2015 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International, Oct 12 - 15

[Sam-Skwantch]

It really takes away the mood from reading boards on comp updates when every single one there's complain about overscoring and skater-flation. Even small competition is being nitpicking at. Can't we just focus on positive things happened on ice rather than nitpicking on every single mistake needs to points out because the score given is not faaaaiiir. Demolished the 2nd half bonus point or banned the skaters from taking advantages and taking risk then maybe it will finally be at peace with simple and clean program because the skaters are robot. =____=;

+2 for you!
I really like this post!

Its really too bad because it is actually a very fun sport...... if we let it be :yes:

 

[jkun]

I wish Yuzuru would just do a clean chopin sp for once. It is my favorite men's sp probably of all time and I want him to succeed and maybe even knock down his own record with it..

 

[robredo40]

Nam will make his move on Hanyu at worlds , just like Hanyu did against Chan in 2012, he won`t beat him this year but will serve notice that he will be his main challenger for olympic gold in Pyeonchang is suspect in two years from now they will be neck and neck no worries international judges are already keeping an eye on Nam for the future.

 

[Mista Ekko]

about the music: i played this piece so perhaps i am more sensitive? there are also parts where it skips within a section without respecting musical progressions... as I said, I am probably more sensitive than others but for me, it's not a great cut.

It doesn't matter, We all have pieces we love that have been chopped up to 2:50, 4:10 and 4:30
This is figure skating you can't really hold it against just one skater,
They're cutting it and creating something new and functional.

Anyone else the UR call on Yuzuru's 4T is bogus?

Quad looks rotated to me, But it could be the takeoff, I can't really slo mo it,
Whatever, It's Autumn classic haha

 

[Mista Ekko]

I wish Yuzuru would just do a clean chopin sp for once. It is my favorite men's sp probably of all time and I want him to succeed and maybe even knock down his own record with it..

I remember making that wish after his second GP last season

 

[MaxSwagg]

I remember making that wish after his second GP last season

It will happen this season!

 

[Mista Ekko]

It will happen this season!

From your mouth to God

 

[4everchan]

ermmm i am not holding it against just one skater... i find some cuts better than others and this one is not working for me especially since the main theme of the piece is absent ... this is just my opinion. I like how he skates to it, which is much more important, i just would have done more logical cuts in terms of music... it's actually very difficult for classical musicians to watch figure skating for such reasons... for instance... I cannot hear rach 2 anymore... ARGH... they go from one mvt to another back and forth most skaters do that and it's very irritating... please, let's not put words into other's mouth... i really like yuzu, i like his skating, i like his interpretation to Chopin's music, he does it with very lyrical movements which is very suited to the music.. but i do not like all of the cuts...

It doesn't matter, We all have pieces we love that have been chopped up to 2:50, 4:10 and 4:30
This is figure skating you can't really hold it against just one skater,
They're cutting it and creating something new and functional.



Quad looks rotated to me, But it could be the takeoff, I can't really slo mo it,
Whatever, It's Autumn classic haha

 

[Khoai]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.
Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

Then why are you turning your eyes blind before Mr. Nguyen's flutz? Since when having a flutz is "perfect"?

Mr. Nguyen's Lutz has always look very suspicious, should have been called "!", if it were me that might be "e". But since he is Canadian so you never complain about his flutz and his lack of skating skill (super shallow edge) and Mr. Nguyen's 4T is a toe axel and should have been called, here they gave him +2 GOE.

The only aspect I think he has improved is the spin, but just a bit.

 

[Marin]

Well, why some people are always getting so sensitive when it is about Yuzuru, it is just senior B scores. As a reminder: Patrick Chan doubled axel and missed combo in his senior B sp but people never mind that he has got 84, only 2 points lower than Nam, Javier Fernandez got +1 GOE for FALL and his PCS were... , Uno was overscored by 5-7 pts as well right? For them it is always Hanyu who is overscored and they always feel the necessity to raise a voice for "fairness " lol.
Anyways Gambatte Yuzuru for FP :dance:

 

[sunnystars]

but Patrick didn't even compete in a Sr. B yet

 

[Marin]

but Patrick didn't even compete in a Sr. B yet

Souvenir Georges-Éthier sorry, but scores were interesting.

