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Yulia Lipnitskaya

Sam-Skwantch said:
Julia has already once packed up everything and uprooted herself once before in the name of figure skating and it paid off with great success.
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And she gave everything into it. She had no other choice. She achieved the goal, but it exhausted her mentally. I don't believe that her problems last season were because of her age. She looked the same. Now she doesn't, but her problems are the same. It is really sad to see her struggling so much for such a long time.
 
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Micha said:
It was Julia or her mothe, who refused. OK, it was their right. But I understand why he feels satisfaction now.
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Absolutely. It was their right. It's just normal that a skater tries smth new. That's why it looks so petty that Averbukh never stops whining about that in his interviews. :rolleye: Not to mention, that he said just before Yulia's LP that it "will be even worse" (than the SP). That was literally what he said, and it was plain tactless.
 
As for the Tara/Eteri thing, I just want some proof. I'm not saying Tara lied, but I can easily see it being exaggerated. If everything she says is true, Eteri outright told her Yulia basically hates Medvedeva. Why would she tell anyone that? Let alone a foreign commentator I doubt she is close to whatsoever? I want some proof before I believe everything she said. Especially since on the ask.fm's of many Eteri skaters they've been asked about this, and have always said Yulia and Medvedeva don't hate each other.

As for the Averbukh thing. The problem is not whether or not he's right, it's that it's embarrassing that an adult man is having a one sided press feud with a 17 year old. He seems to be enjoying her failing and takes it as vindication of himself. It's Yulia's life and career, he seems to have an enormous ego to believe everything is related to himself.
 
jg2000 said:
I don't think they were "not so nice," exactly, but I'd consider them slightly tactless, I guess. She basically said that Julia wasn't ready for competition or something; I think this was a while before the test skates, too. I don't really think it matters anymore; she shouldn't have shared it online but it hardly made a difference.

On the topic of Julia and Evgenia, I'd agree that it doesn't matter at all whether they get along or not, as long as they don't hurt each other or something lol. I don't know what happened between Eteri and Tara, but I'd say, assuming this is all true, that it was not great of Eteri to share something like this with outsiders, and that it was also rather bad of Tara to share it as well, considering it really has nothing to do with anyone's skating.
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When the Diana comments first surfaced, I said they didn't feel right, now combined with the Tara comments - its several times someone either Eteri, herself or her family, is saying negative things about Yulia for the world/press to hear...Tara has no incentive to lie about what was or was not said, creating drama based on a lie would be better served for her and NBC if it were the US ladies, not 2 Russian skaters, 1 of which the majority of people in her viewing audience have never heard of before now.

Neither comment really passes the smell test and the fact that the Russian fed had a sit-down with Yulia and Eteri, to me says something is up in that relationship that might be best served for all involved if it were to end.
 
borzaya said:
Absolutely. It was their right. It's just normal that a skater tries smth new. That's why it looks so petty that Averbukh never stops whining about that in his interviews. :rolleye: Not to mention, that he said just before Yulia's LP that it "will be even worse" (than the SP). That was literally what he said, and it was plain tactless.
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Do you think that they were tackfull to him? Did they announced him the end of cooperation in time? No.
It was even worse, wasn't it?
I admire his programs, and I like that that he speaks openly. I don't consider it to be tackless :-).
 
ajde said:
As for the Averbukh thing. The problem is not whether or not he's right, it's that it's embarrassing that an adult man is having a one sided press feud with a 17 year old. He seems to be enjoying her failing and takes it as vindication of himself. It's Yulia's life and career, he seems to have an enormous ego to believe everything is related to himself.
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You are exagerrating.
What he probably feels is that he was good to her, when she was in problems. When she insisted on Shindlers list and nobody wanted to deal with it. Julia was stubborn. He dealt with it, he was sucesfull. She was sucesfull. Where she would be without him?
One year later, Julia was stubborn again. And it did not pay off to her.
 
winky97 said:
I find it interesting that you have an issue with me accepting the statements as true, but you think it's ok to basically call Tara a liar.

