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Skaters Who've Won All Six Grand Prix Events

I know you had good intentions, that's why I offered up an actual answer in one post. :) But as I feel strongly about the unfairness of the GP selection system, I also felt obligated to respond to another poster and express my opinion on the matter. Just had to get it off my chest. There are some things I love about the sport of figure skating, and some I don't.

Understood. No harm, no foul. :) It's a judged sport, after all, and politics will always play some part!

I think winning all of the GPs could be more of a noteworthy achievement one day if the federation politics in the selection process were removed one day. But until it's gone, for me, it's a bit like discussing baseball records prior to the color barrier being broken down, if ya know what I mean. Right now, only the skaters from strong federations have even a glimmer of hope of getting the opportunity, or they need to be a pair, because the lack of depth in pairs means they have more opportunities to skate at all the GPs.

The mightiest feds (Russia, Japan, Canada, US, China, France) can and will continue to get more and more spots, but it's also symptomatic of the greater availability of resources and support for their skaters as well. (That is arguable in the US now of course given the declining popularity of the sport there, although it has undeniable glamor there once every four years.) Your point is well taken, since so many are barred from taking part in every GP due to lack of pull, resources, and of course politicking.

I just hope this thread can be a place where we continue to celebrate skaters' accomplishments, and if they're reading this, to know that they efforts and contribution to art and sport are respected and admired.
 
I do think it's an interesting achievement, and this is an interesting thread to read - including the discussion about the politics that go into the selection process &c.

I'd say that while winning all six does not prove that the skaters are "The Best Evah" - it probably indicates that they are better than "good average". (Because yes, you need to get invited to all six at some point - but also you have to have a reasonably good level to actually win those six events. I'm sure we could find skaters who've been to all six and never won... well... any.) ;)
 
I do think it's an interesting achievement, and this is an interesting thread to read - including the discussion about the politics that go into the selection process &c.
I'd say that while winning all six does not prove that the skaters are "The Best Evah" - it probably indicates that they are better than "good average". (Because yes, you need to get invited to all six at some point - but also you have to have a reasonably good level to actually win those six events. I'm sure we could find skaters who've been to all six and never won... well... any.) ;)
Totally agree. It still think winning all the 6 GP is quite an achievement. Kudo to K/S to join the group.
 
Mao busted her tush to win all of the events. That girl was committed to the max. She NEVER withdrew from an event, not even when her mother was very sick. Good Job super Mao on winning all the events and the final 4times

This is why Mao Asada, although not considered by many as QUEEN, will always have the biggest respect from the Figure Skating society. I think no skater can argue that fact.

She had a lot of transitions in her career, arsenal, coaches, choreography, but she never skipped a season.

She is legend, and will always be one of the very best of all time, artistry and athleticism wise.
 
Speaking of what defines a truly great skater, I'd say that never placing off the podium in one's entire career definitely defines it. ;)



Yep. Thought the same here. :laugh: Agree that it was a shame she wasn't able to do anymore SC's.

But I also say that never skipping a season will also define it. :agree:
 
This is why Mao Asada, although not considered by many as QUEEN, will always have the biggest respect from the Figure Skating society. I think no skater can argue that fact.

She had a lot of transitions in her career, arsenal, coaches, choreography, but she never skipped a season.

She is legend, and will always be one of the very best of all time, artistry and athleticism wise.

Well said... I think she is an example of not giving up ever.
 
I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.
 
I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.

A figure skater is good if they won all the grand prix, I mean, is not easy, Gracie still can´t win ONLY ONE event and she is good.
 
I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.

Aren't the best skaters of the world in the GP circuit. Winning all six of them is not easy. You are competing with skaters who are elite and prepared.
 
A figure skater is good if they won all the grand prix, I mean, is not easy, Gracie still can´t win ONLY ONE event and she is good.

And according to her own words she is one of the top ladies in the world..
 
I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.

Six times?! That's some... amazing luck....
 
And according to her own words she is one of the top ladies in the world..

If Gracie can put it all together at once then yes she is one the top ladies who are currently competing, her skills are not lacking but her competitive performances are
 
I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.

Well if you won all the GP one would hope it was more than a fluke - I mean then what would we say about Carolina Kostner???? I think to be fair she is a very talented skater despite several if not many questinable and certainly lucky if not flukey wins or medals.
 
Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.
I can say it's can be seen as politics when Mao won NHK, when PChiddy won Skate Canada or K/S won Cup of Russia.

But 6 times in 6 different Gp in 6 different countries with 6 different judging panels were not just luck. They might not be the greatest ever but they have to be very good to win all 6.
 
wow the shade
a lot of them me likey kekekek
you know maybe in near future people need to wear sun glasses in front of computer

so can we discuss a skater that have been to all six event n not win in single one of them
or the odds of skater that don't win the six event but got to the final and win
it must be memorable
 
Well if you won all the GP one would hope it was more than a fluke - I mean then what would we say about Carolina Kostner???? I think to be fair she is a very talented skater despite several if not many questinable and certainly lucky if not flukey wins or medals.

It doesn't have to be a fluke at all, some skaters get easier GP competitions to compete at. If you compete long enough and make yourself available to all countries, it will happen even if you are not the top skater in the world. Two a year for eight years is 16 chances to win six gold medals. The chances of some of them being easier than others is pretty good.

I can say it's can be seen as politics when Mao won NHK, when PChiddy won Skate Canada or K/S won Cup of Russia.

