Highest scores & analysis - Men

satine · Aug 18, 2014

In the thread for the ladies, we were posting some general rankings of the ladies' scores & we decided to move onto the men

I'm sure FSGMT will chime in with the highest-ever total scores, but for now I have the highest BV for the lads :biggrin:

You can also click for the links.

boring protocols I checked-
2008-2014 4CC
2010-2013 cup of china
2010-2013 cup of russia
2008-2014 euro champs
2010-2013 finlanda trophy
2008-2013 gpf
2009, 2013 nebelhorn trophy
2010-2013 nhk trophy
2013 nrw trophy
2010, 2014 olympics
2014 olympic team event
2010-2013 skate america
2010-2013 skate canada
2010-2013 trophee eric bompard
2012-2013 world team trophy
2008-2014 worlds

Highest BV in SP:
10. Brian Joubert 43.70 2009 Worlds AND Tomas Verner 43.70 2009 Worlds
9. Yuzuru Hanyu 43.76 2012 NHK & 2013 TEB
8. Yuzuru Hanyu 43.86 2013 GPF
7. Kevin Reynolds 43.90 2010 4CC
6. Yuzuru Hanyu 43.96 2014 Olympics
5. Evgeni Plushenko 44.10 2010 Olympics
4. Kevin Reynolds 44.90 2010 SC
3. Maxim Kovtun 45.35 2013 COR
2. Maxim Kovtun 45.75 2013 COC
1. Kevin Reynolds 46.90 2013 Worlds

Highest BV in FS:
10. Javier Fernandex 85.26 2013 Euros
9. Richard Dornbush 85.33 2012 Finlandia
8. Kevin Reynolds 85.52 2013 WTT
7. Yuzuru Hanyu 85.94 2013 Finlandia
6. Kevin Reynolds 85.99 2013 4CC
5. Max Aaron 86.47 2013 4CC
4. Javier Fernandez 86.48 2012 GPF
3. Yuzuru Hanyu 88.52 2013 GPF
2. Yuzuru Hanyu 90.12 2014 Worlds
1. Max Aaron 91.51 2013 SA

:popcorn:

Ophelia · Aug 18, 2014

Yuzuru will probably take over half of both lists by the by the time 2018 rolls around.

Meoima · Aug 18, 2014

Thank you very much. I am not surprised that PChan is not on the top 10. Then what about highest scores in both FS, SP, GOE, PCS and TES? (I bet PChan is on top in both GOE and PCS).

satine · Aug 18, 2014

Well actually...

Meoima said:
Thank you very much. I am not surprised that PChan is not on the top 10. Then what about highest scores in both FS, SP, GOE, PCS and TES? (I bet PChan is on top in both GOE and PCS).

Li'Kitsu brought up GOE, so I decided to go through the same protocols as listed above ^ and rank those too

I made sure to double-check the math on these, so I'm sure the numbers are right. This was harder since I had to calculate as opposed to the BV which is simply listed on the protocols.

if it's confusing to read: Skatername GOEgiven originalBV->TEStotal ISUevent.

Highest GOE received in SP:
10. Yuzuru Hanyu 9.27 43.76->53.03 2012 NHK
9. Daisuke Takahashi 9.54 36.60->46.14 2011 NHK
8. Patrick Chan 9.60 43.10->52.70 2013 Worlds
7. Patrick Chan 9.64 42.70->52.34 2013 TEB
6. Patrick Chan 9.90 40.40->50.30 2009 4CC
5. Patrick Chan 10.08 41.40->51.48 2011 Worlds
4. Daisuke Takahashi 10.44 38.30->48.74 2008 4CC
3. Tatsuki Machida 10.62 42.20->52.82 2014 Worlds
2. Yuzuru Hanyu 10.66 43.86->54.52 2013 GPF
1. Yuzuru Hanyu 10.88 43.96->54.84 2014 Olympics

Highest GOE received in FS:
10. Patrick Chan 13.50 66.69->80.19 2009 4CC
9. Yuzuru Hanyu 13.51 88.52->102.03 2013 GPF
8. Patrick Chan 13.61 82.83->96.44 2011 Worlds
7. Patrick Chan 14.29 81.54->95.83 2012 4CC
6. Patrick Chan 14.45 74.11->88.56 2012 Worlds
5. Denis Ten 14.53 73.23->87.76 2013 Worlds
4. Nobunari Oda 15.54 76.54->92.08 2013 NHN (I forget Nebelhorn's abbreviation :laugh:

)
3. Patrick Chan 16.76 80.37->97.13 2013 GPF
2. Takahiko Kozuka 16.99 81.54->98.53 2011 Worlds
1. Patrick Chan 17.48 100.25->82.77 2013 TEB

Meoima · Aug 18, 2014

Thank you very much. I am not surprised much about the GOE for PChan, since I did it a few times.

now I will wait for the PCS and TES ranking. I am sure PChan wins this round as well.

satine · Aug 18, 2014

Meoima said:
Thank you very much. I am not surprised much about the GOE for PChan, since I did it a few times. now I will wait for the PCS and TES ranking. I am sure PChan wins this round as well.

I'm eager to find out too. I'll go through for PCS & TES later tonight :yes:

FSGMT · Aug 18, 2014

Interesting to see such "minor" skaters leading the rankings :eek:

I'll compile my rankings as soon as possible

Meoima · Aug 18, 2014

FSGMT said:
Interesting to see such "minor" skaters leading the rankings I'll compile my rankings as soon as possible

In term of BV, yes. The skaters in the group below top the ranking. But in term of GOE, all the skaters who medaled at Worlds and Olympic top the ranking. I am sure PChan will win the PCS round, too.

satine · Aug 18, 2014

FSGMT said:
Interesting to see such "minor" skaters leading the rankings I'll compile my rankings as soon as possible

Yes, of course skaters like Yuzu could have higher listed BV. The problem is they don't execute it, only plan for it. They have to manage to pull off the heavy technical content, otherwise it is mostly in vain.

