Jason Brown

[karne]

And yes, I do think some people can't get their heads around the fact that as far as getting IJS points goes, there are, as my grandpa used to say more ways to kill a cat than by choking it to death with butter. Jason's way is both legal and admirable, IMO. So is Max's.

OT, my parents used to say "more ways of killing cat than choking it with cream".

Re Jason not being in ice shows, maybe he prefers to train as Rohene's new programs for him may have a high degree of difficulty.

I think perhaps it could be a resting issue as well. He basically went straight from the Olympic season to Stars on Ice last year and then into the next season. They may have decided to trim back the shows this summer so that he can actually get a break in.

Sometimes before the start of the new semester, I look on ratemyprofessor to see the overall reviews of the professors I'm going to have.

I would suggest not doing this. I mean, some of the reviews will be genuine analyses of how the professor did. But the majority of them will be heavily coloured by how someone did in that class. A student who was slack and got a poor grade as a result, but does not want to accept responsibility for this, might lambast the professor on such a site, for example.

Also, Doris is correct there are multiple ways to kill a cat than choking with butter, however, that doesn't mean that choking with butter is suddenly an invalid choice. The fact is that Yuzuru, Patrick and Javier are all World Champions (and have multiple World medals). Jason is not (nor does have have a World medal). Yes, the falls/errors are not endearing, but they do enough outside those errors to get on the podium. At Worlds, Yuzuru may have missed his quads, but he basically does Jason's program content in 5 jumping passes in the halfway mark. The fact is these three (and on-the-mark Denis Ten) are the next targets, the people he still needs to beat.

Well, the butter being a valid choice is an enditement on the scoring system, but that's a discussion for another thread.

I'd still rather watch Jason over those three any day.

Absolutely! Jason has a dauntingly large amount of work to do on jumps. I hope he will get at least one quad this summer to the point where it is usually called rotated!

*mutters* Flip, flip, flip, flip...



We will have to see a quad at the jump competition anyway. It's a required element in the Championship Senior Men's event! My biggest interest is which one it will be. I am sure that he is closer than has been publicly known.

I was rewatching some of Jason's performances over the weekend and thinking how far he's come in the last two years. His success as a senior was so sudden that I've wondered if that's why some people have had issues with him (not having paid his dues and all that).

Someone on FSU had, at one time, a signature line that said: "The Junior Grand Prix: Where skaters who 'come out of nowhere' come from". I loved that line because it was so perfect. Really, when you consider all of it, Jason's rise hasn't really been that "meteoric". It just followed a steady upwards trend - a trend slightly masked by a surprisingly poor Nationals result. He had his first year as a Senior at Nationals in 2011 at 16, where he was 9th and got his first standing ovation there. The following season he won a gold and a silver on JGP, won the JGPF, and was then 9th again at US Nationals. (For comparison, Joshua had been 21st the year before and was 19th here. Max was Junior champion the year before and 8th here.) He then went to Junior Worlds where he won bronze behind Joshua and Hanee. The new season started again with a silver and a gold in his JGP events, then a 4th at the JGPF (first 3A landed). He had a stumbly kind of Nationals, and finished 8th (Joshua had gone up to 4th and Max, of course, was Champion that year). He and Joshua went off to Junior Worlds together where they finished second and first respectively, and so then we come around into the new season and Jason is at Nebelhorn and then Skate America.

Really, his rise was not all that unexpected, if you were paying attention. Nor was Joshua's. Both of them had been garnering the sort of marks and feedback internationally as Juniors that suggested they would succeed as Seniors (in fact, that 4T landed at JGP SLC is still Joshua's only clean quad in competition). I don't think that anyone sensible could suggest they hadn't "paid their dues". If anyone "came out of nowhere" and didn't "pay his dues", it was probably Max, who went from almost-retired, aged-out-of-Juniors, Senior Bs to National Champion.

I suspect any suggestion of "paying of dues" comes from that quarter regarding skaters who continually mess up chances, only to come good every so often.

 

[aromaticchicken]

I went back and rematched jasons programs on YouTube from glacier Falls last year and noticed that back then he also "marked" his program with an interesting double salchow early on - - almost certainly a placeholder for a quad that they never added in. Surprising, since they went for 4t at 4cc, not 4s.

