2014 Cup of China Ladies Free Skate 11/08

[WeakAnkles]

It's a rather simple torts case, isn't it? She broke the term of a contract. TPTB may or may not choose to exercise that clause in the contract and extract monetary penalties. Hopefully she learns Not To Violate Her Contract again. Not that much of a story there. Can we move on?

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

So who exactly was the source for Tatjana's tweet re: the whole "didnt know" thing.

This is all I've actually seen Yulia quoted as saying herself.

http://fsrussia.ru/news/446-yuliya-lipnitskaya-sama-ne-ponyala-chto-sluchilos.html

Any transcripts from the presser?

 

[Anin]

Because all of us once was 16 and we remember what we were that age.
If she broke the rules, ISU penalize her.
Please stop attack her,she was wrong, but she's only human.

P/S :Excuse my English

 

[emma]

I haven't been able to read through this and didn't see the SP's; but did watch what they showed on NBC and while it was not a lot of great skating, I was really impressed with the Elizaveta (sp?) and can see a lot of potential in Yulia's program and others they showed today. I really enjoy Polina's skating - little worried about her edge calls and underrotates, but I like how she carries herself, her line, edges and flow. I think she just has so much room to grow (in a great way) and yes, her body type reminds me of Caro's who I grew to adore as a skater and just enjoy, now, watching Polina and look forward to watching her progress, too.

 

[FIREBIRD]

People are purposely overacting to this whole thing. Yes she skipped the ceremony, yes that was wrong. Yes they made a dumb excuse, yes that was wrong also. However, there are athletes twice her age who have done such terrible things that this looks like a joke compared to them. In my opinion, her skipping the ceremony just gave another excuse for haters to hate on her. Not that they would have stopped hating if she had gone. :disapp:

 

[Mista Ekko]

People are purposely overacting to this whole thing. Yes she skipped the ceremony, yes that was wrong. Yes they made a dumb excuse, yes that was wrong also. However, there are athletes twice her age who have done such terrible things that this looks like a joke compared to them. In my opinion, her skipping the ceremony just gave another excuse for haters to hate on her. Not that they would have stopped hating if she had gone. :disapp:

You're being delusional then.

I'm not a hater, I just don't understand any(!) sort of defence for this behaviour, It mustn't go unnoticed by the ISU.

 

[ice coverage]

So who exactly was the source for Tatjana's tweet re: the whole "didnt know" thing.

This is all I've actually seen Yulia quoted as saying herself.

http://fsrussia.ru/news/446-yuliya-lipnitskaya-sama-ne-ponyala-chto-sluchilos.html

Any transcripts from the presser?

Would not expect the presser to shed any light on the medal ceremony situation. The post-FS presser would have taken place hours before medal ceremony, I would think.

Don't know who exactly was the source for the tweet, but Flade must have been working closely with the Russian federation throughout Cup of China. The press release at your link and quite a few others on the Russian federation website are "signed" with Flade's name and title.

 

[gravy]

If this were to happen in an Olympic setting, Julia would have been disqualified from the event, banned for a couple of years, and her federation would be sanctioned. It happened to that wrestler who initially won a silver medal in Athens, but didn't attend the medal ceremony because he was upset.

Julia, like all other medalists, had to do anti-doping tests immediately after the event or she would have been outright disqualified for not being present. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the organizers didn't tell her (or she forgot) the time of the ceremony. This also isn't her first grand prix event.

In Sochi, she was called a "little dragon" by the Russian media because of her demeanor. Now I can see why they thought that.

 

[Mathman]

If this were to happen in an Olympic setting, Julia would have been disqualified from the event, banned for a couple of years, and her federation would be sanctioned. It happened to that wrestler who initially won a silver medal in Athens, but didn't attend the medal ceremony because he was upset.

