Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Meoima]

This is a gem, international call from Yuzuru to Evegnia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/permalink/1782666528647812/

 

[DiamondDust]

This is a gem, international call from Yuzuru to Evegnia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/permalink/1782666528647812/

yikes!

 

[Biellmann]

This is a gem, international call from Yuzuru to Evegnia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/permalink/1782666528647812/

I told you it was Yuzuru

 

[msteach3]

This is a gem, international call from Yuzuru to Evegnia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/permalink/1782666528647812/

That's awesome. I hope someone shows this to him!

 

[melmel]

Ok guys. Did i hallucinated it or was there no biellman spin in his fs ?

 

[DiamondDust]

Ok guys. Did i hallucinated it or was there no biellman spin in his fs ?

There's none :eeking:. There's doughnut though.

 

[xibsuarz]

Ok guys. Did i hallucinated it or was there no biellman spin in his fs ?

There was no Biellman he did and A-spin instead. I wonder if it's something temporary or if he has dropped it for good. It will be sad to see that spin go since not many men can do it, but if he does it to avoid a back/shoulder injury then it's for the best.

 

[SuzyQ]

Sorry, if someone has already commented to this effect.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vrthu_161003-密着-偉業達成までの舞台裏_sport

Yuzuru actually said at 5:45,

"I’ll do perfect performances in the next competition. Definitely.
(Yuzuru said No-miss no engi = performance without any failure. No-miss is a typical Japanese English )

I will do practice so as to make a success of it.

Otherwise....., otherwise, it's not Yuzuru Hanyu."

The second part is omitted in many news clips and newspaper articles, and I'm afraid that gives a bit different impression to viewers or reader. I just don't like it

By the way, around 4:06 -

Yuzuru: It did not take so much time before making a success (of 4Lo). The control is difficult. It is difficult to explain by words, but you have to enter the jump "Shu!"

 

[mcq]

Well, he can do a clean short there at Skate Canada, cause SP is always the area where he excels and is more consistent. But having 1 mistake in the free is not the end of the world for him tbh. The perks of having a 4-quad, 2 3As program is even if you botch one of your jumps you can still score very high (>200, definitely) and win with large margin. so he should not let a mistake in his free, if he makes them later, bother him so much.

The thing I noticed with Yuzuru, especially more noticeable after NHK/GPF where he delivered clean SP and LP back-to-back, is that after he made a mistake (in the LP specifically) it tends to carry on to the rest of his program. During Autumn Classic, after he made a mistake on the 3F it looked as if he lost his concentration and kept making mistakes afterwards (both his quads, his 3A and 3Lz). Last year Japan Nats is the same, after the fall on the planned 4S3T he kept making mistakes too. Same can be said for this year's worlds. So he should work on that too, imo; of what to do if he makes mistakes, and not let it affect him and his whole program. I know that his true goal is a "perfect performance", but baby steps there, boy.

 

[Sorrento]

The thing I noticed with Yuzuru, especially more noticeable after NHK/GPF where he delivered clean SP and LP back-to-back, is that after he made a mistake (in the LP specifically) it tends to carry on to the rest of his program. During Autumn Classic, after he made a mistake on the 3F it looked as if he lost his concentration and kept making mistakes afterwards (both his quads, his 3A and 3Lz). Last year Japan Nats is the same, after the fall on the planned 4S3T he kept making mistakes too. Same can be said for this year's worlds. So he should work on that too, imo; of what to do if he makes mistakes, and not let it affect him and his whole program. I know that his true goal is a "perfect performance", but baby steps there, boy.

I think when he does mistakes like that it is generally caused by exhaustion, all the competitions that you've mentioned he approached not in the best shape and being quite weak physically and (or) injured (sprained ankle, etc). Because at other comptitions, like Sochi LP, for example, he did really well after missing quad Sal and making a mistake at flip (was it flip?).

 

[Sorrento]

Sorry, if someone has already commented to this effect.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vrthu_161003-密着-偉業達成までの舞台裏_sport

Yuzuru actually said at 5:45,

"I’ll do perfect performances in the next competition. Definitely.
(Yuzuru said No-miss no engi = performance without any failure. No-miss is a typical Japanese English )

I will do practice so as to make a success of it.

Otherwise....., otherwise, it's not Yuzuru Hanyu."

The second part is omitted in many news clips and newspaper articles, and I'm afraid that gives a bit different impression to viewers or reader. I just don't like it

By the way, around 4:06 -

Yuzuru: It did not take so much time before making a success (of 4Lo). The control is difficult. It is difficult to explain by words, but you have to enter the jump "Shu!"

I love the way he describes the jumps with sound imitations, maybe someone could ask him to do sound imitations for all the other jumps too, that would have been awesome. "Sound of jump" by Yuzuru Hanyu. What you think?

