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The Roy Jones Jr thread is now in Le Cafe...it could go to politics if it becomes even more political. This is, indeed, a thread for discussing current Russian Ladies.
2015-16 State of Russian Ladies skating
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Did Roy Jones became a figure skater? and how sideways here Russian Ladies?
So he wants to compete in Rus ladies field? Quite a hard thing he chose. Should have applied before 2009-10.
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Russian FS ladies would eat him for breakfast.
Voronov is with Elena Radionova's coach, Proklova has injury that may be career ending, so it is really Sotnikova, Sotskova, Pitkeev and Kovtun. Adelina struggles with motivation and Kovtun struggles with laziness, so it will be good for both of them to have anoth skater who is their direct competitor. At some stage Adelina will have to decide whether she is willing to put hundred percent into it, and the same with Kovtun. Seeing someone beating them daily at the practice may be just what they both need.
You don't know Masha's new coach? It is the same as Adelina's coach. And Kovtun's coach.
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What are everyone's thoughts on Liza Tukt's potential leading up to 2018?
I think it's possible for her to pull off a solid season or two (though not sure what season it will be. Will she peak properly just for Olympics?) But it's difficult to know what is causing her difficulties: confidence, mental game, stamina, other physical problem?
She was a wonderful World Champion last year with her on-ice charisma, energy, flawless jumps and 3A, but now if we compare Liza at her very best to Evgenia, I find Liza somewhat lacking on SS, spins, choreography, etc. I think if Evgenia stays strong, I wouldn't want to see Tukt surpass her only on the basis of the 3A and clean jumps. I don't think I'd want 2014-2015 Tukt to surpass 2016 Anna P., either. Liza just lacks the well-roundedness of some of the other Russian ladies at their best, IMO.
I think it's possible for her to pull off a solid season or two (though not sure what season it will be. Will she peak properly just for Olympics?) But it's difficult to know what is causing her difficulties: confidence, mental game, stamina, other physical problem?
She was a wonderful World Champion last year with her on-ice charisma, energy, flawless jumps and 3A, but now if we compare Liza at her very best to Evgenia, I find Liza somewhat lacking on SS, spins, choreography, etc. I think if Evgenia stays strong, I wouldn't want to see Tukt surpass her only on the basis of the 3A and clean jumps. I don't think I'd want 2014-2015 Tukt to surpass 2016 Anna P., either. Liza just lacks the well-roundedness of some of the other Russian ladies at their best, IMO.
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There were gossips that, after her epic season, Liza kinda relaxed a bit (which is understandable), by training less and putting on some weight - which made it harder for her to come back to form this season.
Also, I suspect Mishin is insisting on the 3A while with her jump quality, she could have some crazy BV without it and work on presentation instead (which isnt going to happen because Mishin).
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Hard to say because I'm not sure how much of her fabulous 2014-2015 season had to do with her taking meldonium. I mean, obviously taking a performance enhancer isn't going to do the jumps for you, but it probably did make it easier for her to keep up that crazy competition schedule, avoid injuries, and stay in good shape weight and fitness wise throughout the long season, 3 factors which I think contributed a lot to her success in 2014-2015. So now, I'm not sure. She clearly has the talent to be a factor again but the Russian field is so unbelievably stacked that no one is given the benefit of the doubt and assigned to competitions without earning a berth. It will be exciting to watch but as of right now I really don't know what to expect.
Mishin is insisting also on putting two 3A in the FS which at the moment it sounds crazy.
I think she should try instead to put the 3A in the old routine with her beautiful 3ltz-3T and the 2a-3T after the second half, that would be epic but maybe even more impossibile.
About presentation, she doesn't need difficult choreographies, ditch Lambiel and do something simple and fun to watch, something like Adelina's 15/16 SP.
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There were gossips? Let's be more straight: Liza just decide to enjoy life and her boyfriend. She trained just enough to stay in shape, but did not shot for serious competing this season. She will certainly bring her A-game for the Olympic year. That's when it will become serious for her. Medvedeva probably will take it easy for the next season too, she will follow the same path: just few Grand Prix and Nationals. IMHO, but we will see.
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The only thing I wish had happened is that the short from TCC had been performed at worlds.
Medvedeva would have probably broken both sp and lp records in one event. That would have been awesome.
I want to see a healthy rivalry between Tsurkaya and Medvedeva. Tsurkaya has beautiful(!!!) jumps and Medvedeva has the difficulty and the style. I think they can push each other to really take the sport further.
Med already is pushing the ladies event to a higher technical standard, which is a great thing for the sport.
