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COP SOS - Crackz, Hackz, Patch job Vers. 2015

QuadThrow

Medalist
Joined
Oct 1, 2014
REPEAL ZAYAK FOR DOUBLES! The stupid addition is not accomplishing what the Zayak rule is meant to do - avoid having skaters fill out all of their jumping passes with a couple of their favorite/best jumps. It's supposed to reward skaters having a variety of triple and quadruple jumps and prevent skaters with just a few triples from beating skaters with all their triples.

The doubles rule is just stupid. In senior level programs, you're not supposed to being doing doubles anyways except in combinations. Is anyone really planning on doing three 2lz or 2f in their programs?? If a skater plans to fill out their combinations by doing four 2t, I think that should be allowed. All this dumb rule is doing is costing skaters points they could be getting from their combinations. Popping quads, 1lo-3s, and -3t combinations into doubles happens a lot, with the current rules, it forces the skater to either madly do algebra in their heads while skating the program, single intentional double jumps in combinations to avoid zayaking, or actually zayaking and losing a ton of points.

At the very least, they should make it so that if you zayak, you only lose the value of the jump you zayaked on. So if you did a 3a-2t and zayaked on the 2t, you'd still get credit for the 3a (or even 3a+SEQ if the first 3a wasn't done in combination), instead of losing the whole jumping pass. Plus for people who favor 2lo or 2t in combinations, the rule is basically saying NOPE YOU CANNOT DO THOSE COMBINATIONS ANYMORE, TRY AGAIN. Stupid.

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MiRé

Match Penalty
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
REPEAL ZAYAK FOR DOUBLES! The stupid addition is not accomplishing what the Zayak rule is meant to do - avoid having skaters fill out all of their jumping passes with a couple of their favorite/best jumps. It's supposed to reward skaters having a variety of triple and quadruple jumps and prevent skaters with just a few triples from beating skaters with all their triples.

The doubles rule is just stupid. In senior level programs, you're not supposed to being doing doubles anyways except in combinations. Is anyone really planning on doing three 2lz or 2f in their programs?? If a skater plans to fill out their combinations by doing four 2t, I think that should be allowed. All this dumb rule is doing is costing skaters points they could be getting from their combinations. Popping quads, 1lo-3s, and -3t combinations into doubles happens a lot, with the current rules, it forces the skater to either madly do algebra in their heads while skating the program, single intentional double jumps in combinations to avoid zayaking, or actually zayaking and losing a ton of points.

At the very least, they should make it so that if you zayak, you only lose the value of the jump you zayaked on. So if you did a 3a-2t and zayaked on the 2t, you'd still get credit for the 3a (or even 3a+SEQ if the first 3a wasn't done in combination), instead of losing the whole jumping pass. Plus for people who favor 2lo or 2t in combinations, the rule is basically saying NOPE YOU CANNOT DO THOSE COMBINATIONS ANYMORE, TRY AGAIN. Stupid.

I agree with you with one condition, allowing 3 2A back as well. If not, then no
 

jkun

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 16, 2013
Given Artistry or PCS is so subjective, and because some skaters actually win because of high PCS despite a terrible technical performance (Carolina 2014 worlds), I would suggest lowering the factors of PCS. 0.2xTotal PCS for SP and 0.4Total PCS for LP ladies and men. Afterall, this IS a sport so technical merits should be weighted more than artistry.

Some of PCS isn't even artistry though. For example, skating skills and transitionary footwork arguably has a lot to do with one's technical and athletic ability. Choreography and interpretation and probably more "artistic".
 

gkelly

Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Speaking from my own low-level experience, it's hard to interpret and present well while focusing mentally on the technical content. So in some ways even the "artistic" skills rely on technical mastery of the skills one has chosen to include in the program.
 
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