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2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating

There are about 20 ice rinks in Moscow and several ice rinks near Moscow.
It is not enough, there is serious lack of ice.
Only Team Russia members may get ice time to prepare new programs without other skaters, at night, for example from 2 to 5 a.m. twice or triple.

I know that you guys just build a brand new sport facility in Moscow, its a big arena with 3 rinks under one roof. I think it's called Arena of Legends. It has 20K seats arena with vip loges, vip boxes, lounges, restaurants, big media cube, different interactive fluff with all other whistles and blows. Arena also has 2 secondary ice rinks for 3.5K and 500 seats. Which can be used for training or even small junior competitions. There are also a nice food court and a lounge for parents or visitors/spectators inside. Our company partnered with VTB Bank on this project. It was build just a year ago. And currently hosting the ice hockey W championship.
It came out really nice:
http://youtu.be/6Dw2Pp-qXBo
http://youtu.be/j7_1AsRafik

As far as I know they are already very busy with events, competitions and training. Averbukh's ice show crew made it their home base too.
http://youtu.be/kx2Rbaf6_k0

So it's +3 more ice rinks already. I personally been there about a year ago, when it was just opening, we celebrated with our Russkies. ;)

There is also a VTB Arena + a sport park are currently under construction in Moscow. We participating in this one too. We did some engineering jobs cooperating with our Russian colleagues and supplying some hightech and media equipment. IRCC current construction general contractor is an Italian company, they subcontracting a lot of Russian GCs. Arena gonna have a huge 30K-seats soccer stadium and an ice arena of 15K seats.
It's a juicy project, gonna be an amazing place.
http://youtu.be/FOl2Ap0ZP40

Plus it's gonna have a big underground mall right next to it, connected to a new subway line and new transportation hub, a big green sport park around arena and a big indoors training complex and a sport academy with 2 ice rinks, fencing, boxing and other sport facilities.
http://youtu.be/cWIzUHCbBAk

Additionally, a new residential area (that's why we especially liked this project, hehe.. ;) ) already are under construction there, so investors like us can return our money with quick profit. *cheers* We also building Hayaat hotel and business center next to it.
http://youtu.be/tt-YG1L3gUw

Construction gonna be done by the end of next year (in 2017).

So 3 new ice rinks in Park of Legends. At some point Mega-sport Arena should reopen after reconstruction soon, i think it has 2 ice rinks inside. And it's gonna be minimum +3 more ice rinks in VTB Arena Park in Moscow next year. Making it at least 6-7 new ones in total. I imagine that hockey gonna take a big chunk of ice time in those, but everybody share ice with hockey players, except coach Buyanova and probably in Japan. :)

So there is demand in Moscow and there are more ice rinks being build.. ;) Plus huge openair ice rinks in VDNKh and Gorky Park for gen pop, so during winter months public sessions are not that crowded at all.

Let's also not forget Kolomna and Krilatskoe (I think Butirskaya train kids there) - big speedskating ice stadiums, there is a lot of ice there too. :)
 
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"Additionally, a new residential area (that's why we especially liked this project, hehe.. ) already are under construction there, so investors like us can return our money with quick profit." Alexz, you are not only a FS fan, but also a great project manager. :laugh: Sounds so cool! :thumbsup:
 
If you look at those posts they are not generic Santa Claus or Easter Bunny wishes. They are actually religious and they specifically and directly refer to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

"Христос Восресе" or Jesus Has Risen is a phrase used in Orthodox Christianity to congratulate each other with Easter. And you return the congratulation by saying "He has risen indeed". It's indeed a generic Easter phrase used on all the postcards and congratulations in Russia. Same goes for all the other sayings she posted.
People would even say it to you on the streets similarly to how everyone would say Merry Christmas on Christmas Eve.

I am not debating whether or nor she's religious. I don't really care, I am just providing some cultural insights.

Edit: more about the phrase here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschal_greeting
 
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"Христос Восресе" or Jesus Has Risen is a phrase used in Orthodox Christianity to congratulate each other with Easter. And you return the congratulation by saying "He has risen indeed". It's indeed a generic Easter phrase used on all the postcards and congratulations in Russia. Same goes for all the other sayings she posted.
People would even say it to you on the streets similarly to how everyone would say Merry Christmas on Christmas Eve.

I know exactly what it means. My family originally comes from an Eastern European country with very similar traditions. People who do not believe simply say "Happy Holiday" and that is a common casual holiday greeting. They do not casually say "Jesus Christ Has Risen". If someone says that then the person is really religious and says it to another religious person.
There are also different degrees of religious content on holiday cards. There are Easter eggs, there are bunnies, there are blooming trees, but there are also lambs with a cross, there are empty tombs with divine lights and there are images of Risen Jesus Christ. Images of Jesus Christ are actually on the most religious side of the spectrum. Only few people use that.
Yulia's cards belong to the most religious category.
 
