2022-23 Cup of Russia - Stage 2 - Sochi

[Jontor]

Catching up with the women

Fedyanina was on fire! Her jumps are so huge. This girl scored around 135 last year, what a great skate!!

Morozova was disappointing. She can better, and she needs to be much better than this for any chance at Nationals.

Samodelkina - what a skate!! Seems the 3A is not there yet, but the rest was amazing. But what a risky program leaving all those super hard combos till the end. That gamble can easily backfire and you lose 20-30 points...
(Is she BFF with Sasha now when they have the same coach?)

Zakharova - a bit disappointing, but she's fun to watch. Should set up herself good for advancement to Nationals.

Yametova - omg, the energy and speed this little girl has is amazing. Surely she must have the hearts of all the Russian people by now, she sure has mine. Won't probably be enough for a medal, but great stuff!!

Trusova - she seemed so out of form yesterday that I didn't expect any quads today. But she landed the 4Lz nicely in warm-up, but then in true Sasha style fell on it when it mattered. After speedy Yametova, it almost looked like she was walking on the ice. Surely this should be behind Veronika?? Hmmm...it isn't. Sasha did a Starr Andrews.

Petrosian - she was really going for it. I guess Team Tut don't expect less. After that shaky start this could have backfired, but it didn't. Adeliia seems to be superstrong this year. For now, I can easily see her podium at Nationals.

OK, off to see the Men.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Points after second stage

Russian (Junior) Nationals: 18 men, 18 women, 15 ice dance couples, 12 pairs
Russian (Junior) Grand Prix Final: 12 men, 12 women, 10 ice dance couples, 8 pairs

Seniors

Men

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Mark Kondratiuk	18	279.00
2	Dmitri Aliev	18	273.63
3	Gleb Lutfullin	16	258.40
4	Alexei Erokhov	16	241.05
5	Alexander Samarin	14	257.43
6	Petr Gumennik	14	236.63
7	Mikhail Kolyada	12	237.22
8	Andrei Anisimov	12	235.40
9	Artem Kovalev	10	226.53
10	Daniil Samsonov	10	222.35
11	Ivan Popov	8	195.15
12	Daniil Postarnakov	8	190.80
13	Stepan Tartygin	6	166.30
14	Maxim Varankin	6	156.80
15	Evgeni Zenkin	4	163.75
16	Egor Karnaukhov	4	144.65
17	Kirill Kelmanov	2 (2+0)	161.16
18	Ivan Sobolev	1	160.09

Women

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Sofia Zakharova	20 (10+10)	390.02
2	Kamila Valieva	18	244.66
3	Adeliia Petrosiian	18	239.31
4	Sofia Akatieva	16	236.68
5	Sofia Samodelkina	16	218.73
6	Alexandra Trusova	14	208.55
7	Anastasia Zinina	14	200.43
8	Veronika Yametova	12	204.96
9	Alina Gorbacheva	12	189.34
10	Valeria Shulskaya	8	187.50
11	Viktoria Fedyanina	8	180.13
12	Polina Sviridenko	6	168.75
13	Anastasia Morozova	6	166.69
14	Veronika Malysheva	4	163.70
15	Anastasia Khakhyrtdinova	4	146.93
16	Sofia Chaplygina	2	157.34
17	Margarita Kovaleva	2	133.31
18	Renata Gubasheva	1	153.11
19	Karima Askarova	1	126.46

Ice Dance

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Elizaveta Khudaiberdieva/Egor Bazin	18	210.98
2	Annabele Morozov/Devid Narizhny	18	199.57
3	Irina Khavronina/Dario Cirisano	16	190.87
4	Vasilisa Kaganovskaya/Valeri Angelopol	16	189.04
5	Yana Matveishina/Timofey Subbotin	14	135.05
6	Alisa Krainyukova/Semion Netsev	14	123.28
7	Elizaveta Kirillova/Mark Chegodaev	12	120.68
8	Alexandra Butorina/Nikita Sborik	12	102.19

