Ban on Carolina Kostner Over

[Ophelia]

Maybe she should reiterate her apology for her mistake and stop giving statements, instead of making this all about how bad and sad she's feeling...

If she is so against doping, why did she turn a blind eye when her fb was doping, and then lie about it?

 

[Mathman]

To me, the bottom line is this. Nobody appointed us as judge, jury and executioner. I liked Carolina before; no need for me to go all self-rightepus on her now.

 

[cruzceleste]

To me, the bottom line is this. Nobody appointed us as judge, jury and executioner. I liked Carolina before; no need for me to go all self-rightepus on her now.

Nobody said they stoped liking her, but to deny the facts just because you like someone is another thing.

And you and right the judge already gave sentence. She lied, she got her punishement in 1 and 4 months ban.

 

[LiamForeman]

So as a lawyer you will admit a excuse "I didn´t have enough time to think"? Tell me if my boyfriend comite a crime (something like tax evasion), and police/ fiscaly go to my house and ask where he is and I do what Carolina did. And I guilty of obstruction of justice yes or no? I will guess you are answer is yes.

Well, hmm, Caro admitted to lying to the doping officials for her boyfriend. It's one thing if she was just some model babe dumbass girlfriend but she was also an elite athlete herself. She knows the score. 16 months seems so random, but it's probably to keep her out of Worlds next year if she had the urge to compete again. At least it wasn't a four year ban. But the doping officials are so arbitrary. Andre Agassi, Lance Armstrong, and two other male tennis players came up with dirty urine screens. The tennis players weren't using steroids or enhancing agents, just recreational drugs. All of them were pretty swept under the carpet or given a little slap on the wrist. Martina Hingis, really after her retirement from Elite but decided to come back for herself, tested positive for cocaine and was raked over the coals. I noticed how much harder they came down on Martina, and she professed her innocence. In his book Agassi said that he possibly could have injested the meth by drinking off someone's drink, yarrite. Martina had no idea how she could have possibly tested positive for coke, which still made my botoxed eyebrows raise a teensy bit.

Is there sexism with the doping officials? I felt it with Martina Hingis. Caro wasn't even doing the doping. So I think she needed a slap on the wrist, but 16 months banned? Not feeling it Something stinks in suburbia.

 

[Ophelia]

^didnt Armstrong get permanently banned from cycling and got all his medals stripped away?

 

[Mafke]

What stinks is that her use wan't in question on that morning and she had no real connection with the athletic career of the person they were looking for.

Just how much power should the doping pseudo-police have?

Let's say that at the olympics an athlete in sport X comes to know, without really trying, that an athlete in sport Z is doping. What responsibility do they have to inform on them?

 

[Ophelia]

She LIED for him. That goes beyond not reporting him. Sheesh people.

 

[Meoima]

^didnt Armstrong get permanently banned from cycling and got all his medals stripped away?

Actually he was given so many passes for years until he couldn't run away anymore. I am still puzzled why and how they could let him get away for that long?

 

[Mathman]

And you are right the judge already gave sentence.

Exactly. So there is no reason for you and me to pile on. A little kindness, a little mercy, a little forgiveness -- what's the harm in that?

 

[skatedreamer]

Actually he was given so many passes for years until he couldn't run away anymore. I am still puzzled why and how they could let him get away for that long?

To many people in the US (including me), Armstrong was a real hero because of his battle with cancer. It seemed impossible to believe that he could have been involved in any kind of doping, much less to such a huge extent. I kept hoping until the last that the allegations would be proved false. There's a part of me that still can't believe it.

I'm also disappointed in Carolina but I do think the penalty is too harsh. Still, as lilahozi says, she lied for her BF and that's hard to overlook. :disapp:

 

[cruzceleste]

Actually he was given so many passes for years until he couldn't run away anymore. I am still puzzled why and how they could let him get away for that long?

I don´t think they ever gave him a pass, actually they persue him for years. Just that the methods he used were ahead, and he did have everyone under menace...so it really took time for them to catch him

 

[Ophelia]

Actually he was given so many passes for years until he couldn't run away anymore. I am still puzzled why and how they could let him get away for that long?

There were so many rumors about him doping years before he officially got caught and punished. He would denigrate and blacklist other cyclists who spoke out against him (he was a HUGE manipulator and bully) People didn't want to believe the allegations bc he was the American golden boy of cycling.

