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Johnny also did not like the landing of the first 3a 
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What I'm most disappointed in (even though I'm not surprised, given how negative J&T have been about Jason all season) is that there were positives they could have mentioned but didn't.
Was it a perfect program? No.
Was it as bad as T&J made it sound? No.
J&T could have mentioned how much the audience loved Jason's performance and gave it a standing ovation instead of ignoring the reaction and immediately starting in on the negatives.
Hooray to Terry Gannon for reminding J&T (and the audience) that Jason is 20 and it was his first worlds.
Hooray to Tracy Wilson for the Kori quote about Jason being remembered for his artistry, consistency and magic.
Jason's 4th is the second highest debut of a US male at worlds in the IJS era, behind only Evan who finished 3rd at his first worlds and ahead of Johnny who finished 5th at his first worlds.
Was it a perfect program? No.
Was it as bad as T&J made it sound? No.
J&T could have mentioned how much the audience loved Jason's performance and gave it a standing ovation instead of ignoring the reaction and immediately starting in on the negatives.
Hooray to Terry Gannon for reminding J&T (and the audience) that Jason is 20 and it was his first worlds.
Hooray to Tracy Wilson for the Kori quote about Jason being remembered for his artistry, consistency and magic.
Jason's 4th is the second highest debut of a US male at worlds in the IJS era, behind only Evan who finished 3rd at his first worlds and ahead of Johnny who finished 5th at his first worlds.
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It's very odd. At times Tara and Johnny have sounded very supportive of Jason. But this time, I don't think they said a single positive thing about his skating, nor did either of them give him credit for handling the pressure of skating last at Worlds much better than he did in Sochi and placing much higher. In contrast, they said at least some positive things about each of the other skaters.
I dont know if it's been a long season and they're tired or they have a different expectation now that he's the US champion and not just the kid with potential or if it's sour grapes because he did much better than anyone expected him to do without a quad, no less, or what. But if they're trying to build an audience for US figure skating, I think they won't succeed this way. Honestly, I really hate that they already know the results before they tape the show and try to "prepare" the audience for the eventual winners. With Jason they set up a narrative that he could possibly medal, which was really not realistic even if he skated clean. So given the lack of positive comments, he ended up appearing to have failed to medal rather than placing very very well without a quad, which subtly undermines him. Yes he could have scored higher had he skated clean, but it would have been almost impossible for him to overtake D10, as the British Eurosport announcer noted.
I dont know if it's been a long season and they're tired or they have a different expectation now that he's the US champion and not just the kid with potential or if it's sour grapes because he did much better than anyone expected him to do without a quad, no less, or what. But if they're trying to build an audience for US figure skating, I think they won't succeed this way. Honestly, I really hate that they already know the results before they tape the show and try to "prepare" the audience for the eventual winners. With Jason they set up a narrative that he could possibly medal, which was really not realistic even if he skated clean. So given the lack of positive comments, he ended up appearing to have failed to medal rather than placing very very well without a quad, which subtly undermines him. Yes he could have scored higher had he skated clean, but it would have been almost impossible for him to overtake D10, as the British Eurosport announcer noted.
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It is worth nothing he is only the third skater from the USA to crack top four at all under IJS. Only Johnny and Evan have done as well or better - Jason on his first attempt is the third highest placing American man at worlds under IJS. Jeremy Abbot has not been higher than fifth. Really his showing is very good for the USA right now. The whole thing was just silly frankly. He did do well. Hell, even Phill Hersh was more kind than these two, and I am no fan of Philly boy.
I guess standing ovations for Jason are now taken for granted. At least they like the costume. I did notice Johnny specifically said his body looked better. A slightly more enjoyable and positive subject.
I wonder if Johnny sees things that remind him of himself (A bit "different" does things their own way, more of a spinner than a jumper, popular with fan, they have things in common) but is bitter at what he perceives at better treatment. Jason's differentness sorta is embraced (gee, I wonder why). He still gets good scores without a quad, and USFSA seems to have surrendered and let him do what he wants. Maybe Johnny feels like Jason gets away with (for lack of a better way to put it) more than he could have.
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Jealous much for Johnny towards Jason?