Pairs

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Alexandra Boikova/Dmitri Kozlovski	18	228.36
2	Natalia Khabibullina/Ilya Knyazhuk	18	224.47
3	Evgenia Tarasova/Vladimir Morozov	16	221.07
4	Anastasia Mukhortova/Dmitri Evgeniev	16	217.27
5	Ekaterina Chikmareva/Matvei Yanchenkov	14	214.22
6	Daria Boyarintseva/Roman Pleshkov	14	207.27
7	Karina Akopova/Nikita Rakhmanin	12	198.09
8	Viktoria Vasilieva/Roman Zaporozhets	12	179.17
9	Ekaterina Geinish/Dmitri Chigirev	10	194.92
10	Agniia Svinitskaya/Vladimir Sled	10	134.80
11	Maiia Shegai/Igor Shamshurov	8	182.13

Juniors

Men

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Arseniy Fedotov	18	269.83
2	Lev Lazarev	18	257.20
3	Nikolay Ugozhaev	16	238.66
4	Nikolay Loginov	16	236.19
5	Eduard Karartynyan	14	231.60
6	Semion Soloviov	14	231.39
7	Timofey Stolyarenko	12	226.71
8	Kirill Sarnovskiy	12	214.34
9	Nikita Sarnovskiy	10	224.95
10	Kirill Andrusik	10	211.59
11	Makar Puzin	8	219.24
12	Arseniy Dimitriev	8	204.66
13	Danil Fedosimov	6 (2+4)	401.37
14	Dmitri Shelkovnikov	6	217.60
15	Nikita Sentsov	6 (0+6)	392.05
16	Nikita Malyutin	4	204.09
17	Timofey Shelkovnikov	3 (1+2)	392.08
18	Timofey Platonov	1 (0+1)	380.51

Women

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Veronika Zhilina	18	233.18
2	Sofia Titova	18	203.13
3	Anastasia Marasanova	16 (14+2)	359.02
4	Alisa Dvoeglazova	16	216.12
5	Lyubov Rubtsova	16	196.67
6	Agata Petrova	14	197.20
7	Lyudmila Fursova	12 (6+6)	352.29
8	Taisiya Shcherbinina	12	188.53
9	Viktoria Barakhtina	12	180.79
10	Dina Khusnutdinova	10	187.17
11	Lidiya Pleskacheva	10	180.40
12	Kira Trofimova	8	183.92
13	Viktoria Morozova	8	180.10
14	Irina Migalenya	4	179.97
15	Maria Agaeva	4	166.12
16	Anna Lyashenko	2	165.42
17	Alisa Shatohina	1 (1+0)	321.72
18	Eva Zubkova	1	171.22

Ice Dance

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Sofia Leontieva/Daniil Gorelkin	18	174.07
2	Anna Shcherbakova/Egor Goncharov	18	173.46
3	Valeria Kamaeva/Lev Sergeev	16 (8+8)	263.12
4	Alisa Ovsyankina/Matvei Samokhin	16	167.02
5	Vasilisa Grigorieva/Evgeni Artyushchenko	16	158.67
6	Yulia Churkina/Boris Frolov	14	146.21
7	Arina Gorshenina/Ilya Makarov	14	145.03
8	Elizaveta Khort/Gordei Chitipakhovyan	12 (6+6)	252.84
9	Aneta Kotsyubinskaya/Georgi Trubkin	12 (10+2)	250.13
10	Uliana Ermakova/Artem Krylov	12	135.69
11	Alexandra Shinkarenko/Vladislav Mikhailov	12	135.15
12	Anna Tomilova/Dmitri Shcherbakov	10	134.31
13	Polina Zharova/Ranel Ibatullin	4	124.83
14	Eva Plesovskikh/Mark Zheltyshev	4	120.72
15	Veronika Shulpina/Gleb Solovich	2	104.62
16	Anna Soboleva/Matvei Churakov	1	108.06
17	Anna Eliseeva/Mikhail Chislov	1	101.95

