2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

[4everchan]

Elladj :Hope he gets an invite to the gala so he can have ball and do some back flips, preferably over some skaters.

which skater do you want him to land on ? haha

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

It's Skate Canada after all. What else would one expect? hwell:

I suppose we should apply the same response to any post you happen to make about Canadian skaters. It is chuckm after all. What else would one expect? hwell:

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

After reading reports that Canadian crowds routinely start leaving before a competition is over, while skaters are still competing on the ice, just to get a head start on traffic, I will never attend a competition in Canada.

Is this the same reaction you had to the Russian horde filing out of Sochi prior to the men's individual competition once they found out Plushenko had withdrawn?

And an anti-Canadian never attending a Canadian event eh? Needless to say, your presence will be sorely missed. No doot aboot it.

 

[Mango]

which skater do you want him to land on ? haha

No one, hopefully!!

Is this the same reaction you had to the Russian horde filing out of Sochi prior to the men's individual competition once they found out Plushenko had withdrawn?

And an anti-Canadian never attending a Canadian event eh? Needless to say, your presence will be sorely missed. No doot aboot it.

 

[lyndichee]

Well, to get things back on track...
Not too much Canadian action this week in Russia but Seguin and Bilodeau will look to lock up a berth in the GPF.
I don't doubt they'll win silver, but does anyone think it will be possible to beat S/M if they're clean and the latter have some hiccups?
Also curious to see where W/P are, as they're competing against C/B and B/S. I have no idea how that top three is going to shake down, though the way the Americans scored last week I'd expect them to win here. B/S and W/P will be an interesting head to head matchup, especially in Russia.

I don't think Seguin/Bilodeau will be able to top them as I think Savchenko/Massot have better technical elements and flow across the ice. I am really excited for the pairs event as these are two teams who really demonstrate their love for figure skating, when I watch them I get the feeling that both teams are just incredibly grateful to just be on ice.



I like how chuckm continues to come to express his opinions and avoid those who have pointed to evidence of his irrational hatred for Canadian fans. Seriously some of it should be considered discrimination and not allowed on this forum.

 

[SarahSynchro]

Is this the same reaction you had to the Russian horde filing out of Sochi prior to the men's individual competition once they found out Plushenko had withdrawn?

topic: I still can't believe that happened. So here you are at your country's first Winter Olympics EVER, with hard-to-get figure skating tickets that probably cost an arm and a leg, but because the home country's favourite skater withdrawals, you just get up and LEAVE?

Mind blowing. :shocked:

 

[Osmond4gold]

I don't think Seguin/Bilodeau will be able to top them as I think Savchenko/Massot have better technical elements and flow across the ice. I am really excited for the pairs event as these are two teams who really demonstrate their love for figure skating, when I watch them I get the feeling that both teams are just incredibly grateful to just be on ice.



I like how chuckm continues to come to express his opinions and avoid those who have pointed to evidence of his irrational hatred for Canadian fans. Seriously some of it should be considered discrimination and not allowed on this forum.

You are sadly correct, lyndichee...so much for love thy neigbour. I have received warnings in the past for confronting him, and would gladly take one again when he post things that are hateful and borderline disturbing with impunity. I am sure Alaine's dad would be happy to meet him in back of the gym, as any father would, based on his constant criticisms of her, to the point of cruelty.

 

[SarahSynchro]

Also curious to see where W/P are, as they're competing against C/B and B/S. I have no idea how that top three is going to shake down, though the way the Americans scored last week I'd expect them to win here. B/S and W/P will be an interesting head to head matchup, especially in Russia.

Oh, I'm so excited and nervous to see WeaPo! I hope they show up and blow everyone's minds.

How does everybody feel about WeaPo in relation to Tessa and Scott's return? While I love V/M as much as the next person does, the whole situation with WeaPo being regulated back to number two hurts my heart. :sad21: I wonder if it played a part in their move to Russia? I realize there were a lot of other factors that lead to the move as well, but I could see this as a big reason for wanting to make a change.

 

[TGee]

Oh, I'm so excited and nervous to see WeaPo! I hope they show up and blow everyone's minds.

How does everybody feel about WeaPo in relation to Tessa and Scott's return? While I love V/M as much as the next person does, the whole situation with WeaPo being regulated back to number two hurts my heart. :sad21: I wonder if it played a part in their move to Russia? I realize there were a lot of other factors that lead to the move as well, but I could see this as a big reason for wanting to make a change.

I don't think the V/M return had much to say about it in truth...other than excluding a move to Montreal from their options....

With the Canadian $ down against the US, the financial pressure to find a less expensive training site is intense. It's clearly a factor in many of the changes in the last 2 years for other skaters.

Canadian skaters would really need to feel that leaving a coaching situation in the US would be a negative. Weaver /Poje on the other hand had just experienced two Worlds in a row in which their early season success did not get them where they wanted to be at Worlds....Add to that a split between their coaching team being imminent, and they had to make a decision.