Medvedeva would have probably broken both sp and lp records in one event. That would have been awesome.
I want to see a healthy rivalry between Tsurkaya and Medvedeva. Tsurkaya has beautiful(!!!) jumps and Medvedeva has the difficulty and the style. I think they can push each other to really take the sport further.
Med already is pushing the ladies event to a higher technical standard, which is a great thing for the sport.
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And this is where I 100% agree.
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Meldonium, although banned by WADA has yet to be proven as a performance enhancement drug.
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Whenever Liza is mentioned, "meldonium" seems to be a Must Say. Why is that? 
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Adelinas SP was sure fun, but I don't get what about it was supposedly easy. Jumping content isn't choreography.
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So, the State of Russian Ladies for 2016-2017 seems, as usually, very interesting:
SENIOR GIRLS
Evgenia Medvedeva - 2016 World champion, 2016 European champion, 2015 Grand Prix Final champion, 2016 Russian national champion, 2015 World Junior champion, the 2014 Junior Grand Prix Final champion
Elena Radionova - 2015 World bronze medalist, a two-time (2015–2016) European silver medalist, a two-time Grand Prix Final medalist, the 2015 Russian national champion
Anna Pogorilaya - 2016 World bronze medalist, a two-time (2015–2016) European bronze medalist, the 2016 Russian national bronze medalist
Maria Sotskova (I suppose she moves to seniors) - the 2016 Youth Olympic silver medalist, the 2016 World Junior silver medalist, the 2013–14 Junior Grand Prix Final champion, a four-time Russian national junior medalist
Adelina Sotnikova - 2014 Olympic champion, a two-time European silver medalist (2013–2014), a four-time Russian national champion
Yulia Lipnitskaya - the 2014 World Silver medalist, the 2014 European champion, the 2013–14 Grand Prix Final Silver medalist, and a two-time Russian national Silver medalist
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - the 2015 World champion, the 2015 European champion, the 2014–15 Grand Prix Final champion and the 2013 Russian national champion
Alena Leonova - the 2012 World silver medalist, the 2011 Grand Prix Final bronze medalist, the 2009 World Junior champion, and a three-time Russian national medalist
Maria Artemieva
Total:
2 Olympic Champions - Individual and Team (both struggling though)
2 World Champions (2015, 2016)
2 World Silver Medalists (2012, 2014)
2 World Bronze Medalists (2015, 2016)
2 Grand Prix Final Champions (2015, 2016)
Who do you think will dominate next season? Who will come back? Who will struggle?
What will be the Euro/Worlds team? Who will be crowned Russian Champion?
Will do Junior and Novice girls slightly later, there is so many talanted skaters!
SENIOR GIRLS
Evgenia Medvedeva - 2016 World champion, 2016 European champion, 2015 Grand Prix Final champion, 2016 Russian national champion, 2015 World Junior champion, the 2014 Junior Grand Prix Final champion
Elena Radionova - 2015 World bronze medalist, a two-time (2015–2016) European silver medalist, a two-time Grand Prix Final medalist, the 2015 Russian national champion
Anna Pogorilaya - 2016 World bronze medalist, a two-time (2015–2016) European bronze medalist, the 2016 Russian national bronze medalist
Maria Sotskova (I suppose she moves to seniors) - the 2016 Youth Olympic silver medalist, the 2016 World Junior silver medalist, the 2013–14 Junior Grand Prix Final champion, a four-time Russian national junior medalist
Adelina Sotnikova - 2014 Olympic champion, a two-time European silver medalist (2013–2014), a four-time Russian national champion
Yulia Lipnitskaya - the 2014 World Silver medalist, the 2014 European champion, the 2013–14 Grand Prix Final Silver medalist, and a two-time Russian national Silver medalist
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - the 2015 World champion, the 2015 European champion, the 2014–15 Grand Prix Final champion and the 2013 Russian national champion
Alena Leonova - the 2012 World silver medalist, the 2011 Grand Prix Final bronze medalist, the 2009 World Junior champion, and a three-time Russian national medalist
Maria Artemieva
Total:
2 Olympic Champions - Individual and Team (both struggling though)
2 World Champions (2015, 2016)
2 World Silver Medalists (2012, 2014)
2 World Bronze Medalists (2015, 2016)
2 Grand Prix Final Champions (2015, 2016)
Who do you think will dominate next season? Who will come back? Who will struggle?
What will be the Euro/Worlds team? Who will be crowned Russian Champion?
Will do Junior and Novice girls slightly later, there is so many talanted skaters!
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