Pairs

Place	Name	Ranking points	Score
1	Varvara Cheremnykh/Daniil Butenko	26 (12+14)	356.02
2	Ekaterina Chikmareva/Matvei Yanchenkov	18	205.80
3	Yulia Artemieva/Alexei Bryukhanov	18	184.86
4	Anna Moskaleva/Maxim Lozhkin	16	182.98
5	Maria Dybkova/Alexei Khvalko	16	182.35
6	Maiia Shegai/Igor Shamshurov	14	178.19
7	Anastasia Chernyshova/Vladislav Antonyshev	12	170.82
8	Varvara Smirnova/Alexei Belkin	11 (10+1)	276.24
9	Elizaveta Osokina/Artem Gritsaenko	10	165.07
10	Sofia Khisamutdinova/Lev Tsekhanovich	8	162.00
11	Evgenia Loskutova/Andrei Shaderkov	8	134.48
12	Veronika Merenkova/Danil Galimov	6	149.21
13	Anna Kozhevnikova/Petr Alekseenko	6	133.68
14	Alisa Rodionova/Alexei Karpov	4	147.76
15	Sofia Zemtsova/Karim Davletgareev	4	122.70
16	Anastasia Poznyak/Vladislav Vilchik	2	141.83

 

[RatedPG]

Catching up with the women

Fedyanina was on fire! Her jumps are so huge. This girl scored around 135 last year, what a great skate!!

Morozova was disappointing. She can better, and she needs to be much better than this for any chance at Nationals.

Samodelkina - what a skate!! Seems the 3A is not there yet, but the rest was amazing. But what a risky program leaving all those super hard combos till the end. That gamble can easily backfire and you lose 20-30 points...
(Is she BFF with Sasha now when they have the same coach?)

Zakharova - a bit disappointing, but she's fun to watch. Should set up herself good for advancement to Nationals.

Yametova - omg, the energy and speed this little girl has is amazing. Surely she must have the hearts of all the Russian people by now, she sure has mine. Won't probably be enough for a medal, but great stuff!!

Trusova - she seemed so out of form yesterday that I didn't expect any quads today. But she landed the 4Lz nicely in warm-up, but then in true Sasha style fell on it when it mattered. After speedy Yametova, it almost looked like she was walking on the ice. Surely this should be behind Veronika?? Hmmm...it isn't. Sasha did a Starr Andrews.

Petrosian - she was really going for it. I guess Team Tut don't expect less. After that shaky start this could have backfired, but it didn't. Adeliia seems to be superstrong this year. For now, I can easily see her podium at Nationals.

OK, off to see the Men.

Agreed. How they elevated and saved Trusova with a bronze medal is a travesty. She should have finished in fifth place. Could have been the wake up call she needs for practice. The program was terrible and her technical elements were not executed including some triples. The PCS score should have been way below both Zakharova and Yametova. But, I can tell, that in Russia, if you are unknown, your ceiling in PCS is 65 and if you are well known and skate poorly, we will save you with a 75 PCS buffer that allows you to mess up the one quad and pop some triples. Yametova needed this earned bronze medal to solidify her standing with the Russian federation

The fair points were that Sofia S. earned her silver medal and I loved her 4S and 3Lz 3Lo and three backloaded combos. You can tell she has mastery over all the triples minus the 3A.
Adeliya was solid as well. Her 4T combo was unplanned and balsy. I think she should stick with just two 4T’s. But, the fact that she goes for 4Lo second, must mean she lands this jump in practice. Both Sofia and her got around 70 with PCS. The programs are good. But, not wow quality.

The camera focused on Eteri turning her back after Trusova’s performance was I think she was too embarrassed for Sasha. I just get the feeling that at Eteri camp, she whips her girls into shape. While, at the camp Sasha and Sofia are at, they have more fun.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Karina Akopova:

'Sorry, but I am mad.
Nobody knows that I have been skating with this injury for a half a year and nothing helps me.
Now, in addition to this injury, an old one has worsened, but I tried to hang in there.

I will have a post and finally tell everyone how I skate through the pain every training session, not even a training session, I just have a hard time getting out of bed in morning...'

 

[Jontor]

OK, so the boys

Gumennik - my fave Russian skater now. 4Lz!! Nice! Oh shoot, down on the 4Lo. But wow, Petr is killling it...spoke too soon, down on that pesky 3A, but wow what a skate. And I just learned that he resently had C19. Fantastic stuff, and isn't Petr the cutest thing ever!!

