realize that the programs weren't the problem. He's a bit like Trusova, both want to have the best tricks and the comfort, that one ore two mistakes won't make a difference. Well, their problem is, that at the moment, they have to go clean in order to win against their top competitors. I think that's good, I love clean performances.
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I feel like Yuzu's having trouble with the Free skates...the loss of 30 seconds seems to be throwing him off his game.
Although I'm a bit surprised he's getting so much flack over reusing programs. I mean...Sui and Han are reusing theirs, and others too.
It takes a lot to learn and perfect a new program, especially with injuries and whatnot.
I hope he can do his very best at Worlds, Nathan and Yuzu skating their very, very best in the same competition would be mind-blowing!
Although I'm a bit surprised he's getting so much flack over reusing programs. I mean...Sui and Han are reusing theirs, and others too.
It takes a lot to learn and perfect a new program, especially with injuries and whatnot.
I hope he can do his very best at Worlds, Nathan and Yuzu skating their very, very best in the same competition would be mind-blowing!
Ashley Wagner did, when she chose to skate to Moulin Rouge a third season. Brian Joubert did, when he skated to Matrix countless times, but at least he usually tried to skate to a new program in the beginning of the season (if I remember correctly).
I think repeating one program isn't that much frowned upon, repeating both programs maybe a bit more. But using a program for a third and even a fourth season is another story.
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If not mistaken, Michelle Kwan skated "East of Eden" 5 times.
For Yuzuru's this season's repeats, the music is the same but the layout changes every one or 2 competitions.
From having 4Loop, 4T+3A last season to
4T+1eu+3S or 3F, 3A+3T,3A+2T this season. To adding 4Lutz to make it 5 quads, trying 3A+3A. To putting 2 4T combos in 2nd half.
So depends how you look at it, for me, every competition is different cos we are not sure which jump layout Yuzuru is using. Cant catch up with the all the changes.
And back then, the technical content was not as difficult, yet those other skaters still repeated.
I actually think it would be interesting to see if he could benefit from new cut of Seimei at Worlds. Because here what we saw was a two week preparation since he had to cut the music and arrange it multiple times. Knowing him I wouldn't be surprised if he would try and make new changes in it before Worlds. That's very risky. He needs to build muscle memory for a smooth performance. I'd say it's a huge quest.
I was just trying to say that Ashley Wagner and Brian Joubert were as much criticised, so it's not just Yuzuru. Probably every skater, who repeats a program for more than one season, will get lots of criticism for that.
I don't know about Michelle Kwan, though.
We've already gone over this multiple times in this thread: It's not just reusing one or even two programs for another season. He was already repeating both SP and LP from last season, and now he's changed both programs to even older ones that have already been repeated 2 or 3 times. And then there's the fact that Otonal and Origin themselves weren't that different from Chopin and Seimei to begin with.
(his Seimei program has super cool music though, so that's certainly a big plus for me, compared to Origin
)I'm also not buying his reasoning, that Origin and Otonal were not working for him.
He skated those programs several times over the last season, and used them for a big portion of this season too. That's about 9 outings I think? And he's had two summers preparing and working on those programs. And only now did he arrive at the conclusion, that they're supposedly not working for him and he's not feeling 'himself' when skating them? Maybe he made himself believe that, but it doesn't really make sense to me.I wonder what his verdict is, now that he's competed at 4CC. Did he achieve whatever he was looking for by skating those two programs? Especially with Seimei, which wasn't clean and turned out even less successful than Origin I think. Is he still confident that with some additional time to get accustomed to the new layout, it will ultimately work better than Origin? Did it still boost his confidence, regardless of the result?
I haven't seen any press or quotes yet, so I don't know.
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Well that was a pretty good performance of SEIMEI considering the changes that have been made and that he only trained with it for two weeks c: He also talked about a big hole in the ice (he could see the ground beneath) that spooked him and made him very hesitant going into the lutz. So all things considered a goo douting (a bit like his outings at ACI or first GP usually are for him).
Ballade No.1 was brilliant, of course.
I would say he did the right thing switching. Especially when you hear him talk about it and how much lighter and happier he sounds. Actually just watching his face in both programs is completely different from Otoñal and Origin. He seems so at peace with the performance in Ballade and in SEIMEI he exudes joy (especially going into that choreo sequence). It seems like he was struggling with skating alongside the ideals he holds for figure skating and the way the judging urged him to. That's what he's talking about when he says he wants to skate for himself, he wants to skate according to what he sees the pinnacle of the sport as. At least that's how i understand it from his interviews. I hope he continues to build and grow from here!
He also said this today which should make people understand his perspective on recycling a bit more: https://twitter.com/axelsandwich/status/1226456267406880770
It's performance art for him and he aims to treat it as such.
Ballade No.1 was brilliant, of course.
I would say he did the right thing switching. Especially when you hear him talk about it and how much lighter and happier he sounds. Actually just watching his face in both programs is completely different from Otoñal and Origin. He seems so at peace with the performance in Ballade and in SEIMEI he exudes joy (especially going into that choreo sequence). It seems like he was struggling with skating alongside the ideals he holds for figure skating and the way the judging urged him to. That's what he's talking about when he says he wants to skate for himself, he wants to skate according to what he sees the pinnacle of the sport as. At least that's how i understand it from his interviews. I hope he continues to build and grow from here!
He also said this today which should make people understand his perspective on recycling a bit more: https://twitter.com/axelsandwich/status/1226456267406880770
It's performance art for him and he aims to treat it as such.
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Yuzuru Hanyu Will Compete With His 2017-18 SP & FS At 4CC
The problem is he’s recycled a program that he’s done really well in the past. And this performance was not that good so I think it hurts because I think people expect what they have seen in the past and the judges are people
You can’t stop people from looking at a performance and thinking “he can do that a lot better” and that hurting him When it comes to scoring
The problem is he’s recycled a program that he’s done really well in the past. And this performance was not that good so I think it hurts because I think people expect what they have seen in the past and the judges are people
You can’t stop people from looking at a performance and thinking “he can do that a lot better” and that hurting him When it comes to scoring
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Here’s what I still don’t understand, if origin and otonal were so heavy and hard for him why did he choose to repeat at all?? The reason the Hanyu fans gave at the start of the season was because he never perfected them last year and only did them part of the season. Which never made a lot of sense because origin broke the world record and he did at least get to go to worlds with them. Seimei is a iconic amazing program but bringing it back time after time it loses some of the magic. It’s like if Christmas was once a month instead of once a year. Last night it really did seem kind of whatever, which I never would have imagined thinking back in 2015 when we first seen it.
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actually, as a very wise person mentioned somewhere else : one of the issues is that he is recycling two programs that were already recycled (ottonal and origin) ... at this point, if choreography and music are no longer important, perhaps we should have moves and the field and jumps/spins competition... give everyone 2-3 minutes to do whatever they want and then judge... a bit like gymnastics 
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Agree. His SP the other night would have been magical had this been the first or even the second season that we saw this program, but at this point its overstayed its welcome. My only interest in watching either of these programs now is to see if he tries the quad axel, outside of that I don't care about seeing him step on the ice with these programs yet again
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1111bm;2574083 I wonder what his verdict is said:
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