Training in Russia is a bold decision though. But with the two major Canadian ice dance training sites each having a top Canadian team, I can absolutely see the idea that, if they really want to train in a Russian school, why not go to Russia? Moscow is expensive, but less so once one knows how to shop like a native.

 

[chuckm]

topic: I still can't believe that happened. So here you are at your country's first Winter Olympics EVER, with hard-to-get figure skating tickets that probably cost an arm and a leg, but because the home country's favourite skater withdrawals, you just get up and LEAVE?

Mind blowing. :shocked:

That was the one time the crowd leaving was GOOD. For once during that Olympics we had a NORMAL audience for figure skating---one that cheered for ALL the skaters.

 

[chuckm]

Guys....I don't hate anyone. I just have opinions, which are based on observation and logic. I have opinions about some US skaters, too, which makes me unpopular with their fans. It just seems as if Canadian fans are particularly sensitive and can't tolerate any criticism whatever when it comes to their skaters.

I don't consider ANY skater perfect. They all have flaws.

BTW, over on FSU they have a project called THE JUDGES TABLE which does a review of each GP event. They just did one of Skate Canada. If you think some of the things I said were harsh, DON'T go there! (and several of the contributors there are Canadian, too).

 

[Daniel1998]

I don't think Seguin/Bilodeau will be able to top them as I think Savchenko/Massot have better technical elements and flow across the ice. I am really excited for the pairs event as these are two teams who really demonstrate their love for figure skating, when I watch them I get the feeling that both teams are just incredibly grateful to just be on ice.

Correction- Savchenko is grateful to just be on the ice. Massot is just grateful to be on the ice with Savchenko.
But yes, both teams have a joyful quality to them for sure. Always positive.

 

[lyndichee]

Guys....I don't hate anyone. I just have opinions, which are based on observation and logic. I have opinions about some US skaters, too, which makes me unpopular with their fans. It just seems as if Canadian fans are particularly sensitive and can't tolerate any criticism whatever when it comes to their skaters.

I don't consider ANY skater perfect. They all have flaws.

BTW, over on FSU they have a project called THE JUDGES TABLE which does a review of each GP event. They just did one of Skate Canada. If you think some of the things I said were harsh, DON'T go there! (and several of the contributors there are Canadian, too).

You have an obvious bias against the Canadians in this forum. While we were pointing out real examples of your bias (we can handle and explain out opinions just fine thank you), you went around making these irrelevant one line posts in this thread about how terrible Canadians are. Please do not pretend you are so much more enlightened when in reality you are more of a nuisance.

The judging panel is the judging panel, your posts here were mostly not about judging, just how terrible Canadians are.

It's Skate Canada after all. What else would one expect? hwell:

This is a discussion board. It is for OPINIONS. You often don't like my opinions, and sometimes I don't like yours. That's normal.

You don't like any of our opinions.

With much grousing from the Canadian fans..................

After reading reports that Canadian crowds routinely start leaving before a competition is over, while skaters are still competing on the ice, just to get a head start on traffic, I will never attend a competition in Canada.

4everchan verified that lots of people did leave before the competition was over.

Please stop pretending to be something you are not. Many people have countered you with logic but it is clear you just want to dislike Canadians and their figure skaters. If you want go on rants about why they suck so much, please realize there is a limit and maybe you should start your own blog about it because this thread is clearly tired of your harassment.

But then again, you haven't answered any of my posts and have been avoiding them for the last couple of pages quoting you and addressing the points you make, so I am assuming you are in denial.

I don't get what is so particularly unforgivable about the conduct of Canadian fans when many fans of different nationalities have done similar or worse conduct. Your "passion" for this thread is clearly fueled by your dislike for Canadians and their skaters, not by a love for the sport so please do us a favour and leave our nationalities out of figure skating discussions and focus on why all of us are really here at Golden Skate, the beauty of figure skating.

 

[TGee]

PJ Kwong's thoughts and predictions ahead of the Rostelecom Cup

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/figureskating/rostelecom-cup-preview-1.3832516

 

[mrrice]

topic:

Canadians.....I don't know how many of you will understand this question but, I'm going to ask it anyway. How many of you make fun of American's for saying Ab(out), instead of Ab(oat). After some of our conversations last evening, I started thinking of all the good times I've have in Canada. I met a very nice man from Saskatchewan and we.....hung out for over a month as he followed our tour before we left the Country. He used to make fun of the way I talked and it used to crack me up. I was watching the Rick Mercer Report and Rick and Jann Arden went on a date. Rick got all excited to see her tour bus and She said "Everybody get's so excited Ab(oat) the buses. It made me crack up.

