Ando can beat a clean Kostner. Like I said, if she goes for a triple triple in the SP. Add back triple flip in the LP for a 7 triple programs, she will beat a clean Kostner. It's not like her PCS will be 5 points behind Kostner. She got Morozov choreography and she's a two times WC. There's no reason to keep her PCS down.
With her skate last year, I can see her winning the Bronze at the Olympics over Joannie. Her SP was very good.
At the Olympics, she went for a 3x3, and under the old rule, it got downgraded to 3x2 with - GOE. Had she gone for a 3x2 with + GOE, she would be around ~68 range with a crap program.
I agree if Ando were doing the triple-triples in both programs and skated cleanly that she could beat a clean Kostner with her current jump content, but Ando hasnt done a ratified triple-triple in years, let alone in the short program, not even last season when she was skating the best she had in years, so that possability is virtually non existent. I was responding to someone who seemed to imply Ando without any 3-3s could beat a clean Kostner, which would not happen, especialy now that Kostner is World Champion.
I also have to disagree about beating Rochette in Vancouver. Rochette in Vancouver scored about 7 points higher than Ando at Worlds last year. A clean Rochette with a triple-double skating on her home ice would beat a clean Ando with a triple-double (you seem to concede so with your 68 range estimate, remember Rochette was close to 72 in Vancouver), and Ando's LP at last years Worlds at best was only roughly on par with Rochette in Vancouver. Maybe Ando from 4CCs 2011 could have beaten Rochette for the bronze in Vancouver, or perhaps that is what you meant.
Ando doesn't need 3x3 in the LP. She has a very reliable 2A-3T.
She needs a 3x3 in the SP. I think she can add the 3T on her 3Sal or 3Loop. Do 3lutz as a solo jump.
Yes, 68 for that crap Requiem SP. Her SP last season would score very close to Rochette.
Her 6-triple LP last year would beat Rochette for the bronze. At world, she only did 5 triples.
Between Miki and Caro, whoever win next year will get a medal in 2014. There's no way they will hold down a 2-3 times WC in Sochi. Next year is a make it or break it year for both of them.
I don't think Yuna could make a comeback at this point even if she wanted to. She hasn't seriously trained for over a year now and I don't think she could regain the physique that she had at Olympics, particularly as she has to remain vigilant about her hernia. Even if she did, under the new CoP, she wouldn't be as competitive. She would need a loop, and her skating skills and spins would need to be upgraded.
It will be interesting to compare Yuna to Carolina at ATS this year.
If Adelina doesn't get edge calls on her lutz, and Eliza uses all of the rink, then they'll stand a much better chance. If they both hit clean 6-7 triple programs with 3-3's, and Caro does the same layout as 2012 and wins, then it'll smell really fishy. They will hit a reputation and PCS wall in London, but maybe not so much in Sochi.
Why would Yuna need the loop just to be "competitive", when no Flip got Ando a World title and no Lutz got Kostner a World title? Upgrade her skating skills and get back the loop? Who would she be competing against next year? A time-traveling Midori Ito?
Carolina won the World title with a score of 189 points. Even Yuna's botched programs last year would have handily beat that (she got 194 total). She would have had to had done worse than last year to get below 189. What did she miss last year? She missed her 3x3 in the short, a 3Salchow combo, a 3Flip, and she omitted her 2A+3T combo. So I just can't comprehend this logic that she needs to skate clean, needs a 3Loop and an upgraded skating skills just to be "competitive" with Kostner of all people.
a clean Tuk Tuk did beat Kostner at TEB
You're mixing walnuts and lima beans here.Yuna's botched SP wasn't as bad as Kostner's botched SP. Her doubled loop got an automatic -3 GOE. Yuna didn't really miss anything terrible in the SP.
In the long program, Kostner doubled her flip. You can't comprehend what? If Kostner was perfect in the SP and LP, it will take Yuna at the Olympics to beat her. There's no other time in Yuna career that will beat a clean Kostner.
]Barely beat a really flawed Kostner.
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And when is Kostner not flawed? And adding that the next season Liza's components will mostly for sure grow (just because she'll fully switch to seniors), Tuk looks like a very serious challenger for Karo. I'd even go there and say that if the puberty won't be killing her she'll be a more serious competitor than Yuna, just because she's a super motivated athlete, a qulity that Yuna seems to miss now.