Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Raomina]

He is quite realistic of his ability and his rivals' ability. He is planning to do 4 quads with 3 types of quads this season rather than re-using the same layout. It means he doesn't underestimate his rivals and he doesn't overestimate himself either.

I think that's the main point, so there's no need to say he HAS to do this or that. He knows himself best and will do whatever accordingly, be it 3 or 4 quads. We'll just have to wait and see how this season goes for him. Can't wait to learn more about and see his programs!

 

[gsyzf]

I think that's the main point, so there's no need to say he HAS to do this or that. He knows himself best and will do whatever accordingly, be it 3 or 4 quads. We'll just have to wait and see how this season goes for him. Can't wait to learn more about and see his programs!

That's the logic deducted based on his decision and his goal. If he made the decision to do 4 quads, it means he feels it's necessary to do so given the level of competition in today's field and the goal he wants to achieve. (I also think that it's obvious given the level of competition and circumstances he faces, that's basically the path he has to take if he wants to win without relying on his rivals making slow progress or making mistakes. Also, I personally don't think it's good sportsmanship to wish your rivals perform poorly or make slow progress so you can win, and he doesn't want to win this way.) I'm not telling him what he must do because I want him to follow my way. I'm only saying that's what he must do if he wants to achieve his goal (i.e. win as an indisputable champion, I assume he wants to achieve his goal) given the circumstances he faces. It's not about what I want, but what he wants to achieve and how he can achieve his goal.

 

[Raomina]

That's the logic deducted based on his decision and his goal. If he made the decision to do 4 quads, it means he feels it's necessary to do so given the level of competition in today's field and the goal he wants to achieve. (I also think that it's obvious given the level of competition and circumstances he faces, that's basically the path he has to take if he wants to win without relying on his rivals making slow progress or making mistakes. Also, I personally don't think it's good sportsmanship to wish your rivals perform poorly or make slow progress so you can win, and he doesn't want to win this way.) I'm not telling him what he must do because I want him to follow my way. I'm only saying that's what he must do if he wants to achieve his goal given the circumstances he faces.

Do we actually know what his decision is yet anyway? If not, we can just see what he plans to do when he debuts his program. I have nothing against him doing 4 quads if he feels comfortable with it... and just because I'm saying that it's not necessary for him to rush it at this stage that I'm insinuating that he wants his rivals to do poorly to win. The thing I like about him is that he wants everyone to do well and he still comes out on top. It's just not really slow progress at this stage when last season was only the first season he started doing 3 quads... AND doing clean programs. I like that his recent wish (posted somewhere previously) was to do clean programs and not be injured while training. That's exactly the mindset and goal I feel he should have this season. (If it wasn't posted here previously, here's where I saw it: http://kichessarjilian.tumblr.com/post/150175678779/yuzusorbet-yuzurus-wish-at-tanabata-festival)

Also, I still think it's pretty awesome that his highest SP score with 1 quad is still unbeaten by almost everyone else, even if they did 2 quads.

 

[gsyzf]

Do we actually know what his decision is yet anyway? If not, we can just see what he plans to do when he debuts his program.

He said he will do 4Lo and wants to do 2 quads in the 2nd half if possible. It doesn't make too much sense to do 2 quads in the 2nd half if he only aims to do a total of 3 quads. So the speculation is he plans to do 4 quads. Also Javier said Yuzuru may do 4 quads this season. How soon he will do 4 quads this season depends on his practice and progress. If he makes progress quickly, he may do 4 quads at the beginning of the season. If he doesn't make progress as quickly, he may do 4 quads in mid-season or second half of the season.

 

[giulia95]

He said he will do 4Lo and wants to do 2 quads in the 2nd half if possible. It doesn't make too much sense to do 2 quads in the 2nd half if he only aims to do a total of 3 quads. So the speculation is he plans to do 4 quads. Also Javier said Yuzuru may do 4 quads this season. How soon he will do 4 quads this season depends on his practice and progress. If he makes progress quickly, he may do 4 quads at the beginning of the season. If he doesn't make progress as quickly, he may do 4 quads in mid-season or second half of the season.

:agree:

Certainly Yuzu learned the lesson from last season and won’t be so naive to let “his team” decide his programs layout and his strategy, after what happened from Chopin SP at SC to Worlds in Boston.

 

[xibsuarz]

:agree:

Certainly Yuzu learned the lesson from last season and won’t be so naive to let “his team” decide his programs layout and his strategy, after what happened from Chopin SP at SC to Worlds in Boston.

His team? But it's been him the one who has been choosing his layouts for the last few seasons. I remember Brian saying he suggested Yuzu to take out the 4S back when it still wasn't consistent (I think it was during the Olympic season) but he refused. And it was also his decision to keep Chopin for two seasons, have the same layout, and then change it to have two quads in the first half of his SP instead of having a quad and a triple on the second half. He was also the one who decided to change his FS at Worlds and have two 4S instead of two 4T (even if that was forced due to his injury, he was the one who chose to do it, not his team).

 

[Rissa]

:agree:

Certainly Yuzu learned the lesson from last season and won’t be so naive to let “his team” decide his programs layout and his strategy, after what happened from Chopin SP at SC to Worlds in Boston.

Yuzu has always been the one responsible for his layout, not his team.

You could try to tone down your seething dislike of TCC to a level that doesn't interfere with the facts. Or from the reality that Yuzuru is not a helpless puppet.