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It's perfectly fine. I tell you this: truly religious people don't say "I am very religious". If they say it then it's very often a facade and a social statement. Truly religious people even belittle themselves in their faith. So Yulia's statement "I am not very religious" (I would have to see the exact words and context) may be just a sign of modesty.
If you look at those posts they are not generic Santa Claus or Easter Bunny wishes. They are actually religious and they specifically and directly refer to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I won't read to deep into it. A lot of these Christian holidays are also social traditions, and even not really religious people observe them. It's like Christmas in the USA - you won't call anyone religious just because they congratulate others with it.

Ok, in order to understand why Russian ladies like to wear their crosses one need to travel and hang out with some Russkies first. ;)

In short, it's true about Russians paying huge over-the-top respect to their cultural heritage, history, traditions, religion and special care to elders. They like to keep these things in order to carry on and pass their cultural identity to the next generations. But in general they are not that religious. A lot of Russians start wearing a cross after being baptized in childhood or later. Interestingly, some of them (like 70-80% of them) did not even ever take it off their neck. It's a habit of sort.

But it's not necessary means they go to church every Sunday and act like our American evangelical or devoted Catholic Christians. They basically wearing their crosses around necks just to acknowledge their Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) Christianity heritage and traditions, not much of them getting so religious and self-righteous. They don't judge those who don't go to church and don't judge whose who do that often. Sometimes they go to their beautiful churches in the middle of the day just to have a break from urban noise and to enjoy escape in cool shade during a hot day. It always beautiful inside, like a museum; clean, quite, cool - a perfect place to sit and think, relax in silence for a little while. Only with age few might start going to church more often and be closer to God and faith.

In general Russian lady wearing a cross does not always automatically means what she is religious. It basically means that she was baptized and prefers to consider herself as a Christian, i.e. a "good girl". At least for parents. :) But it's usually a true for these particular personalities and characters too, as these girls tend to be a bit more modest than others, they try to be more kind and less vulgar than others (in their eyes). So cross around the neck for them is mostly like a symbol - "here, I'm a good person. I'm trying to live good, healthy and believe in kindness, etc". Certainly it's Christianity based, but it's not a blind devoted dogma of faith. It's more of a personal choice to be on a positive side of things. Heck even their devoted muslims are ok with eating pork and consuming alcohol, I personally seen many cases like this myself. [emoji38]

Russian church crowd is actually more tolerate to LGBT community, as long as they are not messing with their heritage and traditions. They tend to be more mellow on this subject. Unlike their dogmatic church officials and their rednecks. Yes, Russia has probably the same amount (or may be a bit more) of the their own rednecks. Although, I gotta say, I like to be a redneck myself sometimes. Who doesn't? ;) That's the only issue. Needless to say there is no such a thing as political correctness is Russia, so one need to grow a thick skin while being in Russia. Russian humor is a tough challenge - no topics are taboo. Heh. Everything and everybody is a fair game, and can be subjects of jokes and anecdotes, one need to learn not to take it personally and laugh along when traveling in Russia. ;)

From my experience of hanging out with Russians they are extremely loose about their faith, unlike Catholics or Baptists. They are strongly serious about paying their respect to their religious traditions and holidays, they mostly like to visit their onion dome churches only during big holidays mostly, but it usually never taking extreme forms in public. It's usually more about nice ceremonies, church bells, choir and stuff. Well, what not to love about Russian churches? Tourists are always welcome, although wearing shoes is mandatory. They also will supply you with a long skirt and a headscarf to throw it on top of your head, you will give them those items back when leaving the church. Just symbolical requirements. Men on contrary have to take their hats off.

Most of the big churches often are just nice museum. It's usually super interesting inside. No one gonna jump on you and force religious believes on you there. Sometimes it can be a museum and an active church only on special time and special days. Anyways everybody are always free to come in disregarding their faith or nofaith.
But oh boy, those church bells and church/monastery choirs are amazing.

My personal all-time favorite is St. Isaac's Cathedral in Saint Petersburg:
http://youtu.be/dEvXD8hN6Ps

Russians generally consider personal faith as a solemnly personal choice. Although after very breakup of Soviet Union during early 90's it was very popular, especially after those nearly 80 years during which any religion was not allowed at all. So now few politicians here and there like to take it to populism form in order to get some political momentum points for next elections.. But it's not a necessary always a bad thing. It brings a lot of positive vibes actually. Like recently (like 5-6 years) they made a habit to celebrate Easter in Moscow in a very public and colorful manner: street festivities, cute Easter eggs sculptures and art installations all across the city. It's a carnaval /slash street fest of sort.

