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I've seen how good loop jumps are done, try harder.
Show me a good 3-3loop combo, then.
I've seen how good loop jumps are done, try harder.
Show me a good 3-3loop combo, then.
Let's see, shall we? I know that many Japanese tune into figure skating because they want to cheer her on as she tries.
Show me a good 3-3loop combo, then.
Still. wouldn't it be cool if she did something like 3A, 3F+2Lo, 3Lo, 2A+3T, 3S, 3F+2Lo+2Lo, 2A, all with complete rotations and secure flowing exit edges, with all level four spins and step sequences, and a row of solid 9's across the board? That would be an Olympic gold medal performance, showing mastery of the complete figure skating vocabulary (minus the Lutz). But no, the CoP gives more points to a hot mess.
If Mao weren't one of the finest skaters in the history of the sport, it wouldn't matter. But she is. It breaks my heart that the scoring system does not allow her to skate up to her talent.
Still. wouldn't it be cool if she did something like 3A, 3F+2Lo, 3Lo, 2A+3T, 3S, 3F+2Lo+2Lo, 2A, all with complete rotations and secure flowing exit edges, with all level four spins and step sequences, and a row of solid 9's across the board?
Mishin praised his student saying Liza was the strongest of all skaters, even stronger than Asada.
The term splatfest came WELL before the CoP - as long as I've been on message boards (1999) that has been in skating fandom vocabulary. So it really doesn't seem like this is some new phenomena. Michael Weiss won his last US National Title as being the last man who could barely stand. That was the same competition that Weir went up in a jump and landed with his legs going separate ways and his face stopped him from traveling down the ice. Weiss was two footing quads in that era to the point where people were griping that two footing anything was just as bad as a fall and they wished that the judges would hit him harder for it. And they did, after the CoP was introduced.On the other point, I do not agree that figure skating is by its nature a boring sport. It is as thrilling as sports that are much more popular. But only when the programs are well skated.
Everyone was over scored. Mao, Ashley, Rodinova, the russian pair.... this is Olympic season. Everyone PCS jumps by several points. If Mao got over 9.+ in PCS with flawed program, can we debate the same thing that happens to other skaters like Chan, Takahashi?? I thinking the judges are setting up for another massive inflation in points like last Olympic.
Everyone was over scored. Mao, Ashley, Rodinova, the russian pair.... this is Olympic season. Everyone PCS jumps by several points. If Mao got over 9.+ in PCS with flawed program, can we debate the same thing that happens to other skaters like Chan, Takahashi?? I thinking the judges are setting up for another massive inflation in points like last Olympic.
I completely agree, she was my favourite yesterday night... Her FS was so and mature, I absolutely loved everything about it: the jumps, the choreography, the interpretation, the spins, the steps, a lot more than Liza/Elena for me for example... She just needs a bit of reputation I think, and then her scores could go really high! I hope she'll be among the 2018 contenders!!sorry if I might have missed somthing earlier in this thread , but , to me Samantha Cesario was the star of the night especially on PCS! She seemed so into her program and her jumps were very solid and nice and high and the program held my attention compared to the blah top 5. Maybe posters didnt mention her much because if they watched NBC only, they didnt even see Samantha? Just curious as to what everybody else thought of her LP and does she have another Grand Prix assignent?
My overall impressions of the Ladies at Skate America:
This is the aspect of CoP-think that I object to:
Back in the day, coaches told their students that they needed to achieve a 90% success rate in practice before they were allowed to include an element in their programs. If you can’t land your double Salchow nine out of ten times, then you don’t “have” that skill yet. You owe it to the audience to skate the best program you are capable of, and this means stay on your feet. If you want to push the envelope, great, push away. I’ll tell you when you are competition ready.
Now, the strategy is not “can I really do this trick” but “how many points do I get?”
In the men’s LP every competitor except Brown tried a quad. Two were successful – Machida’s first and Gachinski’s. (Aaron’s second 4S was OK.) This is at most three successes out of ten for the field as a whole. I’m sorry, but these guys do not “have” a quad.
So why do they do it? Majorov got 6.30 points (after fall deduction) for falling on a quad. Takahashi got 8.30 points for a terrible quad. Rippon got 6.60 points for falling on an under-rotated quad Lutz. Aaron got 14.80 for his first two failed quads, including a fall. Machida Zayaked on his second quad (no combination) but still got 8.10 points.
Knowledgeable people posting on figure skating message boards cheer – look at all those quad attempts, men’s figure skating is “progressong.” The television audience (the who?) switches channels.
Thank you so much for posting this (Page 28). So detailed. Are you involved in skating in some capacity or just a die-hard fan?