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KansaiPJ said:
Hi all. :clap: Here is a highly edited, modified series of excerpts of Yuzuru's FS practice on 3/29, just before Worlds 16. Special effects and slow motion has been used to show the mastery he has over the art form and the effort he puts into each practice. I hope you enjoy. :dance2:

Yuzuru's (3/29) Practice for Worlds 2016

https://youtu.be/IO06lbMN_qk
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Thanks Kansai PJ! Great edition! It’s like a montage film. The tone of color and the slow motion were also nice. I can enjoy the beauty of his stroke, movements, etc.
Thank you for sharing.

BTW, have you watched Requiem at Worlds? I remember you agreed with my view about Requiem at the summer show. I thought Requiem is about the disaster and it’s the same as hana-wa-saku, but the taste seemed totally different. you said you had that kind of feeling comparing hana-wa-salu with requiem.

Requiem at summer had his personal dark experiences like agony and sorrow. His eyes were shining as if he were crying. Just sad, and just beautiful. You also saw hana-ha-saku live at NHK cup 2014. To me, Hana-wa-saku there was soft, calm and tender as if it washed up our hardships at the venue. He described the death and live with affection. I couldn’t imagine that these past weeks after COC, he’d got huge amount of criticism and suffered from a lot of fear and injury. Further, the performances at SP and FP were unsatisfying. He is the person who can bring that EX under those circumstances.
Then, at GPF after two weeks from NHK, he did.

This time, how did you feel about Requiem?
 
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I am new to his forum and joined it after getting over the shock of what have happend in Boston.
I wanted to point out few things that I was paying close attention to when I watched 2014 and 2015 comps. I apologize for lengthy post.
I watched a lot of Yuzuru’s comps and was amazed at what commentators were saying about him since the beginning of his career. I listened to eurosport, espn and russian Arena broadcasts and was pleasantly shocked at how without hesitation all commentators recognized that we are witnessing unique, genius and the BEST skater that ever existed.
I also noticed that after FP at both 2015 and 2016 WC, russian commentators were still confident that he is unbeatable, based on his program and based on Fernandes’s program that was going to skate the last feel that they were and still are as much devastated as we are.
I also feel that Brian Orser is the one that won WC in 2015 and 2016. Javi is a clone of Orser, created by Orser. And I do feel that it was somehow planned.
Something very wrong happened at that WC, and by no means is not Yuzuru’s fault. Orser was given and trusted with something that the rest of the elite coaches could only dream about and he failed. Orser is the one who failed, not Yuzu.
We were all taught a lesson that genius and beauty can be thrown off the pedestal because of it’s vulnerability. And I don’t think that Hanyu’s injury has anything to do with it, and it was not the LP pressure either. He looked and danced like he was betrayed - by Orser words to the press about D10 episode, by Orser spending more time with Javi…
By the way – how come Javi completely overcome his injury during his LP?
Yuzu absolutely has to leave Orser and the team. I am sure that Tarasova would be more than happy to work with him. After his GTF LP 2015 she said that she is grateful that after being coach for 50 years, she is blessed by opportunity to WATCH him skate and comment on his performance, although there is nothing much to comment on here – we just watched performance of genius (these are her words that I translated.)
 
InnaR said:
I am new to his forum and joined it after getting over the shock of what have happend in Boston.
I wanted to point out few things that I was paying close attention to when I watched 2014 and 2015 comps. I apologize for lengthy post.
I watched a lot of Yuzuru’s comps and was amazed at what commentators were saying about him since the beginning of his career. I listened to eurosport, espn and russian Arena broadcasts and was pleasantly shocked at how without hesitation all commentators recognized that we are witnessing unique, genius and the BEST skater that ever existed.
I also noticed that after FP at both 2015 and 2016 WC, russian commentators were still confident that he is unbeatable, based on his program and based on Fernandes’s program that was going to skate the last feel that they were and still are as much devastated as we are.
I also feel that Brian Orser is the one that won WC in 2015 and 2016. Javi is a clone of Orser, created by Orser. And I do feel that it was somehow planned.
Something very wrong happened at that WC, and by no means is not Yuzuru’s fault. Orser was given and trusted with something that the rest of the elite coaches could only dream about and he failed. Orser is the one who failed, not Yuzu.
We were all taught a lesson that genius and beauty can be thrown off the pedestal because of it’s vulnerability. And I don’t think that Hanyu’s injury has anything to do with it, and it was not the LP pressure either. He looked and danced like he was betrayed - by Orser words to the press about D10 episode, by Orser spending more time with Javi…
By the way – how come Javi completely overcome his injury during his LP?
Yuzu absolutely has to leave Orser and the team. I am sure that Tarasova would be more than happy to work with him. After his GTF LP 2015 she said that she is grateful that after being coach for 50 years, she is blessed by opportunity to WATCH him skate and comment on his performance, although there is nothing much to comment on here – we just watched performance of genius (these are her words that I translated.)
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I don't agree with pretty much everything you wrote but welcome ;)
 
