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2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

Thank you Mango for starting and maintaining this thread! I'll be the first to admit that I don't go into the fan feats all that often. I see nothing wrong with this thread; after all, we have threads dedicated to American and Russian and Japanese skaters, so having one for Canadian skaters is not far fetched at all.
 
While public mention of a possible split between Pasquale and Anjelika was a late summer rumour, W/P would have been unfortunately in the midst of any tension....

And while Nicolas Morosov is the first coach listed in their update ISU database biography, Pasquale is still listed in second place and Anjelika's name has been removed altogether.

ON the other hand, other dance teams coached by the couple do still list both in there ISU biographies ....This includes Hawayek and Baker...but Anjelika was alone with them at both Autumn Classic and Skate Canada which seems to confirm something is up.

So while not looking to feed the rumours, the evidence is adding up that was an impediment to keeping both Pasquale and Anjelika in their coaching team....

I saw a photo today of Anjelika and Pasquale together at Rostelecom Cup practice.....
 
I missed this but

Ilyushechkina and Moscovitch have been working on a throw quad Salchow, and had considered debuting it this week but decided it wasn't quite ready.

:eeking:

Now if they could work on the SBS jumps too...
 
they also almost have a throw quad flip...

Yes they are practicing one and apparently landed one during practice at Skate Canada.

I think they need to get their SBS jumps down first. Clean programs first are better than putting in quads in my opinion.
 
Oh, I'm so excited and nervous to see WeaPo! I hope they show up and blow everyone's minds.

How does everybody feel about WeaPo in relation to Tessa and Scott's return? While I love V/M as much as the next person does, the whole situation with WeaPo being regulated back to number two hurts my heart. :sad21: I wonder if it played a part in their move to Russia? I realize there were a lot of other factors that lead to the move as well, but I could see this as a big reason for wanting to make a change.

Wait, did they actually move to train Russia? Why did I think they were still training in the US?
 
Wait, did they actually move to train Russia? Why did I think they were still training in the US?

Over the summer they were in New Jersey with Morozov but they have been in Russia with him since shortly after high performance camp. They didn't get great levels today in the SD but the program, in my opinion, is very promising. They will make the necessary adjustments. Kaitlyn look absolutely fierce!
 
Agree completely with this. They may not even NEED a quad if they skate clean with their current content. Though, maybe they want vs. need to do it.
Yes they are practicing one and apparently landed one during practice at Skate Canada.

I think they need to get their SBS jumps down first. Clean programs first are better than putting in quads in my opinion.
 
I saw a photo today of Anjelika and Pasquale together at Rostelecom Cup practice.....

Really good to hear....

When coaches are couples, and their lives and that of their kids is involved, one really hopes all is going for the best...
 
Yes they are practicing one and apparently landed one during practice at Skate Canada.

I think they need to get their SBS jumps down first. Clean programs first are better than putting in quads in my opinion.

i saw a non-landed attempt last year early in the season as well..

Here's where I disagree with you though :

An area for progress is available there for them with the throws. Lubov usually lands her throws. Why not keep pushing?
Even with all the work they do with SBS, it shouldn't be the only area they try to improve. I agree it would be nice to have clean programs and that ideally, after getting clean programs, they would augment difficulty (seems like the model for Chinese teams)... but then, if the quads are knocking on the door, why not open it?
Pragmatically, Lubov and Dylan need whatever points they can get, especially since they may lose some on the SBS. I guess that's also why Kavaguti/Smirnoff were doing quad throws....i think their jumping passes included a 2A...
 
So thoughts on this weekend of Canadian skating?
 
I think Elladj did very well. Of course, he remains behind guys like Patrick, Kevin, Nam, even Keegan because his quad isn't there but I love seeing him skate, and I think his SP music is just awesome for him.


Dance: It was to be expected that Weapo, since they hadn't done any events prior would get low levels. I really like the second half of their SD and I am probably one of the only ones who like their FD... but of course, it will develop and get better. It's too bad though that they started in Russia... When we look at the world rankings, Weapo are ahead of many teams, including the Russians, so finishing in third here can be seen as either a lack of exposure to the judges, or many other things... what it does to Canadian skating though is that now, the Russians are taking a spot for the GPF (which perhaps they wouldn't deserve based on what may happen in at worlds) and it means that most likely, GP and Weapo are fighting for the last GPF spot.