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I haven't watched the NBC video of Jason (or any of NBC's broadcast from Worlds) but if they're going to set up a narrative already knowing the results in advance, at least make it a positive narrative
. With the top 3 skating the way they skated, Jason had no shot at the podium. Period. And setting up the narrative to make it look like he had a shot at medaling may add suspense for those who know nothing about skating, but it's a blatant lie of a narrative as well as being disrespectful to a very, very good performance and placement for Jason.I agree that knowing the results before providing commentary is very annoying as it allows them to pre-formulate a terrible narrative rather than just letting whatever happens shape the televised event. Does British Eurosport usually do commentary live and is that one of the reasons they're just so much better? How are commentators supposed to be excited about a performance and convey that excitement to the audience if they already know how everyone does? It makes me miss Scott Hamilton's yelling and he annoyed me for years.
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If this is the way Johnny is thinking, then maybe he should ask himself why the situations are different and be honest with himself. Personally, I don't blame the USFSA one iota for refusing to support a skater who openly admitted to lying about illness and injury, spoke cattily and negatively about other skaters AND the federation itself (!!!) at every available opportunity, viewed (and continues to view) himself as bigger than the sport, and generally behaved like an entitled brat.
I remain surprised that anyone is surprised that Johnny is negative about Jason. His bitterness and jealousy have always been apparent. His pet targets before were Jeremy and Max, now Jason is added to the list, and it won't at all surprise me if Joshua is on the list next season.
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For the person who was asking about the instagram photo: Instagram automatically flips the photo as soon as it's taken. It's really, really annoying.
I skipped the NBC coverage to find a new couch (my favorite local furniture store had a sale). Sounds like I made a good move. I got a brand new couch and I missed out what sounded like really awesome commentary (not).
In all seriousness, I wouldn't take much stock in the commentary. The commentary (good or bad) does not determine the results, nor does it provide any constructive feedback that would benefit Jason in his skating career. It arguably does a disservice as far as informing the viewer, but I like to think the viewers aren't that stupid.
Also, I'd like to that Jason's flight to Tokyo was not done to avoid NBC coverage and that was happenstance.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't take much stock in the commentary. The commentary (good or bad) does not determine the results, nor does it provide any constructive feedback that would benefit Jason in his skating career. It arguably does a disservice as far as informing the viewer, but I like to think the viewers aren't that stupid.
Also, I'd like to that Jason's flight to Tokyo was not done to avoid NBC coverage and that was happenstance.
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I doubt it had anything to do with it. It is presently Monday (on this side of the globe anyway), and the men's SP is on Thursday. Seems like a logical time to fly. I am however bummed at the lack of Jason-and-Max-goofing-on-the-plane pics like we got at Skate America, but maybe Jason's saving them for the end?
Yep, that's what I was thinking -- I was waiting for a Jason airport photo thinking they would be leaving today, LOL.
(And also those glasses?!) Somebody mentioned it earlier in the thread, so mainly responding to that.
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Yep, that's what I was thinking -- I was waiting for a Jason airport photo thinking they would be leaving today, LOL.
Alas, I confess myself not a fan of the red frames.
De gusitbus and all that stuff...I like them---but that's cause I tend to go for those frames myself, lol.
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I haven't watched the NBC video of Jason (or any of NBC's broadcast from Worlds) but if they're going to set up a narrative already knowing the results in advance, at least make it a positive narrative
I agree that knowing the results before providing commentary is very annoying as it allows them to pre-formulate a terrible narrative rather than just letting whatever happens shape the televised event. Does British Eurosport usually do commentary live and is that one of the reasons they're just so much better? How are commentators supposed to be excited about a performance and convey that excitement to the audience if they already know how everyone does? It makes me miss Scott Hamilton's yelling and he annoyed me for years.
I also found the 'Jason may medal here!' narrative by NBC very jarring, because anyone who knows anything about figure skating either a.) already knows these results from 2+ weeks ago, or b.) would know that Jason medaling in this field of Men is a long shot at best, let alone "realistic", as NBC stated.
This narrative was perpetrated by several members of the on-air NBC team throughout the broadcast. However, Tracy Wilson's comments were filmed in Shanghai in the arena as the event was happening, so her comments (while tape-delayed) were actually 'off-the-cuff', as she probably didn't know the results ahead of time. The rest of the in-studio team, well... I have no idea, but I would imagine they already knew the results before commentating.