(These close up shots really shows every tiny sweaty pore, don't they)

Anisimov - 4F!! That's new, isn't it...maybe not, but it was fab. Oh dear, he's doing a Samodelkina and saves all the combos - risky. Oh, he did ok, I guess it's easier for men to save the combos considering all this quad stuff they have to do. Oh my, he ends with Bonnie Tyler in Russian! Who would ever have thought... Great skate! Vicky should be proud.

(Viktoria looks fierce as always - Butsaeva for President!!)

Kovalev - oh dear Artem, not a good start. Another one with all the combos at the end, and this time including 3A, this doesn't bode well. Well, he squeezed through, but a shaky skate. And Artem does nothing for me, I find his skating kinda...pointless?

Erokhov - oh no, disaster start for Alexey, can he come back? Yes he can, kinda... But it is enough? I guess that advantage from SP might save him. It's enough! Well that was a relief...or was it?

(Doesn't Alexey have the blue-est eyes ever? If Russia is ever doing a Game of Thrones, they should cast him as the Ice King.)

Kondratiuk - expecting a wild ride here. 4Lz! Looks like he learned it from his so called girlfriend. Now halfway through and I'm sure he's winning this. Ok, running out of steam a bit, but it's a win. But please, fire that costume designer! And I'm not liking this program at all.

Very enjoyable Russian skating today!!

 

[Fried]

Agreed. How they elevated and saved Trusova with a bronze medal is a travesty.

Well, no greater farce than how Valieva was elevated over Akatieva, and everyone here thought that was fine, as far as I can remember. If only because the judges know better than fans.

Adeliya was solid as well.

Of course, it's interesting how unanimous the praise was for Petrosyan, who had one step out and one fall on three quads. Sasha has been regularly torn up in similar circumstances in the past for heralding but not delivering and lacking stability. It's just ridiculous.

The camera focused on Eteri turning her back after Trusova’s performance was I think she was too embarrassed for Sasha. I just get the feeling that at Eteri camp, she whips her girls into shape.

Embarrassed? This, her attitude should be embarrassing for her. But unfortunately she is absolutely NOT embarrassed. Nothing. No broken hips, no positive drug tests. Nothing.
For the rest, we can compare SP ans LP of OTS (under Tutberidze) and Stage 2 CoR (under Sokolovskaya). The SP yesterday was way better, programm AND Skate. And the FP took place at least. I can no longer hear the praises of Tutberidze. Where are they, the successful adult girls beyond puberty?

 

[Jontor]

It's crazy that Sokolovskaya, by default, now has become one of the hottest coaches in Russia, and she doesn't even have a Wikipedia page...not even in Russian.

 

[AlexBreeze]

not even in Russian.

There're less Wikipedia pages about FS in Russian than in English due to stupid rules.

 

[yume]

Well, no greater farce than how Valieva was elevated over Akatieva, and everyone here thought that was fine, as far as I can remember. If only because the judges know better than fans.

Not everyone thought it was fine, far from it. It's just that no one wrote rants like you did.

Anyway, about stage 2, the thing that everyone seems to be fine with, is Veronika Slaymetova deserving the bronze.

 

[Lurker11]

Well, no greater farce than how Valieva was elevated over Akatieva, and everyone here thought that was fine, as far as I can remember. If only because the judges know better than fans.


Of course, it's interesting how unanimous the praise was for Petrosyan, who had one step out and one fall on three quads. Sasha has been regularly torn up in similar circumstances in the past for heralding but not delivering and lacking stability. It's just ridiculous.


Embarrassed? This, her attitude should be embarrassing for her. But unfortunately she is absolutely NOT embarrassed. Nothing. No broken hips, no positive drug tests. Nothing.
For the rest, we can compare SP ans LP of OTS (under Tutberidze) and Stage 2 CoR (under Sokolovskaya). The SP yesterday was way better, programm AND Skate. And the FP took place at least. I can no longer hear the praises of Tutberidze. Where are they, the successful adult girls beyond puberty?

Valieva skated two great programs that she has clearly put a lot of time into developing whether she uses ultra c or not. Valieva did enough to beat Akateva across two programs. The debate is merely whether Valieva is slightly ahead or Akateva is slightly ahead. These are two of the best skaters on the planet.

With Sasha it's a question of whether she's 3rd (which no-one can possibly think even her biggest fans), 4th or even 5th. That's how far she has fallen we're debating whether she scored 210 or 200.

