Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Sorrento]

Latest from Jeffrey Buttle: "Just wrapped up a week of working with 3 Olympic champions. Bananas!!! So much talent." https://twitter.com/J_Butt/status/756957816980697088
Where's my dancing banana?

 

[liv]

Aw, c'mon jeff, name them!!!

 

[mcq]

Latest from Jeffrey Buttle: "Just wrapped up a week of working with 3 Olympic champions. Bananas!!! So much talent." https://twitter.com/J_Butt/status/756957816980697088
Where's my dancing banana?

Ok, Yuzuru and... who is the other 2? I don't think he choreo for V/T or V/M or is it show choreo for past champions?

 

[Sorrento]

Could be some Team Oly champions too btw. No idea. Pretty sure Yuzu is one of meant but not mentioned.

Ok, Yuzuru and... who is the other 2? I don't think he choreo for V/T or V/M or is it show choreo for past champions?

 

[Marin]

could be team gold medals, Stolbova/Klimov or Yulia...why not V/T btw? maybe the ex for Maryl and Charlie?

 

[mcq]

Could be some Team Oly champions too btw. No idea. Pretty sure Yuzu is one of meant but not mentioned.

Oh right, I forgot that event even happened
So someone from Team Russia probably

could be team gold medals, Stolbova/Klimov or Yulia...why not V/T btw? maybe the ex for Maryl and Charlie?

I don't know I thought they (v/t) sit out this season, I am not so sure now.

 

[liv]

Or V/M?

 

[Marin]

Oh right, I forgot that event even happened
So someone from Team Russia probably


I don't know I thought they (v/t) sit out this season, I am not so sure now.

V/T are skipping only GP series, they will compete at nats euros wc..

 

[Sorrento]

Oh right, I forgot that event even happened
So someone from Team Russia probably

Virtue-Moir btw, could be them.

 

[gsyzf]

I actually calculate the maximum BV (if all level 4) of both layout, do correct me if my calculation is wrong

Layout A :
4Lo (12) 4T (10.3) 3F (5.1) 4S3Tx (10.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A3Tx (8.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A1Lo3Sx (14.74) 3Lox (5.61) 3Lzx (6.6)
+ StSq4 (3.9) FcCo3Sp4 (3.5)FcSSp4 (3) CCoSp4 (3.5) ChSq (2)
= 100.81

Layout B :
4Lo (12) 4T (10.3) 3F (5.1) 4Sx (10.5x1.1) 3Lz3Lox (6+5.1 x1.1) 3A3Tx (8.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A1Lo3Sx (14.74) 3Lzx (6.6)
+ StSq4 (3.9) FcCo3Sp4 (3.5)FcSSp4 (3) CCoSp4 (3.5) ChSq (2)
= 102.68



P.S : The difference of putting between 3T and 3Lz is about 2 point BV, I don't know if it is worth it enough to do 3Lz3Lo instead of 3A3T to add an extra +/- 2 BV.
Meanwhile, as comparison, Boyang Jin has around 103.7 as his maximun BV for his WC layout. Yuzuru can come close to it (102.6) without adding a 4th quad only by replacing one of his 4T to 4Lo, IF he does 3Lz3Lo or (100+) if he does 3A3T and 4S3T. His old maximum BV is about 95+

If he can execute layout B with good quality, then it's worth that extra 2 points. Plan B shows more variety of jump combinations than layout A. But if he can't execute plan B with good quality, then it's not worth the extra 2 points in BV. Doing two 4Lo requires him to be very consistent with 4Lo. I don't think that's realistic given he just starts including 4Lo in his program. He needs to get the highest BV possible. Don't give judges any excuse to deny him gold.

 

[mcq]

V/T are skipping only GP series, they will compete at nats euros wc..

Ah I see, thank you for clarifying.

Virtue-Moir btw, could be them.

Ah yes, it could be them too

If he can execute layout B with good quality, then it's worth that extra 2 points. Plan B shows more variety of jump combinations than layout A. But if he can't execute plan B with good quality, then it's not worth the extra 2 points in BV. Doing two 4Lo requires him to be very consistent with 4Lo. I don't think that's realistic given he just starts including 4Lo in his program. He needs to get the highest BV possible. Don't give judges any excuse to deny him gold.