Some fluff form my friends. Different parts of Moscow this year:
http://youtu.be/c6XE7W_wLy8
http://youtu.be/0y7H5ULgLfA
http://youtu.be/VKrYcuzT8ZQ
http://youtu.be/S4uFBrBmrjE

They also hold some special classical music festivals all across the country too. Gergiev always taking his Mariinsky orchestra on tour around many cities and provinces across Russia during Easter. They holding series of free concerts for those Russky citizens, which don't have enough money to travel far or time to get off work to visit St Petersburg and expose their kids to cultural heart and arts of Russia. Ya know, in Soviet Russia if you can't come to high-culture, then culture comes to you for free. ;)

Maestro Gergiev with Mariinsky:
http://youtu.be/Q6SI1XoN_lc

Christmas time is especially nice and elegant in Moscow. They have different dates in Orthodox Christmas. But it's generally the same. 7th of January or so..

Here are some fluff from my bookmarks.
Big openair ice rink: http://youtu.be/82WTJZH4Fr4
Ice rink in the park for youth and hipsters: http://youtu.be/eIF-vHXEVtc
http://youtu.be/vZ8RL1uzjbc
http://youtu.be/i-y6mRaKiVo
http://youtu.be/e9NOOhNfd_0
http://youtu.be/L5tn-tQNGeA
http://youtu.be/vZ8RL1uzjbc

http://youtu.be/pDyCFyD8NpM
http://youtu.be/pXZVhQqs-Es
http://youtu.be/p2pGes6GniI
http://youtu.be/TBNLlVc_vPI

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So here is my a bit lengthy (but brief :)) input on the subject. So at least we can understand and learn from each other more about little Russian prodigies of figure skating craft. They Iive in this culture, they love their country, they are exposed to their cultural heritage and traditions of many centuries at the very young ages. Certainly, they very much like to keep their national identity and have all the attributes which comes with being a Russky. :)
 
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"Additionally, a new residential area (that's why we especially liked this project, hehe.. ) already are under construction there, so investors like us can return our money with quick profit." Alexz, you are not only a FS fan, but also a great project manager. [emoji23] Sounds so cool! :thumbsup:
I just happen to work in a company which invests and cooperates in business, architecture, engenering and real estate with Russians. So expect next few Rostelecom Cups and Russian Nationals to be held in nice brand new arenas in 2-3 years. I just happen to know for the fact that Moscow region already have received or will be receiving a lot of new ice rinks. So Russian ladies will be having many options where to skate. :)
 
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Well, what not to love about Russian churches? Tourists are always welcome, although wearing shoes is mandatory. They also will supply you with a long skirt and a headscarf to throw it on top of your head, you will give them those items back when leaving the church. Just symbolical requirements. Men on contrary have to take their hats off.

Ah...that explains this picture. What slightly confused me was why the skirt was needed if you were wearing long pants. I remember being supplied with a paper skirt before entering some Catholic churches in Europe, but that was because I was wearing shorts.
 
I recall a story during the Olympics that an ice dance couple, I believe from France, had to stop training in Russia for this reason.

That couple was Pechalat & Bourzat who were forced to leave Zhulin's camp after Worlds in 2011.
 
Absolutely, tradition and respect to heritage are the fundaments of society and it's progress.
Julia Lipnitskaya describes herself as not very religious, but she's always wearing her orthodox cross and scapular in competition (sometimes she finishes routines with the necklet in her mouth:)), some girls are crossing themselves bofore the skate (Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova), then of course they have this beautiful tradition of preparing the skating shows for veterans on Victory Day and other state holidays.
Is that round pendant a scapular? I though scapular was a Catholic thing :scratch2: And the round pendant is usually a tiny icon of some saint.

In short, it's true about Russians paying huge over-the-top respect to their cultural heritage, history, traditions, religion and special care to elders. They like to keep these things in order to carry on and pass their cultural identity to the next generations. But in general they are not that religious. A lot of Russians start wearing a cross after being baptized in childhood or later. Interestingly, some of them (like 70-80% of them) did not even ever take it off their neck. It's a habit of sort.
You need to wear a cross without taking it off if you actually do it for religious reasons. But you are also expected to wear a cross under clothes and not openly because it is not meant to be decorative. Genuinely religious people frown on crosses being made into jewellery and "look, everyone, I am really truly religious" kind of ostentatiousness. It is supposed to be a private matter. Although there seems to be some kind of skater fashion of wearing a cross and and that round pendant openly (for both men and women), it's not something that many people do in everyday life. Maybe skaters see it as a good luck charm of some sort? I am not sure.

