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2015-16 Russian Test skates

I just saw the girls programs.

Lip: very good SP, but a little bit boring LP

Liza: very good SP, and I like her LP, too

Adelina: very good SP, but I don't like her LP. And she is a lady on ice.

Elena: I like both program

Zhenya: her programs are amazed me. For me she is pure art. Probably she will be faster on ice.

Pogo: I like her programs.
All of the programs need more time obviously and polish. But the basic bones of all them are very medicore. The music choices are so so to yuck. Adelina is my greatest fear. If she is injured - again - one wonders if she is the next Tara Lipinski flash in the pan so to speak - granted Tara won a world title first. The skating skills are not top notch of any of the girls but better than most of the world other than Mao. I actually liked Pogo music choices and there is something about her skating other than the awkward and poor spins that is interesting. Now how they will hold up to Mao and the other Japanese ladies as well as Americans is another story. I still think the odds are one of them will win a world medal - it would be hard for Japan and the Us to keep all the Russians off the podium at worlds. As for pairs none of the teams again really grabbed me. V and T have some nice finish but none of them had great tricks ready. I sadly think K and S may be done. They are regressing on individual jumps. I fear they may get bumped off by T and M though I would love them to win a world medal and retire. I think the problem is once they lost at wtt to S and K from the US it wasa the start of their end. Out of curiosity - if Leonova could skate for Canada in light of the downfall of Katelyn Osmond and it does not look like a great recovery could someone like Leonova be a Canadian champ had she been eligible. I read somewhere she had some distant Canadian ties but regardless I am just wondering about the depth of Russian ladies - and maybe the weakness of Canada.
 
I always found Tracy Wilson very informative, unbiased, professional and analytical. I think Tanith is following in those footsteps though it cannot hurt she is beautiful. There is something about the tone of Johnnys voice that makes him lack credibility. And Tara has a bit of emptiness. This is bound to happen some time when skaters try to make the transition to sportcasters or analysts. Johnny and Tara rely on personality a lot. There is not a lot of room out there for skating analysts or commentators. Think about it Dick Button and Peggy Fleming, Underhill and Martini, Sandra Bezic, Scott Hamilton, Katarina Witt, Jill ternary, Nancy Kerrigan, Michelle Kwan, Liz Manley, Tracy Wilson, and the list goes on and on - so many skaters and so few events.
 
Very, very roughly (corrections welcome :)):

"I always will remember this date!!!

The 16th means a lot for me!!!

It means a half year!!!

She knows what this means, but I know that I will not forget!!!"​

Thankyou very much, golden411! He sounds very happy. I am so glad. :love:
 
I always found Tracy Wilson very informative, unbiased, professional and analytical.

I cannot disagree more strongly about this from 1994-2001, and I can provide a multitude of examples of where she drew attention to the flaws of specific teams (sometimes incorrectly) and failed to comment or point out errors & flaws (sometimes glaring ones) in others. All of which had very real repercussions for dancers who traveled to North America to compete. I think Tracy has made great strides to become MUCH less biased within her commentary since then; but having seen the outcome of the reverse in a very real form, I would prefer she keep her commentary in Canada.

Moving on because it is not fair to high-jack this thread.
 
Thankyou very much, golden411! He sounds very happy. I am so glad. :love:

A tweak to the first sentence, b/c I should have been more precise: "I always will remember today's date!!! ...."

I do hope a native speaker will give you a better translation of the whole thing. Esp. the last sentence, b/c I don't feel sure how the two clauses fit together. Although the most common meaning of "a" in Russian is "but," maybe it is not applicable here :think:.
 
Where exactly are the videos of the ladies SP and LP?
Sorry to be such a pain..........
 
A tweak to the first sentence, b/c I should have been more precise: "I always will remember today's date!!! ...."

I do hope a native speaker will give you a better translation of the whole thing. Esp. the last sentence, b/c I don't feel sure how the two clauses fit together. Although the most common meaning of "a" in Russian is "but," maybe it is not applicable here :think:.

Being a native speaker I would name it as some unusual "poetic" text with occasional grammar mistakes like "на всегда" should be "навсегда". Then your translation is quite correct. I would just use "and" instead of "but" Being as precise as possible with my level of English I would translate it: "Today's date will stay forever in my memory. This number 16 means a lot to me. It means half a year. She knows what it means and I know that I won't forget" Whatever it means...
 
When Charlie still was an active competitor, I was never comfortable with Tanith's role as commentator on ice dance -- b/c no matter how sincere her intentions to be impartial, she is human, after all. Whenever I expressed this opinion on GS, it was met with extreme derision. But your Shibutani anecdote is an example of what potentially can happen even when one's goal is objectivity.​

I'm a bit shocked that someone would even think to respond to your comment about this with derision. You are spot on. It's called conflict of interest. Even big holdings don't like to have husband and wife, or even people in a relationship, working in the same place. When one of the Sky Sport football (soccer) reporter in Italy started a relationship with Leonardo, who was AC Milan coach at the time, they moved her from the field (you know reporting from the stadium when there were games) and put it in the studio to follow Europa League. She wasn't even following AC Milan but for them it was a conflict of interest. I think that was right.

