2014-2015 GPF Mens Free Skate 12/13

[Shayuki]

Well, I'm very happy for Javier. I really wanted him to do well in front of the home audience and that 4S halfway through the program was great. Well deserved second place.

Hanyu was in a class of his own however, as expected. This program is pretty crazy and if he manages to make no mistakes, 200 points should easily be doable, tech points should be around 107 or even more.

 

[Florencito]

^ And it's not even his original layout...

 

[Alba]

19 and a half...
Sure enough he's as media savvy as Pchiddy, combined with a natural talent to insult people(while I've never seen the homophobic tweet, I sure can't forget the time when he called russian sport fan sluts or something along those line), but he was hated long before that for something he had no control over (beign selected instead of Menshov for Europeans) and for bombing at worlds (something while unexpected, still easy to understand: first world championship with the entire federation hope and expectation on you to get more possible spot for the Olympics at your home- no wonder even his much more experienced companions on the ladies team underperformed ) os I don't really think he cares that much about being nice.

I understand. Well, I don't think he should care that much to be nice.
Maybe learn a bit the media and public relationship, so he can avoid unnecessary discussions on his comments which has nothing to do with skating.

He is 19 and i chortled at the ice bucket joke.

 

[Interspectator]

I understand. Well, I don't think he should care that much to be nice.
Maybe learn a bit the media and public relationship, so he can avoid unnecessary discussions on his comments which has nothing to do with skating.

I agree. It may not have anything to do with how good he is at skating, but the fans are the ones who will support the shows and buy tickets to see competitions. Best not to antagonize so many needlessly.

 

[emma]

Wow, what an event! Congrats to the medalists!

thanks for posting the awards ceremony! It was a total "bromance," and lovely to watch.

I'm really glad Javi could land on the podium "at home." I am just awed my Hanyu's jumps - and to think he didn't land that 4Sal last year in competition. Wow. Yay for Sergei!

I'm really gutted for Machida, and do hope he can shake it off and skate very well at nationals.

Gold medal to the audience - such a supportive group!

 

[figureskateobasan]

Sorry but Voronov is obviously better than him. and he's physically an uncle
Super happy with the standings and what a lovely ceremony that was. I hope Barcelona get anothet chances to host FS' event. The audiences was so lovelyyy.

 

[yay]

What do him and Trankov say on this (adorable ) pic?

http://instagram.com/p/vi1Go2CBRp/?modal=true

Hi. If you were talking about Max, he says "naughty boys". I can't see the Trankov's comment which you asked to translate..

 

[leolion11]

Wow the ceremony was amazing. The audience is so supportive of all the skaters

I know i'm late but I literally just woke up to the news that Yuzuru is still in the lead and with a career-best in the free Wow he is the KING. Really happy for Javier too but gutted for Tatsuki

 

[Mathman]

Well, I don't think he should care that much to be nice.

Yes, he should. Everyone should.

 

[Mrs. P]

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I'm surprised at Kovtun's comments because namely of his lack of awareness of how weak his layout is if he makes errors on his quads.

Let's look at Hanyu's layout from TEB, where he actualy POPS one quad and falls on the other (87.28) (Obviously his second half thsi year is even stronger, but making a point)

1S (pop
4T
3F(e)
--
3A-3T
3A-2T
3Lo
3Z-1L-3S
3Z


Here's Kovtun's program from today (76.35 TES)
2S
4T
3A-3T
--
3A
3Z-2T
3Z
3S-2T
2A

And let's compare that to Jason Brown's layout from Rostelecom. Obvioulsy using him as an experiment cause he has no quad. (80.26 TES)

3A-2T
2A
3Z (stepout)
--
3Lo
3A (two-footed)
3F-3T
3Z-1L-3S
2A


Basically, Hanyu does 7 triples after the second half (3A (2), 3Lz (2), 3Lo, 3S, 3T). Jason Brown does 6 triples (3A, 3Z, 3F, 3Lo, 3S) Maxim does just FOUR triples in the second half (3A, 3Z (2), 3S)

Base values for jumps in the 2nd half


33.88 (Maxim)
40.59 (Jason)
48.62 (Yuzuru)

ETA:

Here's the front-end layout:

33.4 (Maxim)
26.1 (Yuzuru)
19.2 (Jason)

Total jump BV

74.72 (Yuzuru)
67.2 (Maxim)
59.79 (Jason)





Maxim basically front-loads. He has to hit both quads and the 3A-3T combo in the beginning otherwise his second half is really lacking cause he doesn't do a 3F or a 3Lo. Also unlike Jason, he does not have the spin and steps to make up for jump errors.

Basically it's a gamble layout. If he hits the quad, he gets the higher BV, but even with hitting both quads, he doesn't have a sizable gap on Jason (less than 8 points). Jason can easily make up those points. And if he doesn't hit the quads, that gap is even smaller.