 

[Fayruza]

How on earth is doubling a quad and repeating that double his team's fault? Other that that, SC SP was wonderful.

 

[Sydney Rose]

If I were a Fernandez fan, I would be absolutely delighted with Hanyu's coaching/team situation as of last season.

As a Hanyu fan -- and as someone who's watched skating for decades -- I was not impressed with it. I could write a couple thousand words as to why but, in a nutshell: When you're the reigning OGM with what I assume is a fairly large net worth, you should be able to do better for yourself than having your mother videotaping you and communicating with your coach via email. Who does that before skating in a World Championship? When I read that Phil Hersh article about this before Worlds, I knew this wouldn't end well. And then to learn later about his injury, how far back it went, taking pain meds instead of properly treating it -- I was and still am appalled, both as a fan and as a medical person. I still worry that he may have done permanent damage to his foot.

However, it does appear that the above may have been a wakeup call of sorts for him and his "team" (whoever that is) as he seems to be doing several things differently this season -- for example, staying in Toronto (with his coach) to heal his foot instead of going back to Japan. And having David Wilson choreograph an exhibition program for him sounds like a smart political move -- i.e., throwing a bone (as we say in the US) to one of Orser's buddies who also choreographs for his top rival.

As for Brian Orser, I've followed the guy for decades. I still feel bad that he never won an OGM and, if I had the power to do so, I would gladly take Scott Hamilton's away and give it to him. I think he's a person of integrity with a wonderful sense of humor and I'm delighted he's had so much success as a coach.

That does not mean, however, that I think he's above criticism or scrutiny. Through no fault of his own, he's now in the position of being the coach of one of the finest men's skaters of all time AND his chief rival. That is what most people would consider a major conflict-of-interest situation. And when you're in a situation like that, you need to be very, very careful with your words and your actions. I don't think he did well with either at Worlds this year and, as a result, he got some deserved blowback for it. Hopefully he will not make the same mistakes again.

 

[SuzyQ]

Hiroshima Carp won the Central League Championship in Japan

Yuzuru was introduced as one of Carp fans in a TV program.

https://twitter.com/yuzu_ka127/status/774027740076912641

Yay :yay:

http://i2.wp.com/livedoor.blogimg.jp/xxhugyua/imgs/8/2/82bc7ea6.jpg

He must be very happy now.

 

[Hanmgse]

we are so close to sep 13th!! I really hope we get info :hap57:

 

[xibsuarz]

we are so close to sep 13th!! I really hope we get info :hap57:

It sounded like we would get information on both the SP and the FS. I can hardly wait!

 

[Marin]

I find a bit weird that 2 days are left according to Piruette and there is no sign from Japanese media yet..They should have announced at least 4-5 days before footage.. imo :think:

 

[Plumededragon]

Javier Raya posted a short video of his new SP program (his own, not Yuzu's, of course), and it seems like it IS Yuzuru skating in the rink along with a few other skaters (the shape definitely looks like Yuzu, anyway): https://twitter.com/skateraya/status/774707485634465792
So the kid is already back in Canada. I didn't know. Good to know, then.

 

[Link2u]

it's all Hanyu's choice.
When he choose Orser, he already know and can't expect Orser to be with him all the time. And Fernandez was there first. That's unfair to Orser.

So you are saying Orser must drop everything, left Canada and go to Japan to coach Hanyu ONLY.
how much will that cost? For a person like Orser to give up his life style?

And to me, you are making Hanyu like a baby. (like those chinese who claim themselves as Hanyu fans).
you should write a letter to inform Orser to watch his words, instead of coming here to bother others Hanyu fans.

 

[Pamigena]

I find a bit weird that 2 days are left according to Piruette and there is no sign from Japanese media yet..They should have announced at least 4-5 days before footage.. imo :think:

I agree actually Seems weird. But it's been a weird off-season anyway

Javier Raya posted a short video of his new SP program (his own, not Yuzu's, of course), and it seems like it IS Yuzuru skating in the rink along with a few other skaters (the shape definitely looks like Yuzu, anyway): https://twitter.com/skateraya/status/774707485634465792
So the kid is already back in Canada. I didn't know. Good to know, then.

certainly looks like him, doesn't it

 

[Meoima]

I agree actually Seems weird. But it's been a weird off-season anyway
certainly looks like him, doesn't it

Yuzuru even clapped to Raya's 3A. Such a nice kid.

 

[Pamigena]

Yuzuru even clapped to Raya's 3A. Such a nice kid.

yes I also thought that must be the final proof if there was any doubt left seemed quite in character

 

[liv]

it really does look like him... and the video was from today (Saturday), so hmm... wonder what the 13th will hold, if anything... maybe news clips like someone suggested earlier. I don't need to see anything... not really.. but I would love to know just the music!! Throw us a bone!!

 

[Nontama0817]

Maybe what is called as press conference is like media day at TCC to show his new program like 2 years ago when he showed his FP the phantom of the Opera for the first time. That time no information was out beforehand except some fans found the sports cameraman's twitter about tweeks before asking for some cameraman living in Canada or US to go to the photo shooting session in Tronto since some magazine in Japan is looking for one and he cannot be there for other engagement. Now we know for sure that Yuzu is back in Canada, it is likely he will make some kind of announcement in Tronto. Just my guess no grounds.