InnaR said:
I am new to his forum and joined it after getting over the shock of what have happend in Boston.
I wanted to point out few things that I was paying close attention to when I watched 2014 and 2015 comps. I apologize for lengthy post.
I watched a lot of Yuzuru’s comps and was amazed at what commentators were saying about him since the beginning of his career. I listened to eurosport, espn and russian Arena broadcasts and was pleasantly shocked at how without hesitation all commentators recognized that we are witnessing unique, genius and the BEST skater that ever existed.
I also noticed that after FP at both 2015 and 2016 WC, russian commentators were still confident that he is unbeatable, based on his program and based on Fernandes’s program that was going to skate the last feel that they were and still are as much devastated as we are.
I also feel that Brian Orser is the one that won WC in 2015 and 2016. Javi is a clone of Orser, created by Orser. And I do feel that it was somehow planned.
Something very wrong happened at that WC, and by no means is not Yuzuru’s fault. Orser was given and trusted with something that the rest of the elite coaches could only dream about and he failed. Orser is the one who failed, not Yuzu.
We were all taught a lesson that genius and beauty can be thrown off the pedestal because of it’s vulnerability. And I don’t think that Hanyu’s injury has anything to do with it, and it was not the LP pressure either. He looked and danced like he was betrayed - by Orser words to the press about D10 episode, by Orser spending more time with Javi…
By the way – how come Javi completely overcome his injury during his LP?
Yuzu absolutely has to leave Orser and the team. I am sure that Tarasova would be more than happy to work with him. After his GTF LP 2015 she said that she is grateful that after being coach for 50 years, she is blessed by opportunity to WATCH him skate and comment on his performance, although there is nothing much to comment on here – we just watched performance of genius (these are her words that I translated.)
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there is too much need too be calculated, 2014 is the best time to leave, now, not. having a enemy know almost everything about you is horrible. when yuzu stay in cc, orser still has to think about his interests, but if yuzu leaves, orser will immediately use every information he knows about yuzu, to help javier againsts him. （like the way yuzu trains, Japanese tv has asked about that and yuzu refused to declassify. but who knows, maybe it already been open in cc）
i extremely unhappy with orser's words about d10 case like" that's yuzu’s temper, javier will not do that" what is the necessary bring javier into that case? d10's coach support him 100% when orser stab a knife at yuzu's back. yuzu did skate like he has been betrayed in FS.
but anyway, it’s not the limit of yuzu. he will keep developing beyond cc’s monitor. if yuzu team make the final decision and it is to leave, go to Russia is the best. they love him, and R&J1 will has some evolutionary great successors.
 