As I believe, where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[Meoima]

I don´t think they ever gave him a pass, actually they persue him for years. Just that the methods he used were ahead, and he did have everyone under menace...so it really took time for them to catch him

I think it has to do more with people/organizations who were helping him by the time. Methods alone were not enough. There's human factor behind.

Back to Caro, it's not like she has committed a crime and there's no real evidence that she had known about his doping before he was exposed. In my opinion a fine is enough.
But it's not like she will come back to compete anyways... So I don't know if this ban is that severe.

 

[Barb]

Ok she made a mistake, the sentence Is fair. She is not a bad person, she is not a bad athlete and she is not a criminal.

 

[kiara_bleu]

One can disapprove of an act but not hate a person. This incident has not changed my admiration for Carolina as a skater and person. I don't blame her for fighting for her name and reputation because some people will only look at the headlines, not bother to look at the case carefully, think she is involved in doping, and just judge her in terms of that. I hope she comes out of this stronger and wiser. It does not matter for us non athletes to debate the rightness or wrongness of WADA's actions since we have luxury to question without it affecting our lives. But for other athletes, I hope this is a wake up call to protect themselves and be careful of situations where they could be left vulnerable to scrutiny. If they feel that WADA is being too punitive and takes away the rights of the athletes, then I hope there are those who have the courage and determination to demand changes.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

One can disapprove of an act but not hate a person. This incident has not changed my admiration for Carolina as a skater and person. I don't blame her for fighting for her name and reputation because some people will only look at the headlines, not bother to look at the case carefully, think she is involved in doping, and just judge her in terms of that. I hope she comes out of this stronger and wiser. It does not matter for us non athletes to debate the rightness or wrongness of WADA's actions since we have luxury to question without it affecting our lives. But for other athletes, I hope this is a wake up call to protect themselves and be careful of situations where they could be left vulnerable to scrutiny. If they feel that WADA is being too punitive and takes away the rights of the athletes, then I hope there are those who have the courage and determination to demand changes.

No disrespect to the other posters to this thread, but this is the best post in this thread for ages.

You have summed up the whole situation perfectly, in a fair and balanced way. But not only that, you have done it calmly, without passing judgement yourself.

Thank you kiara_bleu

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Silke]

Please never ask a person to be silent is disrespectful.

If you don´t agree signal why we are wrong, but in this forum we respect each others right to an opinion and point of view even when we not agree.

This isn't an opinion, or a point of view.This is only ignorance of the law. I'm an italian lawyer and I know that the sentence isn't right. Useless to keep on talking about that.

 

[Silke]

Why cant i share my opinion? If you dont like it then ignore it. And by the way anyone can claim who they want to be in the internet. And so if you claim that youre a lawyer, then OK lol

This is an opinion based on ignorance of the law. I'm chiara struffolino Kruger, avvocato dell'ordine di Milano. N. 2009001629. You can check at once, if you want. I'm only trying to explain you Why the sentence is wrong ( it will be' reformed in second grade) . If you listened to me, you would prevent you from wasting your time talking about a situation Whose you misunderstand the facts and the law.

 

[cruzceleste]

Question, and I´m guessing more to the people of Japan (because is my understanding that is where the shows are best pay).

Do you think the guilty veredict (no matter if you agree or not with it) will affect the invitation of Carolina to shows? I think Japan skaters are very squeaky clean (As far as I can remeber Japans skaters biggest scandal was Oda drunk driving his scooter) and I understand that any association with drugs in Japan is not accepted.

And for the regulation knowledgeable people, the extend of the ban includes shows, but only the ones that are organiced by ISU (galas after GPF or championships) or also sanctioned shows?

And does show like SoI, LoI etc. apply to the ban?

 

[Buttercup]

Question, and I´m guessing more to the people of Japan (because is my understanding that is where the shows are best pay).

Do you think the guilty veredict (no matter if you agree or not with it) will affect the invitation of Carolina to shows? I think Japan skaters are very squeaky clean (As far as I can remeber Japans skaters biggest scandal was Oda drunk driving his scooter) and I understand that any association with drugs in Japan is not accepted.

Doesn't seem like she's having any problem with that at the moment.

I think the ban refers only to ISU-sanctioned events, not privately run shows and tours. If anyone tried to essentially ban her from making a living pursuing her profession, she could sue and there's European case law that would support such a suit.