In general Russian lady wearing a cross does not always automatically means what she is religious. It basically means that she was baptized and prefers to consider herself as a Christian, i.e. a "good girl". At least for parents. :) It basically means that she was baptized and prefers to consider herself as a Christian, i.e. a "good girl". At least for parents.
Cross and good girl for parents? Considering how few parents are actually religious I doubt that is very common. And a girl with parents who are religious would be told off for using a cross as jewellery (a boy with religious parents would need to wear a cross too, it is not gender-specific).
 
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A side note on religion on Russia, btw.
Frequently, being part of ortodox church is associated with actually being russian. So you can easily hear from a russian that he/she is Ortodox, but does not believe in god, for example.
Many russian follow some religious practices not because they believe or care, but because it is part of their national identity.

So it is not as simple as it may look like.
 
Is that round pendant a scapular? I though scapular was a Catholic thing :scratch2: And the round pendant is usually a tiny icon of some saint.


You need to wear a cross without taking it off if you actually do it for religious reasons. But you are also expected to wear a cross under clothes and not openly because it is not meant to be decorative. Genuinely religious people frown on crosses being made into jewellery and "look, everyone, I am really truly religious" kind of ostentatiousness. It is supposed to be a private matter. Although there seems to be some kind of skater fashion of wearing a cross and and that round pendant openly (for both men and women), it's not something that many people do in everyday life. Maybe skaters see it as a good luck charm of some sort? I am not sure.


Cross and good girl for parents? Considering how few parents are actually religious I doubt that is very common. And a girl with parents who are religious would be told off for using a cross as jewellery (a boy with religious parents would need to wear a cross too, it is not gender-specific).

At many competitions, Plushy's cross would jump out from under his costume during his performances, and he'd pop it back in directly he'd finish his programs.
 
At many competitions, Plushy's cross would jump out from under his costume during his performances, and he'd pop it back in directly he'd finish his programs.

It would be easier for a guy's necklace to stay under the costume vs. a woman because female costumes have a lot more variations and lower cut necklines and women do a lot more moves that extends their neck/muscles that would cause a piece of jewelry to come down out of a costume.
 
It would be easier for a guy's necklace to stay under the costume vs. a woman because female costumes have a lot more variations and lower cut necklines and women do a lot more moves that extends their neck/muscles that would cause a piece of jewelry to come down out of a costume.

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdT_2eE9gfw

At around 4.00 he's putting it back.

Note: I'm not comparing to the ladies, because honestly I haven't paid particular attention. On the other hand I'm a Plushy uber, and have often noticed him doing this. I was really only speaking to the point of the cross being worn under the clothing by religious persons, and that boys/men would wear it too.
 
A side note on religion on Russia, btw.
Frequently, being part of ortodox church is associated with actually being russian. So you can easily hear from a russian that he/she is Ortodox, but does not believe in god, for example.
True. I heard that from Russians many times. "I'm Orthodox, but I'm not religious" is also very common.
Many russian follow some religious practices not because they believe or care, but because it is part of their national identity.

That especially true to their Easter traditions. Like painting Easter Eggs, Russians tend to go all out on this. :) It's fun, it's a colorful art of itself. Kids usually compete in egg tapping and presenting each other with plain painted or amazingly decorate Easter eggs. Although it's not really a Christian tradition, it goes way back into 10th or 11th century, when kids were running from house to house and proclaiming "Christ has risen" so adults can gift them colorfully decorated holiday eggs. Church bell-ringing and atmosphere of festivities hype all around. It's not big in western countries any more, but even communism could not killed this fun tradition in Russia. :) They are re still big on painting their Eastern Eggs. The Mr. Eastern Bunny is a big symbol in western Europe, colorful Eastern Egg is big in Russia. Russian Imperial Easter Egg was a Tzar's way with complying with national identity traditions, actually the whole world knows this phenomena as Fabergé Eggs now. Every year Tsar presented his wife and their kids with a new Fabergé Egg jewelries to celebrate Easter.