I think ultimately it was smart not to add it in last season, and let Jason grow reputation without it. Literally all everyone says is "once he has a quad he will be unstoppable", and frankly his PCS internationally soared this season due to consistency (of his FS) and artistry (especially the incredibly intricate SP). Look, Shanghai was his first world's. Even if he could do a quad, it's very likely that 4th would've been the best he would aspire for this year to begin with. But he got 4th even without it. That's nuts. He is going to be a real podium contender for 2018.

 

[el henry]

Praise for Jason (and Adam) from Ice Network interview with Tai Babilonia:

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/06/09/129528798

The excerpt related to the men:

"The new system...I don't hate it or love it. I haven't taken the time to understand it.

There are a handful of skaters who have figured out how to do it all and still sell a program. Jason Brown has figured it out. I wrote to Adam Rippon this year and told him he figured it out. He held us through his whole program. It's about letting your audience in. Don't be selfish. Give it to them, and they will give it back to you. Mr. [John] Nicks, our coach, taught all of us this: Play to the person in the not-most-expensive seat. That is a gift."

 

[TMC]

Does anybody else feel weird with all this cat-killing talk next to our avatars?

 

[katmari]

Does anybody else feel weird with all this cat-killing talk next to our avatars?

Good one!

 

[invisiblespiral]

Well, curiosity killed the cat.... but satisfaction put it back! (That's the quote, right?)

 

[dorispulaski]

:thumbsup:

 

[katmari]

Be wary if the cats come back with thumbs (That's Tim Curry narrating)

Back on topic, one of Jason's Japanese fans created adorable dolls of Jason in his juke outfit and coach Kori

https://instagram.com/p/3wpqCwQeCi/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo
https://instagram.com/p/3woUhrweAL/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo

 

[ice coverage]

... adorable dolls of Jason in his juke outfit and coach Kori

https://instagram.com/p/3wpqCwQeCi/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo
https://instagram.com/p/3woUhrweAL/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo

Eye of the beholder, but sorry, those dolls (well-intentioned, I'm sure) give me the creeps :hopelessness:.

 

[el henry]

Be wary if the cats come back with thumbs (That's Tim Curry narrating)

Back on topic, one of Jason's Japanese fans created adorable dolls of Jason in his juke outfit and coach Kori

https://instagram.com/p/3wpqCwQeCi/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo
https://instagram.com/p/3woUhrweAL/?taken-by=umiko_sotapo

The commercial is just too cute, and yes, all of the tuxedo cats avatars are looking forward to different metaphors....
I usually love the Japanese fan art and dolls, but I found these a little off-putting? Maybe it's just too hard to replicate a KnC hug with Barbies??? But I adore the work, even on the poses, and of course, it's Juke

 

[StitchMonkey]

Eye of the beholder, but sorry, those dolls (well-intentioned, I'm sure) give me the creeps :hopelessness:.

Don't worry, you are not alone. Though i am tempted to set it as my better half's desktop image to mess with him.

I will say the craftsmanship of the costumes is well done, but they need to not be on Barbis

 

[el henry]

Although this is the Jason looove thread, has anyone seen the clip of PChiddy's SP to Mack the Knife? I think I see shoulder shrugs, I think I see finger snaps, and I think I am going to like this program.

And I think I am especially going to like seeing if the same criticisms are leveled at Patrick as are leveled at Jason for what appears to be a similarly themed (peppy, tap dancing, upbeat) program :dance:

 

[karne]

Eye of the beholder, but sorry, those dolls (well-intentioned, I'm sure) give me the creeps :hopelessness:.

You're not the only one. Part of it I guess is that fact that the Jason doll is very obviously a girl doll, which increases the creep factor. The eyes are doing me in too, though.

Although this is the Jason looove thread, has anyone seen the clip of PChiddy's SP to Mack the Knife? I think I see shoulder shrugs, I think I see finger snaps, and I think I am going to like this program.

And I think I am especially going to like seeing if the same criticisms are leveled at Patrick as are leveled at Jason for what appears to be a similarly themed (peppy, tap dancing, upbeat) program :dance:

Considering Chan was all "blah blah blah Hanyu and Fernandez don't expand their ranges and do the same type of program over and over again", and this is basically the same genre as that Take Five program he reused for some heinous amount of time, I think it's going to cop a fair bit of criticism, but not for the same reasons.