Well, if he indeed eventually decide to add 4Lo, at least he would have an increase of BV of +/- 5 pts, that is for sure. I doubt he will remove 4T completely from his layout. It was also his money jump and not including it could lead to his losing that jump. Either way, excited for the new season

 

[Rissa]

I actually calculate the maximum BV (if all level 4) of both layout, do correct me if my calculation is wrong

Layout A :
4Lo (12) 4T (10.3) 3F (5.1) 4S3Tx (10.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A3Tx (8.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A1Lo3Sx (14.74) 3Lox (5.61) 3Lzx (6.6)
+ StSq4 (3.9) FcCo3Sp4 (3.5)FcSSp4 (3) CCoSp4 (3.5) ChSq (2)
= 100.81

Layout B :
4Lo (12) 4T (10.3) 3F (5.1) 4Sx (10.5x1.1) 3Lz3Lox (6+5.1 x1.1) 3A3Tx (8.5+4.3 x1.1) 3A1Lo3Sx (14.74) 3Lzx (6.6)
+ StSq4 (3.9) FcCo3Sp4 (3.5)FcSSp4 (3) CCoSp4 (3.5) ChSq (2)
= 102.68



P.S : The difference of putting between 3T and 3Lz is about 2 point BV, I don't know if it is worth it enough to do 3Lz3Lo instead of 3A3T to add an extra +/- 2 BV.
Meanwhile, as comparison, Boyang Jin has around 103.7 as his maximun BV for his WC layout. Yuzuru can come close to it (102.6) without adding a 4th quad only by replacing one of his 4T to 4Lo, IF he does 3Lz3Lo or (100+) if he does 3A3T and 4S3T. His old maximum BV is about 95+

Still, there's the danger of popping the 4T into 3T, so then either zayaking or switching one of the combos to 2T. BV drops significantly either way. -3Lo combo is quite safe if Yuzu can do it.

 

[won0066]

HI everyone:

Just posted a new blog entry. Can't wait for the season to get started!!!

https://sportymags.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/yuzuru-hanyu-team-hanyu/

 

[gsyzf]

Still, there's the danger of popping the 4T into 3T, so then either zayaking or switching one of the combos to 2T. BV drops significantly either way. -3Lo combo is quite safe if Yuzu can do it.

More variety of jumps/jump combos reduce the risk of zayaking. I think it's a question of 3lz3lo vs 3lo, not 3lz3lo vs 3a3t. If he can get higher goe (at least not lower) for 3lz3lo than solo 3lo, then it's worth doing 3lz3lo. He doesn't get very high goe for his solo 3lo anyway. I see more benefits of doing 3lz3lo than 3a3t.

 

[mcq]

Still, there's the danger of popping the 4T into 3T, so then either zayaking or switching one of the combos to 2T. BV drops significantly either way. -3Lo combo is quite safe if Yuzu can do it.

If he pops the 4T in the B layout he will also zayak since he will do 2 3A, 3Lz and 3T, right? So he still has to double the 3T combo too? I think the other upside of layout B is he doesn't have to do a quad combo which will put less stress on his feet (I assumed) and give him the chance to earn max GOE The question is if he will have a high success rate for 3Lz3Lo.

 

[gsyzf]

If he pops the 4T in the B layout he will also zayak since he will do 2 3A, 3Lz and 3T, right? So he still has to double the 3T combo too? I think the other upside of layout B is he doesn't have to do a quad combo which will put less stress on his feet (I assumed) and give him the chance to earn max GOE

He only does one 3t in plan B. So if he pops 4t to 3t, he wouldn't zayak. He can do quad combo 4s3t in plan B too.

 

[mcq]

He only does one 3t in plan B. So if he pops 4t to 3t, he wouldn't zayak. He can do quad combo in plan B too.

If he pops 4T to 3T he wil do 3T twice, 3A twice and 3Lz twice. Is that allowed? I thought you are only allowed to repeat 2 triple jumps?

 

[gsyzf]

If he pops 4T to 3T he wil do 3T twice, 3A twice and 3Lz twice. Is that allowed? I thought you are only allowed to repeat 2 triple jumps?

Then he would need to change the 2nd 3t to 2t. In plan A, he would need to change the 3rd 3t to 2t.

 

[Rissa]

If he pops the 4T in the B layout he will also zayak since he will do 2 3A, 3Lz and 3T, right? So he still has to double the 3T combo too? I think the other upside of layout B is he doesn't have to do a quad combo which will put less stress on his feet (I assumed) and give him the chance to earn max GOE The question is if he will have a high success rate for 3Lz3Lo.

Yup, you're right.:hslap: I fail at counting.

So I guess popping for Yuzu might get disatrous either way. It's a good thing that he seems accustomed to taking it into consideration and quickly switching to 2T when necessary.

 

[mcq]

Yup, you're right.:hslap: I fail at counting.

Then he would need to change the 2nd 3t to 2t. In plan A, he would need to change the 3rd 3t to 2t.

Yeah, i think the zayak risk is about the same for both layout. Layout A seems to be safer for him now, I think? Since if he includes 4Lo he will need to get use to the layout too. So if he does 3Lz3Lo +4Lo it will be like having to get used to 2 new types of jumps he is not accustomed to yet.