I might be willing to believe that Tara may have embellished a little, but sorry, I do believe that Eteri shared that there was no love lost between the two skaters. Like I said, I don't see the big deal with them not liking each other because we like who we like. Not all personalities mesh. Yulia and Evgenia follow everyone else on Instagram, but not each other. Yulia displays photos of herself with the likes of Lena and Liza, but not really with Evgenia. I know these are small things but a little telling since they are in the same group.

Like I said before, I see no reason for Tara to make this up. I don't even consider this good gossip, so if this is the best story she can make up she should call me for help. Or maybe it is good since we are spending time talking about it. None of us know what is going and just have our opinions.
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I think I have given sufficient reason why I assume it to be more probable that Tara spread false gossip that works to her own benefit than that Eteri spread true gossip that works to her own detriment. It's the old concept of cui bono. I did so because I wanted to avoid making any unprovable claims about Tara and starting negative gossip myself. If you think I got the probabilities wrong and have some sound rationale behind it I would be glad if you let me have a look.

And yes, to a certain degree I did indeed take issue with you jumping on this bandwaggon so easily and take the claims for granted just like that. I hope that we can agree with each other that it is not right to carelessly support negative gossip, even less so if it could be a means of deliberate slander. We should be more considerate to avoid creating unnecessary problems for innocent people. "Beliefs" are not enough.

And since this is a fan fest thread, please pm me if you want to continue this discussion. It does not fit here.
 
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Micha said:
I think the same. And I don't understand the reason of hate to Averbukh on this forum. It was Julia or her mothe, who refused. OK, it was their right. But I understand why he feels satisfaction now. Do you feel that he speaks too openly? I don't, he never told lies.
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I feel the dislike for Averbukh comes from the fact that he can't help but try and tear down a 16-17 year old, and she is the one who at least publicly has been very professional regarding their relationship. Like you said someone on Yulia's team didn't want her to continue to work with Averbukh, a decision that happens all the time in figure skating, but he seems to act like it's the first time in history a skater decided to go with another choreographer and that by her doing that it was some massive personal insult to him that she is getting routines choreographed by someone else - I believe she made comments that maybe some time in the future they would work together again, but right now a change was needed or something like that.
 
Micha said:
Do you think that they were tackfull to him? Did they announced him the end of cooperation in time? No.
It was even worse, wasn't it?
I admire his programs, and I like that that he speaks openly. I don't consider it to be tackless :-).
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Well, that only speaks volumes about your own sense of tact. And doesn't make Averbukh's behaviour less mean at all.
 
Micha said:
I think the same. And I don't understand the reason of hate to Averbukh on this forum. I remember the end of the document about Julia's way to Sochi. He told how the work with Julia was difficult and that he admires Eteri that she found the way to her. How Julia insisted on Shindlers list and how nobody wanted to deals with it. He did. He was sucessfull. He wanted to continue with her. It was Julia or her mothe, who refused. OK, it was their right.
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I don't hate Ilia and I love his work but I do not respect his opinion and everything that comes out of his mouth towards Yulia. In this aspect he has been a complete disappointment. Starting to criticise when things got hard for her. When she was winning all was good. Whoever it was that didn't like the program it doesn't matter at all - and by the way Yulia's mom was asked by Eteri to be part of the team - because it was within their rights and neither Yulia or her mom trashed Ilia or the program. All Yulia said is that she didn't like the music, Perfect Sense, and the idea. This is what she had to say after the test skates in August:

The short came together quickly. The music, Bel Suono, was my suggestion — I heard it at Ilya Averbukh's show in Moscow. I like it, it's winning music, and Ilya did a very good job with the program. The short was easy, but we had problems with the free. After the Olympics, I didn't want to skate to something trivial, and I also thought we should postpone serious things for a while. After The Schindler's List I needed to switch to something else. First we tried the sountrack to the movie Perfect Sense, and initially, everyone was really excited about that, but it didn't work out. Maybe because I did not like either the music or the idea. There were some interesting details, but it just didn't work well as a whole. It just wasn't me. Now we are going to try another option, which both Eteri Georgievna and I like, but we will wait for Ilya to come back to hear his opinion. He has a fine understanding of music, he creates vivid and memorable programs, and we want to continue working with him."