Besides, the effect of Jason's program was added to by obvious connection to the music. That won't be Chan's problem.

 

[Tavi...]

Although this is the Jason looove thread, has anyone seen the clip of PChiddy's SP to Mack the Knife? I think I see shoulder shrugs, I think I see finger snaps, and I think I am going to like this program.

And I think I am especially going to like seeing if the same criticisms are leveled at Patrick as are leveled at Jason for what appears to be a similarly themed (peppy, tap dancing, upbeat) program :dance:

I just saw this clip, and the first thing that struck me was how similar the mood / music is to Jason's. The second thing that struck me is his amazing ability to fly across the ice with a single stroke. Wow.

I will be very interested to see if the similarity of music results in a more direct comparison between the two skaters. Most of the "who will most threaten Patrick's return" threads don't mention Jason because to this point, he hasn't been considered in the same league, especially without a quad.

We've now seen the skeleton of Jason's full program & only about 15 seconds of Patrick's so it's impossible to compare the complexity of the choreography. It will be interesting to see whether Patrick has as much complicated footwork as Jason, and if so, whether he can maintain that effortless speed and flow while executing it. Jason has improved his speed & flow quite a lot recently but not sure he can match Patrick yet.

For those who haven't seen the Patrick clip:

https://twitter.com/skatecanada/status/608731799091580930

 

[Interspectator]

I just saw this clip, and the first thing that struck me was how similar the mood / music is to Jason's. The second thing that struck me is his amazing ability to fly across the ice with a single stroke. Wow.

I will be very interested to see if the similarity of music results in a more direct comparison between the two skaters. Most of the "who will most threaten Patrick's return" threads don't mention Jason because to this point, he hasn't been considered in the same league, especially without a quad.

We've now seen the skeleton of Jason's full program & only about 15 seconds of Patrick's so it's impossible to compare the complexity of the choreography. It will be interesting to see whether Patrick has as much complicated footwork as Jason, and if so, whether he can maintain that effortless speed and flow while executing it. Jason has improved his speed & flow quite a lot recently but not sure he can match Patrick yet.

For those who haven't seen the Patrick clip:

https://twitter.com/skatecanada/status/608731799091580930

I can see a juicy discussion thread on the horizon. :dance:
It's too bad that Jazz is one of my least favorite musical genres. I'm crossing my fingers for a completely different free program for Jason.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Sadly I think much of any Jason vs Patrick comparisons are going include allegations of "inflated PCS". Maybe we should make a drinking game because I could easily see things getting amusing - it took about 5 minutes after Nebelhorn score came out to see allegations of Jason being the new Chanesq PCS darling. Looking at their PB, Jason's SP highest PCS is 4.57 behind Chan's and his FS highest PCS is 7.36 behind Chan's. To me that says Chan's PCS is catch-able for Jason with a quad.

I will be interested to see if and when he says anything about Jason and what he says, because there are some similarities in their programs and styles.

I will give Chan actually a little credit for not bringing Jason up just to bring up the lack of quad, he easily could have said something like "Well fourth at worlds did not even have a quad, so really only the top three matter" but he did not - he, arguably graciously, left out the quad quacking in an instance it was almost appropriate. He easily could have talked about the top five at worlds, which would have included his countryman - for good or for bad.

Then again do we know if Chan is planning on trying to get on the GP this season, or is he just going to start his season at Nationals?

And to keep this on Jason. . . . Postage stamps

 

[LRK]

I don't believe Chan mentioned Denis Ten either, only Hanyu & Fernandez, and then there was more of a blanket statement re the men's field in general (including Hanyu & Fernandez). But this is off topic.

On topic, however, I think we all need to be prepared for a very bumpy ride concerning any Skater Versus Skater threads. Just get used to the idea that, the more of a "contender" Jason becomes, the more "criticism" he's going to get.

Still, I'm a Plushy uber, so compared to what I've been used to seeing, it's still going to be pretty benign.

 

[ice coverage]

Jason is skating in the Sun Valley ice show on Aug 29.

 

[firal]

So very cute! Looks like they are having a good time.

 

[knghcm]

Could anyone help me understand why Jason didn't do a triple jump instead of the two double axels as his last jump for the FS?