I always found Tracy Wilson very informative, unbiased, professional and analytical.

Tracy is very informative and analytical indeed. She knows ID very well but the only thing she is not is unbiased. ;)
 
There is a recent interview with Mishin posted on FSU. Thanks to TAHbKA for the translation.

Liza will compete in Japan and after that in Nice.

Some parts from the interview:

OE: Will you be changing the preparation plans according to the competitions results and what are you expecting?
AM: We'll follow the same system as before. As for the results of the first competitions - am recalling my other pupil - Aleksey Urmanov, who won the Olympics and became just 4th in the Europeans a season after despite a very weak field. A successful season is a quest. Looking at the Sochi Olympics results we get a confirmation. Most of the skaters who did great at the Olympics went through hardships a season later which caused them finishing the season early or skipping it altogether.
The last season went great for Liza. She won the GPF, Europeans and Worlds. But we are keeping the same policy even though we see Liza is not yet on the top of her shape. So am not upset with the results of the first competitions - she should be on her top shape by the GP events.

OE: Last year Liza was the only skater to land the 3A. What are your plans this year?
AM: We set our goals in 3 years time, not just next season. Our goal is the Olympics and that's where we are heading. This and the next season not only we'll attempt two 3A, but we are considering a 4T. We try different things in the practice to get the skater ready. So far it doesn't work.
 
I noticed critics towards Ksenia Monko‘s execution of FD both at Golden Skate and FSUniverse. Maybe I just missed it but I didn’t noticed that anybody would wrote what happened to her…

She had defect edges on one of her skates, so everytime she tried to used an edge work on that skate she was in big trouble – this caused a fall and multiple mistakes.

After a FD skate Kirill wrote on his Instagram that he respects and admires Ksenia for fighting and skating “without edges“.

Ksenia herself wrote that she is sorry to fans for showing not good quality skating and promised to sharpen her skates… No way to be sorry, it was not her fault.

Kirill promised to show a video of clean FD as soon as possible.

By the way skating with no edges on one skate is very dangerous and can lead to an injury easily. Ksenia is a brave girl, she didn’t want to dissapoint coaching team and fans and she showed maximum what was possible with a defect edges.
 
I noticed critics towards Ksenia Monko‘s execution of FD both at Golden Skate and FSUniverse. Maybe I just missed it but I didn’t noticed that anybody would wrote what happened to her…

She had defect edges on one of her skates, so everytime she tried to used an edge work on that skate she was in big trouble – this caused a fall and multiple mistakes.

After a FD skate Kirill wrote on his Instagram that he respects and admires Ksenia for fighting and skating “without edges“.

Ksenia herself wrote that she is sorry to fans for showing not good quality skating and promised to sharpen her skates… No way to be sorry, it was not her fault.

Kirill promised to show a video of clean FD as soon as possible.

By the way skating with no edges on one skate is very dangerous and can lead to an injury easily. Ksenia is a brave girl, she didn’t want to dissapoint coaching team and fans and she showed maximum what was possible with a defect edges.

Thank you so much for that report sisinka. My respect for both these two just went up a few notches. Their fd is already looking the most beautiful out of what I've seen from the others, mistakes and all.
 
I was asked for some notes from Ice Dance Test Skate…

I was always criticising that Russian Ice Dance couples were not able to show at least whole programs in late August / middle September while American / Canadian couples were already able to show programs at competition. Well, there is an improvement. Russian couples didn’t show perfect quality skating, but the level of preparation is good taken into account we have just September…they can be very well prepared in time of Grand Prix.

All couples were giving those performances everything, it was visible. It is obvious that the fight for 3 spots at Euros and 2 spots for Worlds will be taught.

I am not sure whether it has some sense to talk about Levels, it was more a exhibition than competition and home videos not always showed every detail needed for clear decision of fulfilled criteria for Levels. And yes, it would take plenty of time, so I will let it go.

Great technicians stayed great. Step Sequences and Ravensburgh Waltz Pattern need polishing, all couples are able to show even better edges than we saw, but once again, it is just September. All couples were fighting with Timing in Ravensburgh Waltz pattern.

Monko & Khaliavin:
I am not sure how will judges accept Short Dance music choice which some people tend to rename into Juniorish music. But the fact is that music is fresh, playful and full of joy – so is the expression of the couple. I personally start to think that this is Sasha Zhulin’s little flip into a nose of those people who were pointing that this couple is not able to skate anything but drama… they were wrong. They are lovely in this Short Dance. To Ksenia – she was able to correct upper body position she was criticised for i past years (why nobody here noticed it?), her posture was very good and elegant. Great ice coverage in all three Sets of Twizzles.