British Eurosport does much of their commentating live, but not always. At Worlds this year, all of their Ladies and Ice Dance coverage was tape-delayed (although still aired within hours after the event ending). British Eurosport will often record new commentary during their 'highlights' replays of footage they originally showed live, basically making two versions of commentary available for the same event (one live, one tape-delayed).
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Sheesh. I actually stuck up for Johnny's commentary earlier, but reading these comments makes me glad that I completely forgot NBC was airing Worlds today (two week delay? eh?).
And very interesting that B ESP does two sets of commentaries. Maybe we can get Uncle Dick or Scotty to comment on highlights
And very interesting that B ESP does two sets of commentaries. Maybe we can get Uncle Dick or Scotty to comment on highlights
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I don't know what the exact words were, but even after Denis Ten had skated his FS one of them ( possibly Terry) said he was only 1.5 points out of bronze. Which was true after the short, but meaningless and really inaccurate at the time it was made, after all three medalists had skated the longs. That would have been the perfect time for them to discuss why it would be hard for him to medal without a quad. And maybe explain what Jason does well. And maybe explain after he skated that fourth was a really great result. And maybe explain why holding onto 3 spots for Boston 2016 is significant.
To be clear, I love it when Johnny will explain why a jump is unsuccessful. But both he and Tara could have done more to explain how an < or << affects scoring. They could have said that without the quad, his two errors were costly and explain why. They could have pointed out his first 3Z which got quite good GOE, or how well he did his spins or how expressive he was or how tough it is to skate after sitting for 45 minutes. Or mentioned how much better his result was here than at Sochi, or how much the audience loved him. Or how he had really built on his good showing at Nats. Or even how much potential all 3 US men have but how until they fix XYZ their chances at podium are pretty slim. But they did none of those things.
I really wanted to comment to them or NBC about this, but couldn't think the most effective way to do it. :disapp:
To be clear, I love it when Johnny will explain why a jump is unsuccessful. But both he and Tara could have done more to explain how an < or << affects scoring. They could have said that without the quad, his two errors were costly and explain why. They could have pointed out his first 3Z which got quite good GOE, or how well he did his spins or how expressive he was or how tough it is to skate after sitting for 45 minutes. Or mentioned how much better his result was here than at Sochi, or how much the audience loved him. Or how he had really built on his good showing at Nats. Or even how much potential all 3 US men have but how until they fix XYZ their chances at podium are pretty slim. But they did none of those things.
I really wanted to comment to them or NBC about this, but couldn't think the most effective way to do it. :disapp:
Johnny's commentary didn't bother me at the time when I watched - I liked that they pointed out the improvement in his costume, didn't incessantly compare him to Josh as to who was the better artist (probably b/c he was in 11th place), and complemented Rohene's choreography.
However, now that I read all of your comments, I see that for some reason, NBC must've pushed for the "he could medal" scenario and then when he didn't - they got all nitpicky and said it wasn't his best. I thought this was the absolute best performance I've seen all season of T&I with some small mistakes, no worse than the errors that Gracie or Ashley made in their FS. I didn't hear them nitpicking them, mostly b/c they knew that a medal was almost impossible.
However, now that I read all of your comments, I see that for some reason, NBC must've pushed for the "he could medal" scenario and then when he didn't - they got all nitpicky and said it wasn't his best. I thought this was the absolute best performance I've seen all season of T&I with some small mistakes, no worse than the errors that Gracie or Ashley made in their FS. I didn't hear them nitpicking them, mostly b/c they knew that a medal was almost impossible.
Jason had a better shot of medaling in Sochi. Denis was third bit Jason needed 168 + which would had been possible with a perfect performance. Here, Denis scored 10 points higher in the FS and and that 1.5 point lead, requiring Jason to score something like 183+, which is something he didn't even score with Nationals inflation, ha!
eta: Jason made it to Japan! https://instagram.com/p/1aoYYfzXM8/?taken-by=jasonbskates
eta: Jason made it to Japan! https://instagram.com/p/1aoYYfzXM8/?taken-by=jasonbskates
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Does anyone have a link to watch Jason's NBC LP? I'd like to hear these comments.... 