Well, not exactly. This was a completely different scenario. (Plus Julia didn't try to beat up the judges. )

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/wrestling/news/story?id=3538212

By the way, Abrahamian appealled to the Court of Sports Arbitration and won his case. But in the end he backed off and said he didn't want the medal and only wanted the Court to force the international wrestling federation to bring their appeals process into line with the requirements of the Olympic Charter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/wrestling/news/story?id=3550842

If the Julia thing had happened at the Olympics, someone would have said, "hey, where's Julia? -- somebody go get her."

But then they couldn't find her because she was wearing her Where's Waldo costume.

 

[Mathman]

Because all of us once was 16 and we remember what we were that age.
If she broke the rules, ISU penalize her.
Please stop attack her,she was wrong, but she's only human.

P/S :Excuse my English

Your English is fine and your message is, too. :yes:

 

[karne]

Yulia is not causing harm to anyone with her actions, except a little embarrassment for the organizers (who have every right to dock her prize money in retaliation).

Really? How do you imagine it made Liza feel, having her not show up? I can't imagine it made her feel great. Especially if she was told, "Oh, she's not here because she's too upset" - talk about an unfair guilt-trip!

When we see this, yes, maybe that's how you WANT to react, but in good sportsmanship you CANNOT.

As I have said before, if I had behaved in an unsportsmanlike manner like this when I was sixteen, my parents would have kicked my behind for it.

 

[Amei]

Really? How do you imagine it made Liza feel, having her not show up? I can't imagine it made her feel great. Especially if she was told, "Oh, she's not here because she's too upset" - talk about an unfair guilt-trip!

If Liza (or anyone else) is letting what another skater does affect them - they need to do as much 'maturing' as she does, if she honestly decided to skip the medal ceremony because she was upset with her skate.

Did Yulia do wrong - yes.
Was it done with malice in her heart or was she intentionally trying to be rude - Pretty sure we can all say NO, even the people that don't like her.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

If the Julia thing had happened at the Olympics, someone would have said, "hey, where's Julia? -- somebody go get her."
But then they couldn't find her because she was wearing her Where's Waldo costume.

https://pp.vk.me/c540105/v540105212/2e346/E0T5Nj1190s.jpg

No Waldo

 

[skateluver]

I think she was very upset about her performance and may be the scores to assist. It is not because the second place, she is not the type of skater that is happy about a good place with a bad performance, I admire she is so committed and that was not insignificant situation for her that poor performance, but this don`t justify her behavior.

Just to put my mind at ease, and because it's probably buried somewhere in this thread already, but... surely this means Liza has qualified for the GPF, right?

If Liza (or anyone else) is letting what another skater does affect them - they need to do as much 'maturing' as she does, if she honestly decided to skip the medal ceremony because she was upset with her skate.

Did Yulia do wrong - yes.
Was it done with malice in her heart or was she intentionally trying to be rude - Pretty sure we can all say NO, even the people that don't like her.

She = Julia should not have skipped the medal ceremony no matter the excuses. Anything else or any excuses are simply not acceptable. If she can handle the pressure from competition she can surely handle the pressure of medal ceremony.

 

[OS]

Really? How do you imagine it made Liza feel, having her not show up? I can't imagine it made her feel great. Especially if she was told, "Oh, she's not here because she's too upset" - talk about an unfair guilt-trip!

As I have said before, if I had behaved in an unsportsmanlike manner like this when I was sixteen, my parents would have kicked my behind for it.

You know... I think Liza would be A LOT more generous, forgiving, kinder and less vindictive than you are here on and on harping about the same thing over and over.

All these digital bytes looking to punish an emotionally upset embarrassed young skater for not turning up to a ceremony has been blown way out of proportion. So she/her team made a BIG mistake, it wouldn't be the first thing this has ever happened in the history of mankind. She like Hanyu who devoted their young lives to skating in pursue of an OGM, now they have got it, they carry with them this enormous burden as well as high personal expectations of themselves, both having something to proof considered what happened last time. Hanyu's OGM was because he couldn't lose harder than Patrick, it is not a convincing win. Julia despite being a consistent skater, buckled under the insane media attention and clearly let the pressure get to her. They are now dealing with this massive baggage in their own individual ways as all young people struggled with given success too early and have now something to proof. There are bound to be many hiccups ahead, this is just one of them.