Free Dance was full of drama thanks to defect on Ksenia’s edges. Thanks to it, we couldn’t get the whole picture of how the dance is looking like, but what is visible even now – this is a DANCE. Ksenia and Kirill confirm my opinion about dancing – even being great dancer, you need some years to grown-up inside to show the depth of feelings and maturity which make your presentation stronger.

Bobrova & Soloviev:
They are back and I like it. They are back and they are different than they were in their last two competitive seasons, especially in FD. And it is not about a different colour of hair.

Short Dance is dramatic which couples is capable of very well, we all know it, I like the original use of Romeo & Juliet‘s music and with Masquarade it creats interesting program. I would like to see a corrections in Katya’s upper body and head position in few moments during a dance.

Choice of music for Free Dance from Karenina Soundtrack was a surpise for me. Katya and Dima were usually using big orchestra music with drums and dynamic beats in music…this time they chose violin and piano… and they are great in it and once again the couple looks different than they were used to be in previous programs. Surprising. Nice Transitions with different hands holds. Beautiful choreography. The program looks more polished in presentation in comparison with other teams, but it is true that Katya and Dima are practising Karenina for second season (with breaks because of Dima’s injury).

Ilinykh & Zhiganshin:
Short Dance is another attemp how to make Waltz / Marsh more original. I like it althought I would prefer less side by side skating (with exception of dancing part in the beggining of We Will Rock You). Using We Will Rock You part for Step Sequence is risky (it is fast, you need to accept dynamic beats while doing proper edge work) and we all can see that the couple is still fighting with it, some changes in this part of the dance would be appreciated also.

The program itself is made for dancers who are very “visible“ and shining personalities on the ice with a sort of showy and entertaining attributes (in today’s dance field I can imagine only Gabriella & Guillaume being able to skating to such music and not looking stiff / strange / boring / unnatural etc.). Once Lena & Ruslan will stop fighting with technical aspects of the dance, the dance will rise as much as Carmen did with audience loving it. If they will be able to put all things together already at Grand Prix…well, if they want to be in GP Final, they will have to…

Many people wanted perfect dance with perfect choreo for I&Z and with Frida they got it. This is Gold medal material. What the couple will do with such material – Levels, mistakes, execution – it depends on them. Even now the dance takes you into the story, those four minutes are running so fast, it is watchable even with home video / low quality video. Choreography is very difficult, because it connects head / arms / upper body moves while skating, all done in one moment, which brings the idea that I&Z are dancing from the beginning to the end, without any “non-dance just skating“ movements…this is great.

Once again Elif touched the question of doing first two Sets of Twizzles on one foot – Lena & Ruslan are one of few couples doing it (if not the only couple). This option is much more difficult than Sets with change of foot. And you can notice that even on one foot I&Z have better ice cover than most of couples doing change of foot. I think that you are probably dreaming that with change of foot I&Z would cover whole ice ring from corner to corner, I can‘t avoid an idea that they really would...but I don’t want to criticise the couple for doing more difficult things than other couples. That is what is sport about – doing more and better than others, showing more difficult things. In my opinion One foot Twizzles for opening two Sets should be one of criteria for Level 4, I wonder why ISU never came with this.

The same with spin done on one foot, most couple choose option with change of foot, I&Z are doing the whole spin on one foot, which is more difficult.

I expect that judges are no amateurs and they are not judging first year to be able to recognize what is more difficult and deserves great GOE. If not, it will be a sad example of underrating couple/couples who try to push difficulty up.

I already had an opportunity to make a comparison with Chock & Bates and Gilles & Poirier‘s programs, both B&S and I&Z’s programs made much stronger impression in my eyes. I also take B&S and I&Z’s Free Dance much difficult to skate in terms of choreography.
 
Kirill promised to record their FD from practise and here it is…

Monko & Khaliavin Free Dance:
http://vk.com/figureskating_love?w=wall-64888695_27323

Ksenia and Kirill visibly like powerful music, and thanks to their presentation – they are very good in it. Dance will grow during the season, right now it is losing energy towards the end – if it is caused by not great physical condition or by small number of full skated programs…maybe both. Nice change of style in SD and FD – fresh and playful Short Dance, powerfull and energetic Free Dance.

@sisinka
Thanks for the analysis!

Thank you.
 
So who is the top Russian dance team? Are there two teams strong enough to win a third spot? Can any of the dance teams podium this year at world's? Are B and S another Domina and Shabalin with the injury issue?
 
So who is the top Russian dance team? Are there two teams strong enough to win a third spot? Can any of the dance teams podium this year at world's? Are B and S another Domina and Shabalin with the injury issue?

1. Unclear. 2. Yes, if B/S and I/Z are still healthy I do believe they are capable of getting the third spot. 3. Probably not. 4. Unclear.
 
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