 

[mcq]

I think when he does mistakes like that it is generally caused by exhaustion, all the competitions that you've mentioned he approached not in the best shape and being quite weak physically and (or) injured (sprained ankle, etc). Because at other comptitions, like Sochi LP, for example, he did really well after missing quad Sal and making a mistake at flip (was it flip?).

Yeah, I agree. It didn't happen at GPF 2013 where he missed his quad sal but clean on the rest or during WTT 2015 where he popped his 4T but finished with no mistake after that. It is just something that I noticed happened often only recently post-NHK+GPF, and as you said it could be due to his physical condition.

Also yes, at Sochi he fell on sal and flip but other jumps were fine.

 

[Sorrento]

It is just something that I noticed happened often only recently post-NHK+GPF, and as you said it could be due to his physical condition.

Right at that time his poor foot was really bad, it hurt and swell and he had to use painkillers. I mean- the entire season with injury that was getting worse and worse. Good Lord and stubborn bunny.

 

[kiches]

Right at that time his poor foot was really bad, it hurt and swell and he had to use painkillers. I mean- the entire season with injury that was getting worse and worse. Good Lord and stubborn bunny.

Yes, I also got the impression after we learned more about the extent of his injuries that the performance at last year's nationals and World's this year was attributed to injury. Typically he's been very good at being able to execute the second half of his free program, even if he makes mistakes in the first half. Which is why I was a bit worried when he made those mistakes this weekend, that it may be that he is/was injured at Autumn Classic - from the sound of it he did sprain his ankle two weeks ago, but I was also worried that he didn't include the biellmann - the only times he hasn't done the biellmann was CoC and Nationals when he had the urachnal remnant that had ruptured. Overall though, I think this was probably about what I expected from him at this stage given his delay in training this summer.

 

[Tommmy]

This is a gem, international call from Yuzuru to Evegnia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610393525875114/permalink/1782666528647812/

BTW, Evegnia says her favorite program is The Phantom of the Opera by Yuzuru in an interview at CaOI :agree:

 

[mcq]

Yes, I also got the impression after we learned more about the extent of his injuries that the performance at last year's nationals and World's this year was attributed to injury. Typically he's been very good at being able to execute the second half of his free program, even if he makes mistakes in the first half. Which is why I was a bit worried when he made those mistakes this weekend, that it may be that he is/was injured at Autumn Classic - from the sound of it he did sprain his ankle two weeks ago, but I was also worried that he didn't include the biellmann - the only times he hasn't done the biellmann was CoC and Nationals when he had the urachnal remnant that had ruptured. Overall though, I think this was probably about what I expected from him at this stage given his delay in training this summer.

I only noticed about the biellmann. Hopefully it is indeed only because of sprained ankle and conditioning. And I think it is a good sign that he didn't do biellmann then, which could be a sign that he listens to his body and takes it slow. I was a bit surprised last time when I heard about his lisfranc injury, because before that it was only reported and noticed as a sore instep, so I can't help but being a little anxious after that. I will be wishing for his health throughout this season and the next.

 

[Sorrento]

but I was also worried that he didn't include the biellmann - the only times he hasn't done the biellmann was CoC and Nationals when he had the urachnal remnant that had ruptured. Overall though, I think this was probably about what I expected from him at this stage given his delay in training this summer.

Bielmann puts a lot of pressure to your back so if you are not in your best conditions back wise- you better give your back a break. Maybe he will let go of that spin, he has a new jump that is quite demanding too or maybe we will see that spin again at some point into the season. I'm not about to worry about this spin at this moment. I just wish that his spins remain fast, consistent and level 4 with max GOE. What spins he does to reach that is not really that important to me. Though I secretly wish that he does a new one.

 

[Meoima]

Bielmann puts a lot of pressure to your back so if you are not in your best conditions back wise- you better give your back a break. Maybe he will let go of that spin, he has a new jump that is quite demanding toot i or maybe we will see that spin again at some point into the season. I'm not about to worry about this spin at this moment. I just wish that his spins remain fast, consistent and level 4 with max GOE. What spins he does to reach that is not really that important to me. Though I secretly wish that he does a new one.

I don't mind if he drops the Biellmann. It is not easy on the back at all. Even though I don't like Butt spin, I can tolerate Yuzuru's butt spin.

 

[DiamondDust]

BTW, Evegnia says her favorite program is The Phantom of the Opera by Yuzuru in an interview at CaOI :agree:

I gotta say, Yuzuru's POTO was really nice (rewatched it just now after reading your comment ). However, it's sad we didn't get to see it at the level Yuzuru would've wanted (well thanks to injuries/operations:dev2: )

So really crossing my fingers he stays healthy this time.

 

[Lindacrow]

BTW, Evegnia says her favorite program is The Phantom of the Opera by Yuzuru in an interview at CaOI :agree:

Do you mind if I ask for a link to the interview?