As I understood this tradition was born as some kind of Christian Halloween, when kids were running door to door and neighbors were gifting them with Easter eggs and holiday sweet freshly baked bread. I recently was explained how this tradition probably was created in Russia. Before Easter orthodox Christians takes a 40-days fasting, a voluntary diet and reduction from some or all food (for a day or so). It's some sort of master cleanse process and eating healthy, avoiding hearty food and big filling meals. It has positive value for metabolic system and health in general. You know in order to get in shape for agricultural season and working a lot in the fields to take care of crops and harvesting veggies. Back in those old times agriculture was one of the onliest way of surviving.

It's also important to stop fasting diet properly, as t should be done slowly and gradually, because you can't just go out and eat a big steak at Fleming's after fasting - you will just hurt your body. So during ages of errors and trials Russians noticed that eating eggs after long dieting is the best way to go. And since they did not eat any eggs during fasting period before Easter holiday, and hens were still laying eggs as their natural business, so Russians had a lot of them laying around. They start marking them with paint or simply boiling them with different herbs as colorant in order to give eggs some coloring to identify their freshness later on during holiday. Back in the day the red color dye was considered a huge chic because it's nearly impossible to get red shade naturally. So anything red colored was considered an expensive and celebratory (Red Square for example), including eggs. When Easter came, church bells were ringing, kids were running around the village. Everyone was happy, because religious fasting master cleanse was over, painted and decorated eggs were gifted around, metabolism and bodies of villagers were clean and detoxed after long lazy winter.

So that's example how some Christian traditions of celebration were created and transformed into some Russian national identity things. With importance of keeping a lean body in figure skating in mind, I totally can see how Russian ladies can follow some national traditions and take on fasting diet for a couple days around orthodox Easter to give their bodies a detox master cleanse even without being devoted religious Christians ;)
 
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That is not only Russian tradition. I'm Hungarian. In my country we paint beautiful eggs and in many other European countries, too. You can see traditional and modern Hungarian painted eggs:

https://www.google.hu/search?q=hagy...=qcA8V5n3H6uY6ATynoDQDA#imgrc=L_n68c03VQhMNM:

That's exacty what we do too.. :)
https://www.google.com/search?q=pisanki&biw=1725&bih=845&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwil1ICZueTMAhVJ3IMKHQPvBSUQ_AUIBigB

Coming back to Yulia: she didn't post Easter eggs in her cards. Her cards had very religious content. Very religious.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BE1xmlRELUm/?taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya

It's not even close to Easter eggs or bunnies. A person to whom Easter is bunnies and eggs doesn't post this kind of cards...
 
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That's exacty what we do too.. :)
https://www.google.com/search?q=pisanki&biw=1725&bih=845&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwil1ICZueTMAhVJ3IMKHQPvBSUQ_AUIBigB

Coming back to Yulia: she didn't post Easter eggs in her cards. Her cards had very religious content. Very religious.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BE1xmlRELUm/?taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya

It's not even close to Easter eggs or bunnies. A person to whom Easter is bunnies and eggs doesn't post this kind of cards...

Once again, no, it's not. I'm telling this as someone who shares the same cultural identity as Yulia and who was brought under the same cultural and national traditions. Saying Jesus has Risen or posting a picture with a cross online doesn't have the same significance in Russian culture as it does in other cultures, even Eastern European ones. During Easter time and Christmas my newsfeed on social media is filled with these kind of pictures. I realize it is different in other Eastern European countries (especially Poland and Serbia), but in Russia even those who are not religious at all would post them on holidays. Yes, crosses, doves and church pictures included.

I am not debating Yulia's faith or anything, just asking you not to draw conclusions based on these images. People tend to assign meanings to signs based on their cultural heritage and knowledge, and in some cases, they lack context and insights to do so. In Russia a lot of religious traditions and customs became indeed a part of the national identity and customs. So even non-religious people would observe them (me included). In some sense being Russian equals being Orthodox. With 80% of population being baptized and observing all the religious holidays you would hardly find anyone who goes to church more or less regularly or even knows a prayer. I know it sounds crazy, but that's what it is. And as Alexz pointed out, "I'm Orthodox, but I'm not religious" phrase is really very common.
 
A side note on religion on Russia, btw.
Frequently, being part of ortodox church is associated with actually being russian. So you can easily hear from a russian that he/she is Ortodox, but does not believe in god, for example.
Many russian follow some religious practices not because they believe or care, but because it is part of their national identity.

So it is not as simple as it may look like.

I did not get it. I am Russian and I am not religious. I just go to church with my wife and children on holidays as a family event. My wife is Russian. She believes in god, she wears cross and thinks of herself as an Orthodox. My children are apparently Russian, they wear crosses, they go to church with us but they do not believe in god because they are too young. Is it what you meant or something else?

I am not sure if you ask a person on a street he/she will say clearly what national identity is.
 
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