Yuzuru, on the other hand, has a lot more to play with. He make errors on one or even both of quads, cause he has such a strong second half to gain extra points.

 

[lmarie086]

What a great performance from Yuzuru. I have to admit, I used to think there was nothing that could make me a fan of him, but before I go off topic...he just made me a fan. Wow.

The improvement in his skating is wonderful - his flow and power across the ice and the use of the blade is much better than even last season. I can't believe it. And the quality of the content he's able to deliver, it really is hard to remember that he's so young. Not my favorite program ever, but Yuzuru really works it.

Job well done to him.

 

[Alba]

Yes, he should. Everyone should.

Why? If it's not in his character why he should care that much if he looks nice or not, to people he doesn't even know. Even if they are fans of FS.
I'm not saying that he should be a jerk, arrogant or offend others, if that's what you thought, but that he should try so hard to be likebale? Not at all.
There are skaters which I don't like their public person, but I like their skating.

 

[Interspectator]

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I'm surprised at Kovtun's comments because namely of his lack of awareness of how weak his layout is if he makes errors on his quads.

Let's look at Hanyu's layout from TEB, where he actualy POPS one quad and falls on the other (87.28)

1S (pop
4T
3F(e)
--
3A-3T
3A-2T
3Lo
3Z-1L-3S
3Z


Here's Kovtun's program from today (76.35 TES)
2S
4T
3A-3T
--
3A
3Z-2T
3Z
3S-2T
2A

And let's compare that to Jason Brown's layout from Rostelecom (80.26 TES)

3A-2T
2A
3Z (stepout)
--
3Lo
3A (two-footed)
3F-3T
3Z-1L-3S
2A


Basically, Hanyu does 7 triples after the second half (3A (2), 3Lz (2), 3Lo, 3S, 3T). Jason Brown does 6 triples (3A, 3Z, 3F, 3Lo, 3S) Maxim does just FOUR triples in the second half (3A, 3Z (2), 3S)

Max basically has to hit both quads and the 3A-3T combo in the beginning otherwise his second half is really lacking cause he doesn't do a 3F or a 3Lo. Also unlike Jason, he does not have the spin and steps to make up for jump errors.

As always, so interesting. Thank you.

 

[Mathman]

Why? If it's not in his character why he should care that much if he looks nice or not, to people he doesn't even know.

It just seems obvious to me that people should be nice and not mean, kind-hearted and not cruel, good and not evil -- especially toward people that we don't know.

 

[Mrs. P]

It just seems obvious to me that people should be nice and not mean, kind-hearted and not cruel, good and not evil -- especially toward people that we don't know.

I can kind of see what Alba's saying though. IF he doesn't have the desire to be such, no point of forcing it on the guy.

In my business I deal with a lot of cruel people (or just not nice, so not even to the extent of cruel) and I always learn the hard way that no amount of logic or reasoning will change that person if that person does not have the desire or awareness to do something about it.

I should be clear that I'm saying Maxim's a cruel or evil person. I just think he has a certain personality and ultimately he's the only one that can change it. Charlie White helped him with footwork, so he can't be that bad if Charlie can get along with the guy.

 

[Alba]

It just seems obvious to me that people should be nice and not mean, kind-hearted and not cruel, good and not evil -- especially toward people that we don't know.

Wow, you really don't have anything in the middle. Just nice, or cruel and evil?
I'm sorry, but the world I live in it's not composed by either nice or evil. Human beings I know doesn't work like that.

 

[beki]

My enjoyment of someone's skating is impacted by their personality. It's not the sole determining factor, but Liza's persistence makes me like her more than before (her skating isn't the style I prefer), for example. Kovtun and Chan shooting off their mouths makes me like them less. They can be arrogant or mean-spirited in private, but if they were more circumspect they might not have lost me as a fan.

 

[Mrs. P]

I'm going to start a new thread....so we can focus on the competition here.

 

[Alba]

My enjoyment of someone's skating is impacted by their personality. It's not the sole determining factor, but Liza's persistence makes me like her more than before (her skating isn't the style I prefer), for example.

Persistence doesn't mean you are a nice person (not that I'm saying Lisa is not. I have no idea about it).
But being a great skater, doctor, or director etc doesn't mean you are nice also. Besides, what do you mean with nice, exactly? I don't think I'm a bad person for example, and I try to be nice with people, but I'm sure there are some who would think I'm not that nice, and probably I'm not always.

By the way, Beethoven was a complete bib. I guess following that logic he's not that worthy as a composer.

 

[Alba]

I'm going to start a new thread....so we can focus on the competition here.

No need for a new thread. It sounds like I'm protecting Kovtun and I don't even like him.