Sasha was struggling to do a 2T at the end of her free skate. She's completely let her fitness go over the summer. Sasha's whole appeal is her jumping. Take that away and she's barely in the best 6 in a GP stage.

This was Petrosyan's first adult start if I'm correct. Let us judge Petrosyan if she's not delivering in three years time.

 

[alexocfp]

Well, no greater farce than how Valieva was elevated over Akatieva, and everyone here thought that was fine, as far as I can remember. If only because the judges know better than fans.

The judges know better than the fans.
Trusova got the calls this weekend and finished 3rd. Great. There was no fix.

The judges weren’t corrupt last week, and they weren’t corrupt this week.
I’m consistent with regards to the judging.

 

[alexocfp]

Valieva skated two great programs that she has clearly put a lot of time into developing whether she uses ultra c or not. Valieva did enough to beat Akateva across two programs. The debate is merely whether Valieva is slightly ahead or Akateva is slightly ahead. These are two of the best skaters on the planet.

With Sasha it's a question of whether she's 3rd (which no-one can possibly think even her biggest fans), 4th or even 5th. That's how far she has fallen we're debating whether she scored 210 or 200.

Sasha was struggling to do a 2T at the end of her free skate. She's completely let her fitness go over the summer. Sasha's whole appeal is her jumping. Take that away and she's barely in the best 6 in a GP stage.

This was Petrosyan's first adult start if I'm correct. Let us judge Petrosyan if she's not delivering in three years time.

Not to hijack your post, but I got chills reading this because I pictured Anna in Trusova‘s place. And it’s the reason I don‘t want Anna back if she is not fully fit and fully motivated. Don’t want her coming to these events to eke out a bronze against lower ranked competitors.

And I know nothing about figure skating, and probably know less as the years go by, but I do know sports (I mean if you watch the women’s Turkish volleyball league, Greek water polo and follow the Estonian football league among other you are probably nuts but that’s another story), and in sports there are players that are great in practice but not consistent when the matches count, there are clutch players, there are habitual chokers, and there are big game players. There are athletes that overachieve, and athletes that under achieve.

And usually, it doesn’t take very long to classify everyone. I clocked Anna as a big game player quickly and easily. And why Anna almost always never comes up with the short end of the stick. What you have above the neck can sometimes overcome a lot.

 

[Lurker11]

Not to hijack your post, but I got chills reading this because I pictured Anna in Trusova‘s place. And it’s the reason I don‘t want Anna back if she is not fully fit and fully motivated. Don’t want her coming to these events to eke out a bronze against lower ranked competitors.

And I know nothing about figure skating, and probably know less as the years go by, but I do know sports (I mean if you watch the women’s Turkish volleyball league, Greek water polo and follow the Estonian football league among other you are probably nuts but that’s another story), and in sports there are players that are great in practice but not consistent when the matches count, there are clutch players, there are habitual chokers, and there are big game players.

And usually, it doesn’t take very long to classify everyone. I clocked Anna as a big game player quickly and easily. And why Anna almost always never comes up with the short end of the stick.

Shcherbakova knows how to win. I think she sacrificed a lot doing things like covering herself in plastic wrap while in the gym and the two shrimp diet, in addition to the endless hours and seasons of long practice sessions. Some will say it is terrible that she put her body through this (every high level athlete puts their body through hell none of it enjoyable or 'healthy') but I'm sure she's glad she didn't have the 3rd shrimp as she now has all the biggest titles to her name and can hang up her boots content.

 

[Lurker11]

@alexocfp

I'm not going to look for the post but you said something along the lines 3-4 months ago when this domestic schedule was put together, you said we'd all know the bio of the the 10th, 15th, 20th best Russian skater by the end of the season and it's certainly turning out that way.

 

[anonymoose_au]

The camera focused on Eteri turning her back after Trusova’s performance was I think she was too embarrassed for Sasha. I just get the feeling that at Eteri camp, she whips her girls into shape. While, at the camp Sasha and Sofia are at, they have more fun.

I thought was the biggest load of... I can't believe the editors did it.

