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2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

4everchan you know this poster will not care what you say. Save your energy for this weekend. Eric will finally get to watch Patrick perform the FS live. :thumbsup:

Veronik Mallet is out. No replacement. Skate Canada doesn't seem to have faith in Michelle Long or Larkyn Austman.
 
Chartrand and Osmond will be worried about the way Gabby performed, especially with the way her PCS is rising internationally.
Time for them to make a statement in a big international competition too. Honestly, I'd be surprised if neither of them medal.
Kaetlyn is adored by the judges and will get huge scores in the short program if she gets the triple triple in. I think she's going to go for it here, at least in the short, even if it means falling. At this point I think she knows the triple triple is necessary to keep herself in the international conversation.
Chartrand is the reigning National champion as well, and skated a good free program in Canada a few weeks ago, so she likes being at home.
Can't wait to see how our girls do.
 
Chuckm, I think we have had a conversation last year when I said to you, if you want to look at data for analysis, let's look at ALL data. Taking one american judge scores for bell comparing to a canadian judges for daleman means NOTHING. Was the Canadian judge always out of line? Was she only for Daleman? Was the american judge always so much closer to average??? etc... and on top of that, as they do indeed remove the highest and lowest scores, the average is affected so it would require in depth analysis here...If I understand correctly, it's not a full set of scores by a judge that is removed but each component sees its lowest and highest score removed.

Let me give you an example. If two judges marked down Gabby in performance because she did sit down on her lutz, only one of those scores is removed.... making the Canadian judge's high score stand out compared to the lower average. She could easily argue why she thought the Rippon lutz fall didn't affect in her opinion the performance level.

So, in light of that, if you wish to discuss scoring, please do not bring partial data and give it whatever meaning you wish for. I can do the same you know... We can all make statistics say whatever we want using them that way.

NO judge rated Gabby's SS as high as 8.25 (Benson's score) and three judges rated it at 7.50 (the lowest score). So one of the 7.5's and Benson's 8.25 would have been tossed.

NO judge rated Gabby's TR as high as 8.00 (Benson's score) and only one judge (KOR) rated it at 6.50 (the lowest score). Both scores would be tossed.

NO judge rated Gabby's PE as high as 8.50 (Benson's score) and three judges rated it at 7.50 (the lowest score). So one of the 7.5's and Benson's 8.5 would have been tossed.

So---Benson's scores would have been zapped for sure on the first 3 components.

For CO, only ONE other judge (TUR) rated Gabby at 8.00 like Benson; two judges rated her at 7.25. So one of the 8s and one of the 7.25 would have been tossed.

For IN, only ONE other judge (TUR) rated Gabby at 8.25 like Benson; one judge rated her at 7.25. So one of the 8.25s and the 7.25 would have been tossed.
 
4everchan you know this poster will not care what you say. Save your energy for this weekend. Eric will finally get to watch Patrick perform the FS live. :thumbsup:

Veronik Mallet is out. No replacement. Skate Canada doesn't seem to have faith in Michelle Long or Larkyn Austman.

you are correct ;) i am actually way too busy this week for this :)

Regarding Mallet out... I think they should have sent Michelle Long. It's a mistake not to replace Mallet. And honestly, I am not too impressed that she didn't let them know earlier she would withdraw. Skate Canada should have filled its home spot.
 
4everchan you know this poster will not care what you say. Save your energy for this weekend. Eric will finally get to watch Patrick perform the FS live. :thumbsup:

Veronik Mallet is out. No replacement. Skate Canada doesn't seem to have faith in Michelle Long or Larkyn Austman.

Not necessarily a lack of faith or Skate Canada's choice. Late notice from Mallet's team may mean that alternates would not be ready for this event. SCI puts a lot of pressure on Canadian competitors to deliver SBs. It's possible that one or both of Long and Austman were not ready to step in on short notice.
 
Not necessarily a lack of faith or Skate Canada's choice. Late notice from Mallet's team may mean that alternates would not be ready for this event. SCI puts a lot of pressure on Canadian competitors to deliver SBs. It's possible that one or both of Long and Austman were not ready to step in on short notice.

Could be. They seriously need a contingency plan in these cases. I understand for Larkyn it may be tough to fly out from BC, but Michelle is in the neighbourhood of Skate Canada. They should have had her on standby. And if indeed Veronik withdrew really late despite knowing the extent of her injury then this reflects poorly on her too. She's deprived another lady, not necessarily a Canadian, of a chance to compete here.
 
Is Kaetlyn totally awesome, or what? It's been awhile since I've seen a woman getting +3 GOE on a jump, and she got at least one on all three today.
 
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October 28 was mostly a great day for Canadian skating. Meagan and Eric pleased with the SP, Luba Dylan still in the mix, Patrick :love:, Kevin freaking Reynolds is back, Tessa and Scott losing a ridiculous amount of levels but still ahead, Piper/Paul also still in the mix, Kaetlyn pulling out a 3F-3T like we knew she could do on top of a clean performance, and Alaine getting lots of level 4s even if the PCS and jumps were not there.

Lots of good stuff. :)
 
Is Kaetlyn totally awesome, or what? It's been awhile since I've seen a woman getting +3 GOE on a jump, and she got at least one on all three today.

Her jumps are massive, I was sitting where her 3Lz is and I thought she would fly into my side of the crowd. It was an absolutely superb performance, she has an amazing and commanding presence on ice. I actually saw her at CSOI in May and she was a completely different girl today. She flew and I'm crazy proud of her.

