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I love the new direction of the debate! When Kwan ubers should be more aptly debating between themselves, they like to rebut the rebuttals of the YuNa fans. For example:
Meanwhile, a YuNa fan is arguing with a YuNa fan (jatale against Moment), because...??? LOL
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It's as if somehow Kim's accomplishments would be made to sound stronger had she won Silver in Vancouver and Asada had won Gold. "But like, Kim competed against Olympic gold medalist Asada!" - no, it doesn't work like that.
In fact, the 2006 Olympic ladies podium composed of Kwan's rivals Arakawa, Cohen and Slutskaya, was one of the most underwhelming ladies' Olympics competitions of the modern age. The field was skating much stronger in 2010, where Kim won.
Maybe you should be telling Kwanford Wife this, when she calls YuNa's competitors "such headcases"!To say that the competition fell down more and that's why Sasha won is begging the issue. People can only skate against the skaters who show up that day.
[YuNa] is the great jumper but she didn't move people.
Don't know why you feel like replying to Moment when he was only protesting skateluvr's sweeping generalization!And so does Michelle. Don't really know why you feel like either of us have to give anything up.
Meanwhile, a YuNa fan is arguing with a YuNa fan (jatale against Moment), because...??? LOL
I think you should have said "Yuna does not move ME", a very acceptable declaration. However to claim she doesn't move a "lot of people" is presumptuous and depends on what "a lot" means.
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Yesss. Sneaky sneaking Kostner slipping past Kwan to land on the podium in 2005. I agree with pangtongfan in that it was actually Kostner who was undermarked in the SP, so to say that Kwan was "held back", well, Kostner was "held back" even more. And Kim finished ahead of Ando how many times?Michelle competed against Kostner and Ando. Kostner snuck in ahead of her in 2005 when Michelle was injured and held back by questionable scoring on the short program. Michelle finished ahead of Ando in 2004.
Slutskaya was a great competitor, for sure. And Cohen was, at the least, an incredible Short Program skater. Kwan was very clutch in that she could pull out perfect (or at least clean) performances when she really, really needed them to win. You cited versus Lu Chen in 1996 as an example - I agree. Countless US Nationals aside, she also pulled out a clean 1998 Olympics only to be bested by an also-clean, but technically more difficult Lipinski. (I agree with pangtongfan in that Lipinski was the steeliest competitor.)I think Slute as a competitor (and with the Russian federation behind her all the way) was far superior to Asada. It isn't always the skills per se that make a winner.
I disagree with this reasoning completely. First of all, Kwan did not compete against them while they were Olympic gold medalists. All of those won their Olympic golds while Kwan was still competing (or in the case of Arakawa, not officially retired.) That means that Kwan gave up her chance at gold to them and it actually weakens her record.Michelle in her time competed against three Olympic gold medalists, Lipinski, Arakawa and Hughes and more than held her own.
It's as if somehow Kim's accomplishments would be made to sound stronger had she won Silver in Vancouver and Asada had won Gold. "But like, Kim competed against Olympic gold medalist Asada!" - no, it doesn't work like that.
In fact, the 2006 Olympic ladies podium composed of Kwan's rivals Arakawa, Cohen and Slutskaya, was one of the most underwhelming ladies' Olympics competitions of the modern age. The field was skating much stronger in 2010, where Kim won.