But 6 times in 6 different Gp in 6 different countries with 6 different judging panels were not just luck. They might not be the greatest ever but they have to be very good to win all 6.

Politics didn't have anything to do with those wins, the competitors did. K/S beat Takahashi and Tran by over 17 points, unless you think T/T should have won? Same with the other two. Who do you think should have beat Chan and Asada.
 
It doesn't have to be a fluke at all, some skaters get easier GP competitions to compete at. If you compete long enough and make yourself available to all countries, it will happen even if you are not the top skater in the world. Two a year for eight years is 16 chances to win six gold medals. The chances of some of them being easier than others is pretty good.
I bet you can find a large number of skaters who have gone to all 6 GPs over the years and never won any medal at all.

Politics didn't have anything to do with those wins, the competitors did. K/S beat Takahashi and Tran by over 17 points, unless you think T/T should have won? Same with the other two. Who do you think should have beat Chan and Asada.
Nobunari Oda in Skate Canada 2010 or 2011 (I don't remember which) in which PChiddy fell 4 times in both SP and LP but still won. Akiko Suzuki in NHK Trophy 2012.

Those GP might be less competitive than Euro, Worlds, Olympic... But for sure the level is often much better than senior B. So to win all 6, though might not mean that you are the best skater ever, but it might be seen as you are a very good skater.
 
It doesn't have to be a fluke at all, some skaters get easier GP competitions to compete at. If you compete long enough and make yourself available to all countries, it will happen even if you are not the top skater in the world. Two a year for eight years is 16 chances to win six gold medals. The chances of some of them being easier than others is pretty good.

Politics didn't have anything to do with those wins, the competitors did. K/S beat Takahashi and Tran by over 17 points, unless you think T/T should have won? Same with the other two. Who do you think should have beat Chan and Asada.
Firstly, nobody is saying this is the be-all-and-end-all of achievements. Few will say Kavaguti/Smirnov are a better pair than Berezhnaya/Sikharudlize. But chances are, you also need some kind of skill to win that many GPs, not just luck. Among all the skaters listed (including those who won 5/6 or 4/6), who would you say is just "average"? They might not all be the Kings and Queens of the sport, but they're all good skaters of their generation.

Secondly, have you considered how much training, willpower, and competitive spirit it takes to compete in many different GPs over many years? Even if your hypothetical skater just "lucked out" to win all the GPs due to competition, it likely still takes many years to come across so much "luck." In which case, we should at least applaud their longevity and determination. Most people don't even have eight years in the sport, let alone eight years in the GP.

To answer your question, who should've won over Chan and Asada? Oda and Suzuki.
 
Firstly, nobody is saying this is the be-all-and-end-all of achievements. Few will say Kavaguti/Smirnov are a better pair than Berezhnaya/Sikharudlize. But chances are, you also need some kind of skill to win that many GPs, not just luck. Among all the skaters listed (including those who won 5/6 or 4/6), who would you say is just "average"? They might not all be the Kings and Queens of the sport, but they're all good skaters of their generation.

Secondly, have you considered how much training, willpower, and competitive spirit it takes to compete in many different GPs over many years? Even if your hypothetical skater just "lucked out" to win all the GPs due to competition, it likely still takes many years to come across so much "luck." In which case, we should at least applaud their longevity and determination. Most people don't even have eight years in the sport, let alone eight years in the GP.

I didn't say it was ALL luck, I also never said it doesn't take talent to win a GP, even being invited you have to have some talent. But the first obstacle is the luck of the draw to be invited all six. Not all skaters want to go to certain countries, that takes them out of the running right there. Then it depends on the skaters you have to compete against. The first roster that gets put out in June is much different than those who compete due to injury, break-ups, illness etc.

The pairs usually run out of skaters who are eligible and the picks near the end are not the cream of the crop, so yes, it's easier for a top team to win over Israeli skaters who've been together for five months.

Is it luck the world champions aren't there so the competition is against 'newer' teams? Of course, it's much easier to fall a few times and still win than it is to have to be the best you've ever been just to medal.

K/S would have never won the honor unless they got (A) picked for Skate America this season after eight years together and (B) V/T dropped out....LUCK! Did they have to skate well? Absolutely, but other factors have to fall into place as well that are totally out the skaters control. Like another team failing.

That's why skaters like S/Z, S/S, Z/Z and K/S have been the only pairs to do it, because they have been together that long. K/S won their first GP medal at Skate Canada six years ago. If it wasn't K/S this year, it would have been V/T. Lucky for K/S, they got picked and V/T were not there. They may have had another chance or maybe not. LUCK

Pang and Tong also don't have that honor. Why? Because they were unlucky enough to be competing against Shen/Zhao and Totmianina/Marinin. If P/T were lucky enough to have just one of those teams not be assigned or drop out, they too would have the honor.

If anyone doesn't think sports doesn't have to have a little luck of the athletes side, they haven't been watching long enough.

To answer your question, who should've won over Chan and Asada? Oda and Suzuki.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that, at least until Oda learns to count.

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I don't think you can define a skater as being good simple because they won a Grand Prix, or even all of them. For numerous reasons some skaters have zero competition so it's easier to win. Look at pairs in China this year, P/Z will most certainly win because of the other teams that are there. Same with Iliushechkina/Maisuradze winning Skate Canada years ago, three top teams dropped out and the only other competitor did terrible.

Sometimes it's just the hand your dealt, and not necessarily tough competition.
 
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