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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

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gsyzf said:
Pressure has bigger impact on him than health because he is always going for the most risky programs, and he is much more talented than others, and he is not someone who is afraid of pain. If he is untalented, not many people would care if he does poorly. Because he is so talented, people are very disappointed when he performs poorly. Also because the programs are very risky, too much pressure can throw the performance off significantly.

As a top skater, injury is really not an excuse for sub-par performances. Injuries happen all the time to everyone. If a skater decides to compete, he is responsible for his performances. Non-fans will not accept injuries as excuses. I never use injuries to excuse any of his sub-par performances (except his LP at COC). It's not good to always use injuries to justify his sub-par performances. Humans cannot withstand too much pressure no matter how hard he tries. It does require luck to win the most important championships. Every skater wants to peak at the most important championships, why can't they? Only a handful can in the entire history of figure skating. Even the most experienced coaches can't help with that. They need all the factors to work in their favor at the right time, to peak.
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Injuries can happen to everyone, but it really played a big part in World 2016 LP. His injury has become so severe, and that has been described and talked long enough in articles. However, Yuzuru never uses his injuries as excuses for performances that do not go well, that's just how he is. He wants to deal with it. He's not a skater like Chan who likes to bring any kind of excuse to justify a poor performance.
He does have more pressure on his shoulders than other skaters, but he handles it well. He's been number 1 Japanese skater for years now, he has learned (and keep learning) how to deal with pressure thanks to his team and family. He's not someone who cannot skate because of pressure, far from it.
 
IMO, pressures are not necessarily Yuzuru's enemy as long as considering his characteristics.

His physical conditions would be the most concern, I think.
 
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Injuries can happen to everyone, but it really played a big part in World 2016 LP. His injury has become so severe, and that has been described and talked long enough in articles. However, Yuzuru never uses his injuries as excuses for performances that do not go well, that's just how he is. He wants to deal with it. He's not a skater like Chan who likes to bring any kind of excuse to justify a poor performance.
He does have more pressure on his shoulders than other skaters, but he handles it well. He's been number 1 Japanese skater for years now, he has learned (and keep learning) how to deal with pressure thanks to his team and family. He's not someone who cannot skate because of pressure, far from it.
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What I don't get is why yuzuru's fans think he can endure any level of pressure and any of his sub-par performances can only be due to injuries, but not because of pressure. He was dreaming everyday before the WC that he would lose and get second. His reaction after the sp in Boston is not what normal people would react under normal pressure. He was extremely stressed before and during the WC because everyone expects him to break WR and win and have absolutely no mistakes. The level of pressure he faced in Boston is not a normal level of pressure. Given the technical content he is attempting and will attempt in the future, and how intensely he practices, it's impossible for him to be injury free. He can only skate well under a moderate level of pressure. The only way to make not many mistakes under big pressure is to water down the tech (e.g. only triples, and no quads). But even with watered down tech, the performance will be a cautious performance under big pressure.

Fans can only hope that stars align for him so he will only face moderate pressure at the next Olympics and can therefore give a good performance. If the pressure he faces in Korea as big as he did in Botson, there is no way he can perform well, not when he is attempting even more difficult layouts.
 
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The fact is, Yuzuru did a great SP performance under such a pressure in WC 2016.

He could not for his FS, but apparently it was due to his worsened instep injury.
 
SuzyQ said:
The fact is, Yuzuru did a great SP performance under such a pressure in WC 2016.

He could not for his FS, but apparently it was due to his worsened instep injury.
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The SP being an old program helps significantly because his body remembers this program for 2 seasons. Also the pressure in the SP is lower than the pressure in the LP. Skating 2nd in LP made him even more stressed. He thought he was finished as soon as he drew 2nd. Even if his injury wasn't worsened, he wouldn't be able to skate well in the LP because he never skated well in 2nd or 3rd after he won the SP in major championships, e.g. 2013 4cc, 2014 olympics, 2015 WC and 2016 WC, even when he was not injured. E.g. he also skated a clean SP, but flawed LP at the Olympics and he didn't have injury at that time. He also skated a better SP than LP in 2015 WC and his injury didn't get worse after the SP in 2015. (IMO, he skated a clean SP at the olympics because the SP is an old program he had been using for two seasons. It's the same reason why he skated a clean sp at 2016 WC because he had been using the sp for two seasons. Patrick also skated an almost clean sp at the olympics because he used the same sp for two seasons. Jason Brown also skated a clean sp at the olympics and he also recycled his sp. The other skaters who had clean sp are skaters not in medal contention. The other medal contenders all had flawed SP at the olympics.) He was injured right from the beginning to the end of the season non-stop, not just at WC in 2015-2016 season. He was also injured right from the beginning to the end of the season, non-stop in 2014-2015 season, but his performance varied significantly in each competition.

