I've thought about what some have said about having figure skating removed from the Olympics and I was sad at first, because it would seem like a resignation saying figure skating is not a sport. I think it is a sport, a subjective sport though, and for that reason I don't think it would be allowed at the level of the Olympics. The Olympics are about bringing nations together and figure skating, being subjective, is too subject to politiking and bringing nations apart. This does not mean figure skating is not a sport, it is, but having it at the olympic level is too dangerous, I feel.
The Judging Controversy Thread
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Yuna's SP GOE sheet
Adelina's SP GOE sheet
So Adelina got higher TES in SP than Yuna even with weaker contents. I strongly believe Yuna's SP should have scored 4~5 points higher than Adelina's, at a minimum. Plus, don't forget about the Step Sequence that the tech panel gifted Adelina with level 4 while holding Yuna back down to level 3 in both SP and FS.
But I thought that was the point of the new system. TES is a combination of what is done and how well it's accomplished.
Perhaps Sotnikova did have easier content... but she performed it to a very high standard according to the score sheet. She traded some base-value for grade of execution points... I'm not sure what the controversy is about this.
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Given that there isnt a media report I have seen yet that hasnt mocked or questioned Adelina's gold medal in some way (if anyone has one I would love to see it) I doubt that will be the case. Even someone who knows nothing about skating can see a robbery. I was watching the event on small screen at the same time as a movie with my friend who never watches skating in his life, and even he laughed at the result asking how many people the Russians something I wont say (something more extreme than money, I will leave it at that) did something for to get that.
The controversy is that the score sheet was very, very generous.
Yet the tech panel gave higher levels to Adelina so that she can score higher total. How wonderful is that?
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Were you there in the arena? Lucky you! I agree, quarrels about the judging aside, what a show!
Welcome to Golden Skate! Thanks for posting. :yes:
I'm pretty sure after Julia fell, the judges had to overscore Adelina to keep Russia's medal hopes alive.
After the horrific and dismal failure of the Russian hockey team, they had to rejuvenate the nation with a gold medal - handing the gold medal in the marquee event of the Olympics to a Russian girl definitely offsets the failure of the hockey team.
I cannot believe people who are surprised at the result. I saw the crowning of a Russian women ever since the team event. It was inevitable.
We are in Russia folks. If Putin wants a gold medal in women's FS, then there will be a gold medal in women's FS.
After the horrific and dismal failure of the Russian hockey team, they had to rejuvenate the nation with a gold medal - handing the gold medal in the marquee event of the Olympics to a Russian girl definitely offsets the failure of the hockey team.
I cannot believe people who are surprised at the result. I saw the crowning of a Russian women ever since the team event. It was inevitable.
We are in Russia folks. If Putin wants a gold medal in women's FS, then there will be a gold medal in women's FS.
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The thing is, the IOC keeps adding sports which have subjectivity to them. For instance some of the new skiing and snowboarding sports have subjective components. And gymnastics certainly has its fair share of similar subjectivity issues. I think that sports like these are fine to have in the Olympics (too be honest they draw in big audiences), but the IOC is going to have to find better ways of keeping politicking/cheating/etc. under control.
Maybe if they enforced stricter policies that wouldn't allow a country to participate in the next Olympic's of that season or perhaps make them pay a fee for their dishonesty.... I really have no idea if either are feasible, but they may make individuals and/or countries think twice....
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Sherlock Holmes should do a better job.
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Of course they did. Given all that Putin payed they didnt want to be hung or jailed after the event.
Mao's GOEs are criminal:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
No anonymous judging and highest judge score and lowest judge score should not be counted. That's how it works in many other judged sports, they drop lowest and highest scores. Both russians were held up. Julia looks like a little girl and skates like one too. Stop the insanity!!
Sotnikova is fully 5 points better in placeholder component scores than Mao Asada giving one of the performances of her career. Soak in that as well.
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and if they did hopefully they get the message by people boycotting watching next seasons skating competitions. Bankruptcy has a way of sending a signal. I watched the event today with a couple of people who had never watched skating before (we were watching a movie at the same time so we werent even that into it) and they vowed it was the last time they would ever watch it again. Meanwhile I know several friends who are bigger diehards than I am who say it will be a long time before they watch another skating competition as well.
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They do drop the highest and lowest scores. The anonymous judging thing is on the agenda for the next ISU council meeting, and will probably be done away with.
People shrug off home scoring for the Russians, as if it's expected. First of all, the judging should be fair, no exceptions. Second, even if there's a "benefit of the doubt", that's not what we're talking about here. Sotnikova was given nearly world record scores for a flawed program. Her program was easier than Yuna's 2010, didn't have the spiral sequence, didn't match the music, and she botched a jump...and she still scored decimal points from Yuna's flawless WR performance.
Even Julia scored 135 despite all of the mistakes in her LP...135!