And I have a far less charitable interpretation of it, namely Eteri was having a little tantrum because once again one of "HER" skaters dared to leave, because they're not people with thoughts and feeling and desires of their own, but puppets for her to manipulate and push and take from.

It's none of Eteri's business what Sasha does anymore and she can butt out.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Catching up on the men and er...is anyone gonna tell Maxim B that his FS music features not one but two "F-bombs"? Like dude?!

Also, was it my imagination or was Alexander Lakernik the technical controller or whatever for this whole thing? Is that usual? I mean being an expert in all four disciplines seems a stretch. Plus he's the head of the Federation? It's a bit...dodgy.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Also, was it my imagination or was Alexander Lakernik the technical controller or whatever for this whole thing? Is that usual? I mean being an expert in all four disciplines seems a stretch.

Technical controller in men and pairs, Referee in women, absent from ice dance. Seems fine to me.

Plus he's the head of the Federation?

The head of the Fed is Alexander 'I don't know anything' Gorshkov. Lakernik isn't mentioned on the Fed's website.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

OK, so the boys

Gumennik - my fave Russian skater now. 4Lz!! Nice! Oh shoot, down on the 4Lo. But wow, Petr is killling it...spoke too soon, down on that pesky 3A, but wow what a skate. And I just learned that he resently had C19. Fantastic stuff, and isn't Petr the cutest thing ever!!

(These close up shots really shows every tiny sweaty pore, don't they)

Anisimov - 4F!! That's new, isn't it...maybe not, but it was fab. Oh dear, he's doing a Samodelkina and saves all the combos - risky. Oh, he did ok, I guess it's easier for men to save the combos considering all this quad stuff they have to do. Oh my, he ends with Bonnie Tyler in Russian! Who would ever have thought... Great skate! Vicky should be proud.

(Viktoria looks fierce as always - Butsaeva for President!!)

Kovalev - oh dear Artem, not a good start. Another one with all the combos at the end, and this time including 3A, this doesn't bode well. Well, he squeezed through, but a shaky skate. And Artem does nothing for me, I find his skating kinda...pointless?

Erokhov - oh no, disaster start for Alexey, can he come back? Yes he can, kinda... But it is enough? I guess that advantage from SP might save him. It's enough! Well that was a relief...or was it?

(Doesn't Alexey have the blue-est eyes ever? If Russia is ever doing a Game of Thrones, they should cast him as the Ice King.)

Kondratiuk - expecting a wild ride here. 4Lz! Looks like he learned it from his so called girlfriend. Now halfway through and I'm sure he's winning this. Ok, running out of steam a bit, but it's a win. But please, fire that costume designer! And I'm not liking this program at all.

Very enjoyable Russian skating today!!

Agree with everything especially Petr's cuteness and Vika being the boss A short but sweet men's event!

I just caught some of the pairs, all 3 medallists were awesome but Mukhortova/Evgeniev continue to steal my heart with their charm and polish

 

[alexocfp]

@alexocfp

I'm not going to look for the post but you said something along the lines 3-4 months ago when this domestic schedule was put together, you said we'd all know the bio of the the 10th, 15th, 20th best Russian skater by the end of the season and it's certainly turning out that way.

I believe I said that in the Russian ladies thread.

That we will be experts on the 50th ranked skater by November. Haha

It’s been fun watching the lesser known and lesser followed Oblasts like Perm.

 

[alexocfp]

I thought was the biggest load of... I can't believe the editors did it.

And I have a far less charitable interpretation of it, namely Eteri was having a little tantrum because once again one of "HER" skaters dared to leave, because they're not people with thoughts and feeling and desires of their own, but puppets for her to manipulate and push and take from.

It's none of Eteri's business what Sasha does anymore and she can butt out.

I don’t know what her intention was but it certainly adds to the storyline. Eteri is Eteri, she wouldn’t be where she is if she didn’t hold grudges. Not saying it’s wrong or right, just saying how it is.

Plus it makes for good TV. As a viewer, welcome this argy bargy.

I’m sure Eteri is focused more on beating her on the ice.

So far, Eteri is +30 on her former student and leads 1 win to nil. And don’t think Team Eteri isn’t keeping score. They know the numbers too.

She is down 1-0 to her CSKA teammate too.

But it’s still early. Anything can happen until the end of the season.