ETA: I am trying to be realistic. He isn't a super human who can endure any level of pressure. He faces much bigger pressure than other skaters due to his past competitive records and enormous talent. (He won't face that kind of pressure if he isn't so talented, being seen as the greatest of all time or perceived as a national hero.) But he can only withstand a moderate level of pressure, not extremely high pressure.
 
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@gsyzf, I understand your favourite topics and interests are in the area of inflation, pressure, injuries, on/off location for Yuzu guaranteeing Yuzu will lose at them or not perform well etc. etc.

Yuzu just came back from injuries, I'm sure fans are worried and some has not gotten over the depression of seeing what happened in Boston. We don't know his programs layouts, we don't know the music, we don't know his condition, and we don't know the costume. We don't know whether will he actually be at AC although his name already there.

What we all do know is the pressure will always be there, in fact he has been dealing with these pressure since 2012. From the crazy internal pressure as well as international. Of the top men he is the one that facing pressure throughout the season as he cannot rest or take it easy because as a Japanese (like the US men) he is not guaranteed a place at WC/Olympic, thus; he has to do well in GPs and National (unlike his top rival Javi, Chan, D10 who guaranteed a spot at WC/Olympic no matter how they do at GPs/National). And with training and competition plus the constant pressure injuries is unavoidable. We all know this...it is at the back of my mind every single moment when I think of Yuzu.

Instead of being doom and gloom, we can channel positive thoughts, energy, encouragement to him. Wish him all the best no matter what. In our own ways join the fans that offering prayer to Yuzu during the summer at the shrines when they went to see the ice shows that he could not join.

“Sometimes beautiful things come into our lives out of nowhere. We can't always understand them, but we have to trust in them. I know you want to question everything, but sometimes it pays to just have a little faith.”

I wish the very best for Yuzuru. He doesn't need to prove anything to me, he doesn't need to be perfect and best everytime. All he needs is just to be Yuzuru Hanyu. Gambatte :cheer:
 
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alia jackson said:
@gsyzf, I understand your favourite topics and interests are in the area of inflation, pressure, injuries, on/off location for Yuzu guaranteeing Yuzu will lose at them or not perform well etc. etc.

Yuzu just came back from injuries, I'm sure fans are worried and some has not gotten over the depression of seeing what happened in Boston. We don't know his programs layouts, we don't know the music, we don't know his condition, and we don't know the costume. We don't know whether will he actually be at AC although his name already there.

What we all do know is the pressure will always be there, in fact he has been dealing with these pressure since 2012. From the crazy internal pressure as well as international. Of the top men he is the one that facing pressure throughout the season as he cannot rest or take it easy because as a Japanese (like the US men) he is not guaranteed a place at WC/Olympic, thus; he has to do well in GPs and National (unlike his top rival Javi, Chan, D10 who guaranteed a spot at WC/Olympic no matter how they do at GPs/National). And with training and competition plus the constant pressure injuries is unavoidable. We all know this...it is at the back of my mind every single moment when I think of Yuzu.

Instead of being doom and gloom, we can channel positive thoughts, energy, encouragement to him. Wish him all the best no matter what. In our own ways join the fans that offering prayer to Yuzu during the summer at the shrines when they went to see the ice shows that he could not join.

“Sometimes beautiful things come into our lives out of nowhere. We can't always understand them, but we have to trust in them. I know you want to question everything, but sometimes it pays to just have a little faith.”

