Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[tsuyoboogie]

OR he apparently doubled the 3lo...

Still this combination looks sooo pretty! :luv17: If Yuzu can't get around having a double jump in a combo, 3lz-2lo can stay!

Yeah, edited my post. Sorry about that. : I was blinded by the pretty~

 

[Rissa]

Yeah, edited my post. Sorry about that. : I was blinded by the pretty~

That's totally understandable....:yes:

 

[tsuyoboogie]

OR he apparently doubled the 3lo...

Still this combination looks sooo pretty! :luv17: If Yuzu can't get around having a double jump in a combo, 3lz-2lo can stay! Although his 2T with hands up is lovely as well, hard choice!

I agree! His 3ARippon2T is my personal favorite.

 

[gsyzf]

About the statistics of consistency I thought was different though, because I imagined they have to be based on falls and consequent deductions (no question of different opinons about them), or negative GOE for evident edge calls. Anyway, I am not sure about that because it is not clearly stated on that site (or I didn't find it).

Sometimes, a skater doesn't land a jump with great quality, but he still lands it successfully. If the judges are stingy, he may end up getting negative GOE overall for a less than stellar landing. If you only take positive GOE as an indication of successful jumps, that jump would count as a failed jump. If the judges are generous, the skater will end up getting positive GOE for that jump. The spread of GOE for the same jump can be quite big depends on the generosity of the judges. (Jumps with hand down can get positive GOE too). The edge calls and UR are subject to the tech specialists' leniency too. The tech specialists don't apply the same standard on every skater. Some skaters will get more wrong edge and UR than others because they have bad reputation. Some skaters will get away with edge calls and UR because they are judges' favorites. Judges also don't apply the same deduction on wrong edge and UR either. Some skaters still receive positive GOE from the judges even when they receive UR and wrong edge calls, but some skaters will definitely get negative GOE for the same calls.

I remember the jump success rates calculated by that poster are quite different from the success rates listed on those websites that used positive GOE as a measurement of success rate.

None of the men is predictable in landing their jumps. In general, Yuzuru's jumps have relatively high success rate. But he failed almost every 4S attempts for 2.5 seasons and he failed almost every 3Lz attempt in the SP in the 2014-2015 season. That get stuck in people's mind. Also, it depends on if a pop counts as a failed jump. Pops usually don't get negative GOEs. Those websites count pops as successful doubles or triples, but not as failed triples or quads. Given the judging system, Yuzuru would rather rotate and fall, than to pop so he can still more points. Judges don't save him when he makes mistake either. So his scores and placements can fluctuate a lot, which makes him appear more inconsistent than he really is.

 

[fireovertheice]

@gsyzf Thanks again for your detailed explanations .

 

[gsyzf]

@gsyzf Thanks again for your detailed explanations .

You are welcome.

I think his 3lz is less consistent than his other triples (not surprising since he placed 3lz as the last jump), but more consistent than his quads (also not surprising because quads are much more difficult than triples).

I don't think he has any weak jumps. 4S used to be a really big problem, but it got much better last season. 4Lo will be the new question mark.

 

[Marin]

I really don't think he will struggle with 4 lo as much as he did with 4S but we shall see. :think:

 

[xibsuarz]

I really don't think he will struggle with 4 lo as much as he did with 4S but we shall see. :think:

From your keyboard to the skating Gods' ears, I really hope he doesn't struggle with the 4Lo as much as he did with the 4S

 

[Hanmgse]

I really don't think he will struggle with 4 lo as much as he did with 4S but we shall see. :think:

Oh god I really hope he doesn't

 

[alia jackson]

Bringing this over from The Edge as it is Yuzu's specific

He considered retiring and taking a season off after Sochi just like many Olympic champs did after winning the Olympics. The main reason he still has the motivation to continue competing after the Olympics and is still willing to take the risk to upgrade his layout after winning all major titles and breaking WR is because he didn't win the Olympics with a good performance, barely won the 2014 WC, lost to Chan and Fernandez and lost worlds two years in a row.

As far as I know Yuzu has never considered retiring or taking a season off after Sochi. He continues competing after winning GPF/OGM/Worlds because his goals is not just Sochi OGM (interview at 11yo) but also Pyeongchang (interview at 15yo).

There were many Yuzu's 2014 interviews immediately after Sochi where he said even though he won GPF/OGM/Worlds, he wants to improve on his shortcomings, become stronger and push himself further.

2014 Canon web interview
Interviewer: Once again, what are your feelings on becoming Olympic Champion and World Champion?

Yuzuru: Nothing has changed. My feelings towards skating and my targets have not changed just because I won the Olympic gold medal. The Olympics are just the second most recent competition. As an athlete that continues to skate competitively I want to become stronger, to perform well in competitions. This is how I think. When the new season comes around, there’ll be another World Championships, and at a different venue, in front of a different audience I’ll give a different performance. It’ll be the start of a new season as usual.

April 2014 Chunichi Newspaper interview
Interviewer: Although you have become number one in the world you continue to say “I can push myself further”.