Holy Cow!!! I found it, this is the show when Jann takes Rick on the bus and says "Aboat'........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF-9hA_xygc

 

[blueberryhill]

topic:

Canadians.....I don't know how many of you will understand this question but, I'm going to ask it anyway. How many of you make fun of American's for saying Ab(out), instead of Ab(oat). After some of our conversations last evening, I started thinking of all the good times I've have in Canada. I met a very nice man from Saskatchewan and we.....hung out for over a month as he followed our tour before we left the Country. He used to make fun of the way I talked and it used to crack me up. I was watching the Rick Mercer Report and Rick and Jann Arden went on a date. Rick got all excited to see her tour bus and She said "Everybody get's so excited Ab(oat) the buses. It made me crack up.

Just a brief answer because I don't want to go off-topic, I've never had a problem with most American accents because I've grown up watching American tv so I'm used to everything. The only word that I find very noticable is the word "roof" because I find Americans say very fast almost in the same way we would say "woof" but Canadians kinda stretch it out more!

 

[chuckm]

I have complained about horn blowing and booing at Euros. Behavior at figure skating events in Europe sometimes is far worse than anything seen in North America. Remember the incidents of fans getting on the ice and frightening skaters at Worlds back in the 90s?

BTW, "logic" is not repeating the same words over and over again, which is mostly what fan posts do. I know you love your skaters and want them to do well. If you had your druthers, they'd be on the World podium this year and the Olympic podium next year.

Unfortunately, wishing doesn't make it so, and fans can't make it happen. Only the skaters themselves can work on their weaknesses, build their strengths and make themselves more competitive.

 

[mrrice]

topic: I still can't believe that happened. So here you are at your country's first Winter Olympics EVER, with hard-to-get figure skating tickets that probably cost an arm and a leg, but because the home country's favourite skater withdrawals, you just get up and LEAVE?

Mind blowing. :shocked:

I think it was probably harder for the Russians as Plushy was the only Russian Man who had a chance at medaling. Remember, Russian Men were the 2 time and defending Gold medalists in the event and it had to be disappointing for the home crowd not to see Plushy take the ice. I know I was disappointed and I wasn't even there. I'm sure the fans were heartbroken. There were people in tears after Jennifer Robinson fell during her Moon Ghost performance at the 2001 Worlds in Vancouver. I was sad for Elvis Stojko who fell during the SP and you could tell he was sad for not skating well. Remember when he said "Sorry" during his bows. That almost made me cry and I was cheering for Plushy. I always want the skaters to be happy and when they don't skate well, it always tugs my heart a little bit. Especially as I get older.

Here it is. Rough day at the office. You can see him say sorry before his first bow. It still makes sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gScTqAb4NTg

 

[TGee]

I think it was probably harder for the Russians as Plushy was the Man who had a chance at medaling. I'm sure the fans were heartbroken. There were people in tears after Jennifer Robinson fell during her Moon Ghost performance in Vancouver. I was sad for Elvis Stojko who fell during the SP and you could tell he was sad for not skating well. Remember when he said "Sorry" during his bows. That almost made me cry and I was cheering for Plushy. I always want to be happy and when they don't skate well, it always tugs my heart a little bit. Especially as I get older.

More than just their only man in the competition, Plushenko is one of the "great ones" who made a lasting transformation of the technical approach to the sport.

Seeing his attempt to go forward and then leave the ice affected psychology of the whole event. I felt strongly that it led to Kevin Reynold's awful SP as he had to come to the ice directly after Plushenko left the ice.....especially as they had faced off in the LP of the team event....

And that seemed to kick off the splatfest that ran through the men's event.

So if stunned and shocked Russian fans felt that they couldn't bear to stay for the event, at that point, I can understand it.

In fact, I recall that after Kevin's SP, I turned off the TV for a while, and only looked at the recording a few hours later....

 

[TGee]

BTW, over on FSU they have a project called THE JUDGES TABLE which does a review of each GP event. They just did one of Skate Canada. If you think some of the things I said were harsh, DON'T go there! (and several of the contributors there are Canadian, too).

Uhm, chuckm, just to be clear we don't go there because we don't agree with behaviour that we see is permitted there.

In in my case, I followed both for a while and made a choice. And one of the things that I considered was the way a Canadian member was treated when she politely indicated that things had gone too far.

If if the other forum wants to become an almost exclusively American forum, that is what it is. But GS is doing its best to be a multinational English language forum, and we appreciate the good work of the moderators to uphold the guidelines.

If you belong to both, please remember what forum you are on when you post to GS. I believe that we've seen a great number of examples from you in the past two weeks that demonstrate that you are either forgetting GS guidelines or intentionally pressing the limits of them.

Several of us have tried to give you the message.

Your is response is invariably to say that Canadian members are too sensitive. Perhaps it's that we have a different tolerance for incivility and by our norms you are inappropriate.