I wish the very best for Yuzuru. He doesn't need to prove anything to me, he doesn't need to be perfect and best everytime. All he needs is just to be Yuzuru Hanyu. Gambatte :cheer:
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Now that we found out that solution of this dilemma is the easiest ever,as in his muscle memory we trust, we can write a group message to him and convince Yuzuru to keep both programs of this season for Olympics , so we can be sure no pressure and injury can take gold medal from him. Yay!! Can we move from the topic I wonder ?!
 
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be negative. But I noticed that many of Yuzuru's fans are always worried about his health and they panick quite often. But his physical conditions will end up this way given his schedule, expectation, layouts, training etc. It can't be helped. Injuries are part of athletes' life. They can't be avoided. Fans are perhaps over-reacting to his injuries.
 
Marin said:
Now that we found out that solution of this dilemma is the easiest ever,as in his muscle memory we trust, we can write a group message to him and convince Yuzuru to keep both programs of this season for Olympics , so we can be sure no pressure and injury can take gold medal from him. Yay!! Can we move from the topic I wonder ?!
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I guess you are trying to be sarcastic. :scratch2: But I do think it would be a good idea to keep the LP this season for the Olympics because the LP has always been the program he struggled with under pressure due to the difficulty of the layout. The more practice of the same program he does, the stronger his muscle memory is, everything else equal. Keeping both SP and LP doesn't sound like a good idea. If it's a choice between sp and lp, I think LP is the better choice to be reused in the olympic season. (At least recycling programs save a skater time and money.)
 
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I don't know if it would be wise to keep both programs for Olympic season. I think judges always appreciate a sheer novelty.
 
gsyzf said:
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be negative. But I noticed that many of Yuzuru's fans are always worried about his health and they panick quite often. But his physical conditions will end up this way given his schedule, expectation, layouts, training etc. It can't be helped. Injuries are part of athletes' life. They can't be avoided. Fans are perhaps over-reacting to his injuries.
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It's just the way it is. Pressure do play a part in performances, I'll never deny that. But pressure and injuries are things Yuzuru has learned to deal with. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Just like for any skater.
But it's a fact that pressure wasn't the main reason that the LP at World 2016 didn't work out. There was pressure, of course, some that he even put on himself, considering how competitive he is! But it was clearly the injury, that was severe and would have made lesser skaters withdrawing from the competition. The fact is that Yuzuru didn't want people to know that he was injured, and thus some people thought he couldn't skate well because of pressure. :sarcasm: Everything was brought to light only afterwards.
It has taken a long time for it to heal. It is fine now, but his team is watching out for him. And also considering the severe accident of COC 2014, the fans can't be blame for always worrying.

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I saw it 15 min ago and Nishikori was leading.:rofl: lol power of Hanyu's fans..
btw poor Uchimura why so low :cry:
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I was also surprised to see him so low, with Rio 2016 having just happened... I guess people will hear more of him in the comping months. Lot of people heard of Yuzu after Sochi, and more in the following months.
But Yuzuru being WAY ahead is perfect for me, lol!:biggrin:
 
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It's easy and safe to address all the responsability of the failure to Yuzu's injury.

It's the explanation that makes disapper all at once Ten accident, Yuzu's politically incorrect interview after his talk to Ten, Carroll's worldwide blaming of Yuzu with no reply, Orser's “I'm busy (with Fernandez)”, Yuzu's overtraining himself before the FS and Mrs Shirota telling worldwide she's regretful about it..
I wonder what will happen in next big competitions ie Worlds/Olys if unfavorable circumstances, to say it politely, happen again ... It will be up to Mrs Shirota to deal with it ?
It's OK to move one and be positive , but what about the future?
 
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giulia95 said:
It's easy and safe to address all the responsability of the failure to Yuzu's injury.

It's the explanation that makes disapper all at once Ten accident, Yuzu's politically incorrect interview after his talk to Ten, Carroll's worldwide blaming of Yuzu with no reply, Orser's “I'm busy (with Fernandez)”, Yuzu's overtraining himself before the FS and Mrs Shirota telling worldwide she's regretful about it..
I wonder what will happen in next big competitions ie Worlds/Olys if unfavorable circumstances, to say it politely, happen again ... It will be up to Mrs Shirota to deal with it ?
It's OK to move one and be positive , but what about the future?
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Are you suggesting that Yuzuru has a less than stellar team backing him? Because that thought has crossed my mind multiple times.
 
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