 

[4everchan]

you can't compare, senior B to Japan open to Georges-Ethier which is pretty much a local competition... let's wait for GP they will all skate at SC

Souvenir Georges-Éthier sorry, but scores were interesting.

 

[yuki]

Okay I get Yuzuru is king of the ice, but with a UR quad step out and an off-kilter 3Z getting 93 points?!?!?! Geez, even Chan was never gifted that amount of inflation.

Nam should still be 2nd but not more than 3 points behind Hanyu. I hope this doesn't continue on the Grand Prix... Top competitors (Chan, Hanyu, whoever) need to not be placed so high over skaters who go clean - I mean, Nam was perfect.

Can't recall you having the same attitude when it came to Patrick vs. Daisuke in the 2012 Worlds LP. I think it had something to do with Patrick being the better skater. Is Yuzuru not the better skater when compared to Nam?

 

[kimganos]

I disagree...This particular program is beautifully choreographed and was executed very well. All of his spins were level 4, all of his jumps were rotated, the quad and the combination were in the second half, and the points are the points. Yuzuru has a higher base value than Nam, so yes, the tes was fair because of the level 4 spins and the quality of everything else that he did beside the quad and to some extent the combination. Nam actually beat Yuzuru technically. Yuzu was just leagues better in PCS. Was it a little generous for a stepout, maybe a little bit, but nothing ridiculous by any means. Nam has improved, and his score was almost 10 points above his worlds sp score, and rightly so. tbh, Yuzuru had a beautiful program with superior skating skills, and fluidity and technique, so I don't really think this is a huge deal. We'll see what happens on the grand prix, but I'm not too astonished by this score.

Right on!

 

[Eloyse]

Then why are you turning your eyes blind before Mr. Nguyen's flutz? Since when having a flutz is "perfect"?

Mr. Nguyen's Lutz has always look very suspicious, should have been called "!", if it were me that might be "e". But since he is Canadian so you never complain about his flutz and his lack of skating skill (super shallow edge) and Mr. Nguyen's 4T is a toe axel and should have been called, here they gave him +2 GOE.

The only aspect I think he has improved is the spin, but just a bit.

I agree with you. Even to my untrained eyes, Nam Nguyen's 3lz was clearly taken off from the inside edge
He also pre rotated the quad toe loop too much but I guess the judges just don't punish pre any more

 

[YesWay]

I disagree...This particular program is beautifully choreographed and was executed very well. All of his spins were level 4, all of his jumps were rotated, the quad and the combination were in the second half, and the points are the points. Yuzuru has a higher base value than Nam, so yes, the tes was fair because of the level 4 spins and the quality of everything else that he did beside the quad and to some extent the combination. Nam actually beat Yuzuru technically. Yuzu was just leagues better in PCS. Was it a little generous for a stepout, maybe a little bit, but nothing ridiculous by any means. Nam has improved, and his score was almost 10 points above his worlds sp score, and rightly so. tbh, Yuzuru had a beautiful program with superior skating skills, and fluidity and technique, so I don't really think this is a huge deal. We'll see what happens on the grand prix, but I'm not too astonished by this score.

I agree with this ^

It's CoP/IJS. We must consider how/where points are earned, not just look at mistakes.
Mistakes get punished, but do not necessarily equal insta-lose or "unfairness".

 

[Interspectator]

To me Both Yuzu and Nam did excellent work. Nam looked very good, consistency will only make his scores grow and the have! All last season his PCS have been improving slowly but surely. When you see him back-to-back with Yuzu the judges are going to make comparisons about transitions, skating skills, upper body movement etc and at this point Nam is not going to come out on top. But he did beat Yuzu in TES and if he continues to do that his PCS will get a further boost as we have all seen with other skaters.

I don't have to get into Yuzu's strong points cause his skating speaks for itself and that 3A .

It's a very small thing, but if Nam would have more confidence just after his performance was done the judges may have given him a point or so extra. That putting his head in his hands must have made the judges think he was unsure of his performance...
Yuzu kept projecting confidence after he was finished with the skate, and while bowing to the judges and the audience.

 

[Sugarpova]

aw I so enjoyed both Yuzu & Nam I cant chose!:hopelessness:

 

[Marin]

you can't compare, senior B to Japan open to Georges-Ethier which is pretty much a local competition... let's wait for GP they will all skate at SC

Yup I agree, lets wait for SC :thumbsup: