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Saaaaame ^__^very happy for julie sebestyen and fumie suguri and their strong skates. first time seeing tugba and i like her a lot--if her long is also choreographed by kurt all the better.
Saaaaame ^__^very happy for julie sebestyen and fumie suguri and their strong skates. first time seeing tugba and i like her a lot--if her long is also choreographed by kurt all the better.
Well, I'm not sure who are those people you are talking about, but as for me, if I'm one of those uber-fans, I don't really defend her, but sometimes there are some misinformation about her or some dubious statements and I just try to highlight all that when it's possible. As for this thread, I don't see anything against her (but, of course, I didn't read it all). Some of her fans actually said that she had underrotated jump too, but I didn't notice it.Agreed. They see the need to defend their little princess but it's not necessary.
Without Mao around, Yu Na really is in a class of her own. Even though I'm tired of hearing commentators drool about her, what else can they do?
some of us take the Sport seriously and don't worry about favorites, or trolls, and YuNa is simply the best this season, as well as Nobi. We will learn more about Evan in SC as well as Akiko.
Constructive criticisms beat out boorish criticisms. n'est pas?
YuNa is a phenoneman. She's breaking her own records. Is there an adjective to describe her whole persona as well as her skating?
I have to say that I take back my remarks about Rachael's jazzy SP in China. She was marvelous in L.Placid. Her one mistake was that second jump in the combo where she landed on the back part of her blade which made her fall backwards. That's not an opinion. It's the Law of Physics. If the USFS does not send her to Vancouver, they will be making a huge mistake. I love Mirai and Caroline but realistically, it's Rachael.
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I'm sorry for her fans, but Emily had no redeeming features in that SP. It would have been better if she had gone to Sectionals before Nats. As of now, she should not be one of the chosen 2 to go to Vancouver.
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Her scores are well-deserved not only because she's an amazing skater (talented, fast, expressive, musical, etc.), but also because the Kim "Dream Team" (Orser, Kim& Wilson) knows how to milk the CoP and I see no fault in that at all. They're probably the first top-skater team that fully comprehends the newly-instituted system and uses it to their advantage. That's their winning strategy.
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Sasha Cohen, with both John Nicks and Tatiana Tarasova, milked the crap out of the CoP. While she didn't win, Sasha's team figured out how to use the code to her abilities and make up for her technical limitations.
The US skaters should have taken note instead of trying to become the Next Whoever.
I dunno...I just think we have a rather underwhelming crop of skaters right now, not too much talent (or the talent is undermined by faulty technique, or whatever). But I wonder how much is it that we suck, or the international competition is that great. But Yuna is beating the pants off even the other top international competitors so the Americans need not feel so bad.
I would argue Alissa Czisny knows how to milk the CoP. She's been skating for so long and has excellent spins, spirals, and emotion. She won nationals last year after skating a FS where she only landed 3 clean triples (granted she won the SP and had a substantial lead) because her PCS score was huge. Technically, she isn't as strong as some of the other US ladies, but when she manages to land most of her jumps her PCS scores allow her to be at the top. Her jumps seem to be improving a lot though, I'm hoping she makes it to the Olympics! She seems like such a sweet girl.
Sasha Cohen, with both John Nicks and Tatiana Tarasova, milked the crap out of the CoP. While she didn't win, Sasha's team figured out how to use the code to her abilities and make up for her technical limitations. The US skaters should have taken note instead of trying to become the Next Whoever.
Eta: Welcome to the board!
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Should I bring this up? The 3T looked kinda UR on the slo-mo for my untrained eye
You think that looked UR? umm.. I don't think so.
If her jump is UR, other ladies skaters' jumps are all UR.
YUNA is perfect.
You shouldn't be so overly critical.
You see, I'm practically new to the figure skating world (Kim drew me in two years ago), so I don't know much about Cohen. I was hoping to see her perform in TEB and SA because I heard so much about her, but, well, you know what happened. I was rather disappointed. I guess I'll have to wait until Nationals. Before I make any extreme comments (e.g. "best team ever") I'll make sure I know my stuff well. Thanks!
Also, yes a numerous loops at the back end of 3-3s look like that and gets URed. Just look at Miki Ando, girl can't catch a break!
Here's the thing about underrotations. So many fans forget that underrotation can occur at both the entry and the exit to a jump. For example, on a toe loop, a lot of skaters cheat by prerotating their torso or the blade prior to takeoff. If you go back and look at the underrotation deductions for otherwise stellar jumpers like Miki Ando, it's usually because her torso is facing backwards at the point of takeoff.
I think that's why fans get into such a tizzy about underrotation calls. Because they're focusing only on the landings, they think that judges are making the calls inconsistently or (worse) based on favoritism. In fact, the underrotation calls are usually very accurate (the GOE scores a little less so) when you factor in the entry.
These accusations of favoritism are typically directed against Yuna's 3T jump because her blade sometimes doesn't land at a 180 degree angle to her takeoff. As many people have pointed out, however, a less-than-180 degree rotation does NOT constitute an underrotation. The reason she is not called for underrotations is because her takeoff technique is so good. She actually uses the toepick (and not the blade, like SO many skaters do), and her torso is at no more than 90 degrees as she launches into the air.
Quibble about the GOEs if you like. But the underrotations are not really up for debate.