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Sniffle, sniffle...What an interesting read this thread has been. So far I have learned that Frank is a bitter old man who should keep his mouth shut, fans that appreciated skating before COP and criticize the current system should keep quiet about their dislike of COP, skating has declined in the US because of Dick Button and Scott Hamilton, Michelle's Tosca was gross so therefore not COP worthy. Carry on......
It doesn't surprise me that MK's Tosca has one choreography credit and I know how I react to most of his other work. Some others may think Tosca is super (and it's your every right), but not I (and that's my right). Carry on.................................
Well, I agree that the IJS a "hindrance" in that is makes things difficult, but I do know that Kostner has had some fantastic programs choreographed by Kurt Browning in her past. If it's a hindrance to them, it is probably a hindrance to many other skaters (male or female) but I don't think it's the iron wall that it is presented as by some fans. There may be some CoP enthusiasts who do just tell you to learn the ISU protocols, but there are plenty of CoP enthusiasts who don't and tell you why the judging needs to be fixed, or who propose improvements to a system they think either 1) does some things well, and b) has the potential to do even better. BoP and gkelly's posts pertaining to that are beyond me, unfortunately.It was great! I also liked both Czisny's and Kostner's short programs at Skate America. I still think that the judging system is a hindrance to these three and to other ladies. I agree with Frank Carroll about that.
What is frustrating about conversations like this is the following. Figure skating as a spectator sport is in big trouble in the United States. The solution? According to CoP enthusiasts, the solution is to tell people to read more ISU protocols.
Either way, CoP-enthusiast newbs like me question why Alissa Czisny for example, was given better PCS in the SS department at SA over Carolina Kostner in the LP which looks to be more a fault of the judging than the system. Kinda 6.0-like, if you ask me. One of your posts in the thread discussing it included the confused question of "How can CoP enthusiasts disagree with CoP competition results?" -- Because CoP fans know it isn't perfectly structured, nor perfectly applied by judges every single time. Just like 6.0 enthusiasts didn't agree with every single 6.0 result.
Speaking of PCS. Another poster already mentioned it but I don't know what Frank Carroll is complaining about. Tuktamysheva received PCS averages of (inclusively) between 6.00-7.00. I don't think she was overscored, but maybe the others were relatively underscored, if that's what some of you mean. (e.g. I'm not a master at studying the protocols and judging Transitions for myself, but Akiko Suzuki received a 4.50 from one judge.)
Well, that's too bad but you wouldn't be the first Plushenko fan who was a Yagudin detractor (which I find interesting.) I liked both, but Yagudin a little more. He was a very passionate, powerful performer at his best. I definitely agree with Daisuke Takahashi as one who has had some marvelously musical CoP programs.Yagudin was MANY great things, but was he musical really? I mean he was like Buttle or Daisuke? I didnt seem him this way before and I dont think I ve missed a program of his before and after he retired.
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