Also I've changed my opinion of Alaine, I found mostly generic before but despite the mistakes, she has quite a personality on ice, I actually saw her and right as I pulled out my pen for an autograph she disappeared. I was so sad haha
 
It just occurred to me, ...chuckm is going to have to use new international personal bests data, when he references Kaetlyn and Alaine's skating. And I thought this day could not be any sweeter. :gclap:
 
Could osmond make the GPF with another solid Grand Prix in a couple weeks?!! A Canadian lady at the gpf would be huge!
 
It just occurred to me, ...chuckm is going to have to use new international personal bests data, when he references Kaetlyn and Alaine's skating. And I thought this day could not be any sweeter. :gclap:

Kaetlyn actually skated a cleaner FS at Finlandia---and scored 10 points lower than she did in the Skate Canada FS. I'm waiting to see how she does in her next event at Cup of China, against Wagner, Radionova, Mai Miahara and hometown favorite Zijun Li.
 
^^ You think, chuckm?

She nailed the 3/3's here twice (only once at Finlandia with a turn)
Completed 3/2/2 in LP
2 axel with a much better landing in LP, as more stamina/speed

Overall, I found both skates here were improved with increased technical, better timing on jumps, and less need to save with a 1/2 turn. Re CoC, judges will have a tough time low balling her PCS as per 4CC's last year, not just based on what she has done this season, but more importantly due to quality programs, her confidence level, speed and execution of her delivery.

I look forward to it.
 
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Kaetlyn actually skated a cleaner FS at Finlandia---and scored 10 points lower than she did in the Skate Canada FS. I'm waiting to see how she does in her next event at Cup of China, against Wagner, Radionova, Mai Miahara and hometown favorite Zijun Li.

Err, how do you figure? In Finlandia she didn't have the 3-3, doubled a triple jump (2A+2T_ singled a double jump, had a shaky loop, and an error on her double axel to close. In Skate Canada, she landed her 3-3 and upped her StSq to level 4, and her mistakes were a fall on her 3L< and a turnout on her 2A+2T (meant to be 2A+3T). Technically, she scored about 5 points higher at Skate Canada (even if she fell on the loop). Her PCS was really high (I think it should have been more around 65), but it was a better performance than Finlandia and I still think she deserved about 7 points higher than her Finlandia skate.

I think she has a very good shot to medal at CoC and make the GPF, if she matches or betters her SC performances. Even without home inflation, her score would have been around 200 points, which these days is enough to win or medal at most GP events.
 
Looking forward...a Kaitlyn Weaver / Andrew Poje update...

First, their ISU database page has been updated. Coaches are listed as Nicholas Morosov then Pasquale Camerlengo, and Morosov is the only choreographer listed.

http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00009841.htm

Next, Kaitlyn has posted a couple of photos from Moscow, including an off ice fitness shot and a winter street with the two of them...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMGcpeqlYgZ/?taken-by=ka2sh&hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMOeHD7FLs9/?taken-by=ka2sh&hl=en

Huge kudos to both for making the move to Russia. Russian is considered a level 4 language for native English speakers (vs 5 difficulty for Japanese or 3 for French). And even Moscow is very difficult for English speakers to get around in without Russian....as I found out when I travelled there with work colleagues and was the only one in the group with Russian. Really love that Kaitlyn is posting bilingually in Russian and English on Instagram...

I'm very curious to see what this courageous move will mean for them...and can hardly wait for them to premiere their new approach at the cup of Russia.
 
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Err, how do you figure? In Finlandia she didn't have the 3-3, doubled a triple jump (2A+2T_ singled a double jump, had a shaky loop, and an error on her double axel to close. In Skate Canada, she landed her 3-3 and upped her StSq to level 4, and her mistakes were a fall on her 3L< and a turnout on her 2A+2T (meant to be 2A+3T). Technically, she scored about 5 points higher at Skate Canada (even if she fell on the loop). Her PCS was really high (I think it should have been more around 65), but it was a better performance than Finlandia and I still think she deserved about 7 points higher than her Finlandia skate. [\QUOTE]

Sorry, but that is not correct. Kaetlyn did have a 3/3 in her Finlandia FS, and she didn't have a turnout on her 2a+2t or an edge call on her lutz as she did at SCI. And falling on a URd loop is a far worse mistake than a shaky loop. Her marks at SC were inflated thanks to homebrewed PCS and GOE which she is unlikely to receive in China.

Maybe she should change her FS to Turandot?
 
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incorrect there was a turn in between the 3f-3t at finlandia, so she didn't get as high goe on it at all.... she also didn't manage the 3-2-2 combo and the 2a-3t in both cases didn't happen... however, in finlandia, a judge could easily read kaetlyn as having issues with combos... not at SCI.
Sorry, but that is not correct. Kaetlyn did have a 3/3 in her Finlandia FS, and she didn't have a turnout on her 2a+2t or an edge call on her lutz as she did at SCI. And falling on a URd loop is a far worse mistake than a shaky loop. Her marks at SC were inflated thanks to homebrewed PCS and GOE which she is unlikely to receive in China.

Maybe she should change her FS to Turandot?
 
It does appear that Kaetlyn may have a problem with overpowering her combos, hence the turnouts. It also seems she hasn't quite mastered the 3loop as yet.
 
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