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InnaR said:
I am new to his forum and joined it after getting over the shock of what have happend in Boston.
I wanted to point out few things that I was paying close attention to when I watched 2014 and 2015 comps. I apologize for lengthy post.
I watched a lot of Yuzuru’s comps and was amazed at what commentators were saying about him since the beginning of his career. I listened to eurosport, espn and russian Arena broadcasts and was pleasantly shocked at how without hesitation all commentators recognized that we are witnessing unique, genius and the BEST skater that ever existed.
I also noticed that after FP at both 2015 and 2016 WC, russian commentators were still confident that he is unbeatable, based on his program and based on Fernandes’s program that was going to skate the last feel that they were and still are as much devastated as we are.
I also feel that Brian Orser is the one that won WC in 2015 and 2016. Javi is a clone of Orser, created by Orser. And I do feel that it was somehow planned.
Something very wrong happened at that WC, and by no means is not Yuzuru’s fault. Orser was given and trusted with something that the rest of the elite coaches could only dream about and he failed. Orser is the one who failed, not Yuzu.
We were all taught a lesson that genius and beauty can be thrown off the pedestal because of it’s vulnerability. And I don’t think that Hanyu’s injury has anything to do with it, and it was not the LP pressure either. He looked and danced like he was betrayed - by Orser words to the press about D10 episode, by Orser spending more time with Javi…
By the way – how come Javi completely overcome his injury during his LP?
Yuzu absolutely has to leave Orser and the team. I am sure that Tarasova would be more than happy to work with him. After his GTF LP 2015 she said that she is grateful that after being coach for 50 years, she is blessed by opportunity to WATCH him skate and comment on his performance, although there is nothing much to comment on here – we just watched performance of genius (these are her words that I translated.)
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I don't like Brian bringing up Javier for comparison when he was responding to the D10 incident and I don't like that Brian didn't handle Yuzu's weird condition before FS right away though he admitted that he had noticed it. But speaking about changing coach, that is too much. Yuzu just needs to have a talk with Brian and figure out how to deal with similar situation in the future.
 
huoyubai said:
there is too much too calculate, 2014 is the best time to leave, now, not. having a enemy know almost everything about you is horrible. when yuzu stay in cc, orser still have to think about his interests, but if yuzu leave now, orser will immediately open every information to javer. （like the way yuzu trains, Japanese tv has asked about that and yuzu refuse to declassify. but who knows, maybe it already been open in cc）
i extremely unhappy with orser's words about d10 case like" that's yuzu’s temper, javier will not do that" what is the necessary bring javier into that case? d10's coach support him 100% when orser stab a knife at yuzu's back. yuzu did skate like he has been betrayed is FS.
but anyway, it’s not the limit of yuzu. he will develop something new beyond cc. if yuzu team make the final decision and it is to leave, go to Russia is the best. they love him, and R&J1 will has new, evolutionary successors.
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He skated just like anyone else would, when they realize that his coach and his friend not going to be that much happy if he wins. And the truth is - this is normal. Orser is human, and he has his own preferences. He likes Javi more. He even said in some interviews that he connects better with Javi's style that with Yuzu's. Not a surprise, because both of them have exactly same style - 'jump as many times as possible and in between make lots of movements to hide lack of natural technique and artistry'. Did anyone on this board watched Orser competing back in the 80s? I did. I was Boitano's fan. Orser was not really talented, not artistic and he never made audience to stop breathing during his performance. I could never understand why Yuzu even went to train with him. Notice, how he acts during record score announcements - he shakes his head in disbelief. He doesn't understand what Yuzu does so special to deserve this high scores. I am not a troll. I am trying to do what i am sure many people did since april 2 - try to find the reason for what went wrong.
 
InnaR said:
He skated just like anyone else would, when they realize that his coach and his friend not going to be that much happy if he wins. And the truth is - this is normal. Orser is human, and he has his own preferences. He likes Javi more. He even said in some interviews that he connects better with Javi's style that with Yuzu's. Not a surprise, because both of them have exactly same style - 'jump as many times as possible and in between make lots of movements to hide lack of natural technique and artistry'. Did anyone on this board watched Orser competing back in the 80s? I did. I was Boitano's fan. Orser was not really talented, not artistic and he never made audience to stop breathing during his performance. I could never understand why Yuzu even went to train with him. Notice, how he acts during record score announcements - he shakes his head in disbelief. He doesn't understand what Yuzu does so special to deserve this high scores. I am not a troll. I am trying to do what i am sure many people did since april 2 - try to find the reason for what went wrong.
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I think you can have your reserves about Orser as a coach in general or as a coach for Yuzu in particular, but the bolded part is a REALLY WEIRD thing to say about a world champion, 6 time world medalist and two time silver olympic medalist. And for what it's worth after seeing both Brians programs on youtube, I preferred Orser in Calgary. :thumbsup:
honestly idk if Brian made a mistake in his coaching and didn't pay enough attention to Yuzuru or if Yuzuru was more injured than we know, or if the stress and pressure just got to him at the worst moment but to me it seems a bit pointless to drag Orser or anyone with no 1st hand info. I trust Yuzuru to do what's best for him. If he thinks Orser is not the coach he needs anymore, I am sure he will move.
 
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