Violet Bliss · Aug 18, 2014

FSGMT said:
Interesting to see such "minor" skaters leading the rankings I'll compile my rankings as soon as possible

BV only indicates intentions on paper which does not equal executions on ice in most cases. Planned elements have to be executed before any GOE can even be expected. Downgrades happen on the ice - underrotation, wrong edge, popping and complete miss on jumps, messed up spins, stumbles on Step Sequence, etc all devalue the BV. Values of executed elements plus GOE make up TES. TES plus PCS make up the Total Scores.

Generally, skaters who plan on multiple quads have the highest BV and Quads are high risk elements. Only consistent quad jumpers can count on their high BV being translated into high TES.

Meoima · Aug 18, 2014

SkateFiguring said:
BV only indicates intentions on paper which does not equal executions on ice in most cases. Planned elements have to be executed before any GOE can even be expected. Downgrades happen on the ice - underrotation, wrong edge, popping and complete miss on jumps, messed up spins, stumbles on Step Sequence, etc all devalue the BV. Values of executed elements plus GOE make up TES. TES plus PCS make up the Total Scores.

Generally, skaters who plan on multiple quads have the highest BV and Quads are high risk elements. Only consistent quad jumpers can count on their high BV being translated into high TES.

Yes, that's why we see the big daddies of GOE are all the medalists.

Violet Bliss · Aug 18, 2014

Meoima said:
Yes, that's why we see the big daddies of GOE are all the medalists.

GOE points are probably a better indication of the eventual TES because GOE values are proportionate to the elements' BV. Thus high total GOE indicates successful executions of high value elements.

Still, high BV without high PCS will not win competitions. High PCS is also more dependable than high BV because the latter involves high risks.

Meoima · Aug 18, 2014

SkateFiguring said:
Still, high BV without high PCS will not win competitions. High PCS is also more dependable than high BV because the latter involves high risks.

I am sure PChan is the big daddy of PCS. No contest at all.

in term of TES maybe Hanyu.

HanDomi · Aug 18, 2014

Meoima said:
I am sure PChan is the big daddy of PCS. No contest at all. in term of TES maybe Hanyu.

Hanyu has the highest TES ever, and Chan have the highest PCS ever :biggrin:

Counting of course international competitions

Violet Bliss · Aug 18, 2014

I need to correct myself if the BV listed above are as per protocol as I think they are. Then they are the earned BV rather than planned BV.

makaihime · Aug 18, 2014

HanDomi said:
Hanyu has the highest TES ever, and Chan have the highest PCS ever

If anyone deserved to hold the highest PCS title, its PChan :yes: I hope Hanyu gains a bit of consistency this season so he can beat his current record and go for that elusive 300 :yay:

satine · Aug 18, 2014

SkateFiguring said:
I need to correct myself if the BV listed above are as per protocol as I think they are. Then they are the earned BV rather than planned BV.

Yes, it's the earned/executed BV, not the planned :yes:

unico · Aug 18, 2014

If Hanyu had landed the 4S with +1 GOE at the 2013 GPF, he would have just narrowly beaten Chan for first place in FS GOE (13.51+4=17.51). Tough ask, though :laugh:

He'll probably get that number one sooner or later anyway.

Pleasantly surprised to see Oda in 4th! He's such an early season skater, but his performance at the GPF wasn't terrible (it would have been enough to earn him bronze at Sochi

but let's not mention that nationals). His technical skills are so magnificent.

satine · Aug 19, 2014

I never want to see another scoresheet again :sarcasm: Yet there are still a lot of rankings for the women to do-

Highest TES in SP:
(I know a few users like seeing Javi on here, and he was just off of this list in 12th place!)
10. Yuzuru Hanyu 51.71 2012 SA
9. Maxim Kovtun 51.78 2013 COR
8. Patrick Chan 52.34 2013 TEB
7. Yuzuru Hanyu 52.55 2014 Olympic TE
6. Patrick Chan 52.70 2013 Worlds
5. Yuzuru Hanyu 52.72 2013 TEB
4. Tatsuki Machida 52.82 2014 Worlds
3. Yuzuru Hanyu 53.03 2012 NHK
2. Yuzuru Hanyu 54.52 2013 GPF
1. Yuzuru Hanyu 54.84 2014 Olympics
note: Yuzu must be stopped :laugh:

Highest TES in FS:
10 Daisuke Takahashi 93.98 2008 4CC
9. Patrick Chan 95.83 2012 4CC
8. Javier Fernandez 95.93 2012 GPF
7. Patrick Chan 96.44 2011 Worlds
6. Javier Fernandez 96.65 2013 Euros
5. Patrick Chan 97.13 2013 GPF
4. Takahiko Kozuka 98.53 2011 Worlds
3. Yuzuru Hanyu 99.93 2014 Worlds
2. Patrick Chan 100.25 2013 TEB
1. Yuzuru Hanyu 102.03 2013 GPF

Meoima · Aug 19, 2014

Oh my Javi! :eek:

this is a big surprise! :eek:

Thank you very much! Yuzuru's short program is indeed crazy! Just image his stamina problem is solved and he can perform his long like he did with his short...

the score will be crazy for him in the long.

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