Ilia wasn't doing a volunteer work and if the skater is not satisfied and ask for something else I don't see a problem with that. If he had a problem, which clearly he shows now that he did, he should've left and interrupt their collaboration. Not going on just to trash her later. It's not like she refused to skate to that damn program. She tried and she didn't feel it hers. What's the big deal?! Good for Evgenia and Ilia that both love the program and to quote Ilia's words in May, about the program and Yulia:

EV: Were you trying to change her mind?
IA: No. If the skater feels uncomfortable in the programme they will not jump. I.e. the programme will not look right. You have to love the programme.

So, why still holding a grudge and talking about it now? :shrug:

But I understand why he feels satisfaction now.
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WOW! What a great satisfaction that must be. An adult "competing" with a young girl over a program. That's very macho. :rolleye: The satisfaction should be that Evgenia won and she's skating his program very well. Not waiting till Evgenia wins and start trashing another skater, yet again. I don't think that's respectful towards Evgenia either. She just won her first senior GP and her choreographer is speaking how Yulia refused to skate to his masterpiece. That's childish.

Do you feel that he speaks too openly? I don't, he never told lies.
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No I don't feel he speaks too openly. I think he speaks as a bitter, petulant and touchy old guy fighting against a 17 year old girl who is constantly not responding to any of this trash and has shown herself to be above all this rubbish. The only real adult I've seen in this whole story. Chapeau to her and her mom!
 
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I don't think that she isn't responding to questions about Ilya But instead when a reporter gets to talk to Julia, they want to talk about Julia. When they talk to Ilya they again want to talk about Julia :laugh:

Poor guy :p
 
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Every single time when media approach Ilia, they are going ask him questions about Julia, because he was her choreographer, because he has professional relationship with her coach and because "Lipnitskaya" in the header for media is pure $$$. He isn't even working with her for over a year, but they still ask. And they will ask.

The only person able to stop this madness is himself, saying: "sorry guys, we're not cooperating anymore, I would like to concentrate on commenting performances of the skaters I work with".
He gives plenty of interviews containing 90% information regarding other skaters than Julia anyway, it's just interviewers know they have to ask those 2 question about her for the catchy header.
And he, instead of being professional (and classy), continuously feeds the trolls.
 
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Those of you who don't live in the US might not know that drama gets turned up to 11 in the media no matter where it comes from. I follow Eteri's group closely and have read through all of the Ask's and can say that what Tara said was not true. Do I think Tara approached Eteri and asked her about Zhenya and Yulia? Yes. Do I think what Eteri told Tara was word for word what Tara spewed on the air? Absolutely not. It made me laugh and lose a lot of respect for Tara. Here is what is fact straight from the people who skate alongside Yulia and Evgenia: They communicate nicely with each other and they don't hate each other. That's it. No they are not friends but they certainly don't act toxic towards each other.

Diana did indeed say that Yulia wasn't ready for the season but you can easily figure out why. Yulia said in an interview that she almost lost a month of practice time over the summer due to illness and injury. There you go.
 
Now Micha, I see your history in this forum and you have 9 comments here and 5 out of 9 are about how much do you agree with Ilya and Where she would be without him? The rest is how "sad" and how "bad" you feel for her because you never heard her saying: "I love figure skating, it is my life, I can not live without it". And how strange is for you that she and her mother don't say anything. And that you are not sure she can do something like that (win a medal at the Olympics) in the future and if she is, if it is worthy.:drama:I'm not sure why are you participating in this topic since clearly doesn't fit with you. Unless your intention is to provoke and troll. :hijacked: May I suggest you open an Ilia Averbukh Fan-Fest and you can express all the love and respect for the man, :bow:and all the sadness in the world you are feeling for Yulia :cry: in that topic. Thank you very much.
 
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Unite said:
I dont really like it, but not because it's "overly sexual" or w/e...but because its just a bit dull and the song is boring :/
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I like it because it's Julia! I have no shame or apologies for feeling this way! :yay:
 
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