Yuzuru: The actor who won the Academy Awards this year said “The person I will be 10 years later is my hero”. At the age of 10 it would be myself at 20, when I am 20 my hero would be myself at 30. I was touched by that actor’s words, and I think this is a mindset that would allow one to remain steadfast.

As a skater maybe I would have retired 10 years down the road, but its good to think just one year or half a year ahead. That person I would become by then would be stronger mentally and physically.

Interviewer: As you move forward will your ideals change again?

Yuzuru: To put it simply the distance from my ideal has not shortened. Although I have yet to reach it, winning competitions as part of the process gives me a small sense of achievement. I think I would like to experience a big sense of achievement. Once a target has been set, to have reached it would be to have expended everything.

Even at the time I won the Olympic gold medal I already have another target in a separate place. Pyeongchang awaits. The happiness and joy of being able to do my best would enhance me, wouldn’t it?

Interviewer: In what ways do you want to grow next season?

Yuzuru: I still have too many shortcomings. I will turn 20 this year and the competitive seasons I have left are really numbered. As it will come to an end if I get injured, I want to stay healthy and day by day, just work hard to be able to expand myself in the future.

 

[alia jackson]

He said in his new book that he considered retiring after sochi. He said in an interview that he considered taking a season off when he had back pain before the 2014-2015 season.

In the new book, he said he considered retiring after sochi because he was burnt out.

I never came across any link/translation on this. Could you provide the link where you get this info from, thank you.

 

[riminin]

Let me translate the part on page 276 in his new book.

-After the Olympic season he was burned out and once considered retiring but now he still enjoys doing competitions. "After all I don't think I could have ever retired (after the Olympic season)..."-

So it's not exactly presented as his own words. Yet the book is approved by himself.

 

[skatefan22]

I never came across any link/translation on this. Could you provide the link where you get this info from, thank you.

I think translation of his new book will come out soon. People who have read it confirmed that after Sochi, Yuzu has considered retiring because he felt burnt out.

Yuzu's new book indeed provides lots of insight in his career and life. For example, he reveals Brian's different coaching methods to him and Javier. While Brian takes care of every detail of Javier's training, he will just occasionally check on how Yuzu is doing. Most of the time, it is Yuzu practicing by himself. Yuzu describes Brian's method to him as grazing.

 

[liv]

I eagerly await translations.

I think it is very common athletes to feel burned out after the Olympics. You go from intense training to the ultimate high and then a big low. I think it happens in most sports, it us just some get over it more quickly than others, which is normal too. I am very glad he stuck around and I could say that 25x and it would still not be enough.

Ah, so yuzu is the disciplined one and javi needs constant supervision. No surprise there. Yuzu has always been self motivated and independent, while brian really turned javi's career around.

 

[Sorrento]

Yuzu describes Brian's method to him as grazing.

Umm, what does it mean?

 

[wookchub]

Grazing haha that's an interesting way of putting it. I think maybe he means that Brian will spend a long, structured time with Javi. However Brian is able to sort of let Yuzuru do his practice and he'll check in with him frequently throughout, but without having to constantly monitor him. Like others have said, I think Javi needs a strict coach and Yuzuru is able to work on his own

 

[liv]

Grazing, lol. Yes, think of a cow in a field, eating some grass here, a little bit more there... and brian is the same...saying a few things to this student, then saying a few things to another student.... going around the skaters in the rink like a cow eats in a field.

 

[alia jackson]

Thanks for the info. I remembered he did talk about being stretched to the limit like a rubber band after Sochi, he practically has no rest with many ice shows, events, sponsors obligation, commercials etc.

Even Buttle Chopin choreo take this situation into account "I went through Chopin's musical catalog and ultimately found ["Ballade No.1"]. It's not an unknown piece, but when I listened to it, I thought it almost comes in waves. I thought about [Hanyu] and how after the Olympics he was pulled in every direction, and I think the music was reflective of how he was so busy off the ice, but when he was on the ice, this was his place. It was very peaceful and mature."

I feel that the Sochi retiring is more like a passing thoughts due to the burned out. In this interview he said "I think, probably, I was burned out after the season ended. But, because there was an ice show only three days after the Worlds, (including other events) and I had other work as well, I did not realize that I was burned out. At ice shows, everyone in the audience would welcome me as the Olympic champion..... After experiencing this, motivation to 'work hard' started to boil. For the first time, I felt I was able to show my true self."

 

[Sorrento]

I'd use "touch ups" though I'm not sure if that is enough to describe his input into coaching process.

Grazing, lol. Yes, think of a cow in a field, eating some grass here, a little bit more there... and brian is the same...saying a few things to this student, then saying a few things to another student.... going around the skaters in the rink like a cow eats in a field.

 

[Sorrento]

I have always thought Yuzu wanted to do two Olympics. Sure he felt burnt out after first Olympic season- that was very long and tiresome. And with all the of the summer shows that followed it seemed like it never ended and went into the next one, like, immedately.