Unless you have walked in their shoes? How can anyone be so quick to condemn based on very limited info and subjective personal standards? Can we just move along, be a little kinder, gentler, a bit more generous, thoughtful to one another, and be less judgemental?

 

[tulosai]

I've been holding my tongue but this has reached a ridiculous point.

Yes, Lipnitskaia did something wrong. It was wrong. Bad. Unsportsmanlike or at least seeming so.

However, some of you are acting like she stabbed Liza on the podium with a shank. How absolutely lovely for all of you that you have never made a wrong decision in your life. How wonderful for you that you have never done anything bad or wrong.

People are people. They make mistakes and they do bad things. Just most of them aren't in the spotlight while they are doing that. I'd be willing to bet everything I have in the bank that everyone on this thread has done something at least this bad during their lifetimes in one context or another, it just so happens the whole GS forum doesn't know about it.

Furthermore, we still don't know what happened. I am honestly surprised more people are not concerned about her well being and instead just want to vilify her. My first reaction was that I hope she is physically and mentally okay, and that would have been my first reaction no matter who did this.

I also think MANY of the people posting, on both sides, might sing a different tune if they felt differently about Julia to begin with.

 

[Amei]

I've been holding my tongue but this has reached a ridiculous point.

Yes, Lipnitskaia did something wrong. It was wrong. Bad. Unsportsmanlike or at least seeming so.

However, some of you are acting like she stabbed Liza on the podium with a shank. How absolutely lovely for all of you that you have never made a wrong decision in your life. How wonderful for you that you have never done anything bad or wrong.

People are people. They make mistakes and they do bad things. Just most of them aren't in the spotlight while they are doing that. I'd be willing to bet everything I have in the bank that everyone on this thread has done something at least this bad during their lifetimes in one context or another, it just so happens the whole GS forum doesn't know about it.

Furthermore, we still don't know what happened. I am honestly surprised more people are not concerned about her well being and instead just want to vilify her. My first reaction was that I hope she is physically and mentally okay, and that would have been my first reaction no matter who did this.

I also think MANY of the people posting, on both sides, might sing a different tune if they felt differently about Julia to begin with.

 

[Miss Ice]

:agree:

This idea that she is so honorable that she decided she shouldn't accept a silver after that skate is truly A++++ spin. If I were her team, I would make that the official statement.

Re the she's just a 16 year old child/little girl comments....I have never seen such rabid defense of any other teenage skater due to age and this sport has certainly had many. She is a professional athlete competing at the highest level of her sport. As some have so aptly said if her age makes her unable to handle the emotional lows and renders her unable to participate in the customary medal ceremony, she doesn't belong at this level even if she is capable physically. And by participating, I think she's fair game for comments and criticisms that Yuna, Plushenko, Tara (who at 14/15 was villainized by many) and every other skater were subject to regardless of whether she is 14, 16, 18 or 30.

This, 100% agreed!

 

[skatedreamer]

That Yulia didn't show up for the medal ceremony creates a terrible PR situation for her. On its face, it's got poor sportsmanship written all over it and just doesn't look good. I'd say the same about any skater (or any other athlete, friend, or family member for that matter); liking or loving someone doesn't enter into it.

However, as tulosai points out, no one really knows why she didn't attend. Right now it's all just speculation so IMO she deserves at least a little bit of the benefit of doubt. I do think that someone on her team needs to do some damage control but I also hope to goodness she's OK.

 

[Sandpiper]

Really? How do you imagine it made Liza feel, having her not show up? I can't imagine it made her feel great. Especially if she was told, "Oh, she's not here because she's too upset" - talk about an unfair guilt-trip!

I doubt Liza cares one bit where Yulia was during the awards ceremony. Liza skated two great programs, she has her gold medal, and she's the first lady to make it to the Grand Prix Final. Yulia skipping the awards ceremony can hardly put a damper on that.