Pairs : We all agree that Charlie and Julianne struggled a bit this weekend. However, when we compare to other things messing up SBS in other events, I am not sure that they were treated like contenders and winners of SA. Their PCS are so low. They are so far away from their PB.... especially in the LP when the only big mistake was one fall.... erm... a lot of teams have one fall or a pop and still manage to score high.... I wasn't NOT impressed... seemed to be a way again to secure spots for other teams in GPF... I don't want to sound Russophobe because I am not. But damn, when I think about it, that's all I can see.

On the other hand, Ruest and Wolfe, at their first ever GP got just behind with Julianne and Charlie in 6th.... they of course didn't score super high but were noticed and appreciated for what they did and rightly so... of course, they are not contenders yet... so they were rewarded ;) and even got to skate at the gala which pleased me. I think that with such a new team, having these opportunities is wonderful, it tells them : guys you are part of this... you are in the elite of pairs... keep working hard....

Talking about Ruest and Wolfe to end this post allows me to finish on a very positive note !!! YAY !!!!!
So thoughts on this weekend of Canadian skating?
 
Seguin/Bilodeau are not out of it as far as the GPF is concerned.

The only FOR SUREs are Duhamel/Radford and Savchenko / Massot.

Next week, one of Zabijako / Enbert and Tarasova / Morozov will kill off the other, unless James / Cipres plays the spoiler and ruins it for both.

In China, it's likely that YU / ZHANG will qualify and at least one other Chinese team will medal. Iliushechkina / Moscovitch would be very lucky to win another bronze, but that would them with 22 points, in line behind Seguin / Bilodeau (15/7) and Denney / Frazier (13/9).

At NHK, Duhamel / Radford and a Chinese team will qualify.

It looks to me as if next week in Paris may be crucial. Perhaps we should hope for CASTELLI / TRAN and JAMES / CIPRES to rise from the ashes and take silver and bronze in that order, thus eliminating Z/E and T/M.

Then the final would be Savchenko / Massot, Duhamel / Radford, Yu / Zhang, Peng / Jin, Seguin / Bilodeau, Denney / Frazier
 
chuckm, i have come to similar conclusions, hoping that some spoil it for Z/E :devil: because truly, I didn't enjoy their skating at all.... and was disappointed for others. However, whether Castelli and Tran, K/O'Shea or even Kavaguti/Smirnoff spoil it for others, the problem resides : Seguin/Bilodeau are counting on the right teams to do well and the contenders to do badly... not ideal. Lubov and Dylan could also get a silver... even if it's a tough one, and then would get 24 points.... We will see what happens but I feel that the Russians have an advantage, and I would be fine if it were a great team but it's not the case here IMHO.

In any case, I am counting on James and Cipres to leave their anger at home and perform exactly or even better as they did as ACI. They were stellar there.
 
Home ice helped Lubov and Dylan to get the bronze at SC but they have no such advantage at CoC. Silver medal for I/M is less likely than a Chinese sweep.
 
don't know about a sweep... don't forget that Li and Han have both been lowballed before in COC... so I don't necessarily think it's impossible for them to get onto the podium and even challenge for second.
Home ice helped Lubov and Dylan to get the bronze at SC but they have no such advantage at CoC. Silver medal for I/M is less likely than a Chinese sweep.
 
i saw a non-landed attempt last year early in the season as well..

Here's where I disagree with you though :

An area for progress is available there for them with the throws. Lubov usually lands her throws. Why not keep pushing?
Even with all the work they do with SBS, it shouldn't be the only area they try to improve. I agree it would be nice to have clean programs and that ideally, after getting clean programs, they would augment difficulty (seems like the model for Chinese teams)... but then, if the quads are knocking on the door, why not open it?
Pragmatically, Lubov and Dylan need whatever points they can get, especially since they may lose some on the SBS. I guess that's also why Kavaguti/Smirnoff were doing quad throws....i think their jumping passes included a 2A...

I took note of a comment by Tracy Wilson during Skate Canada coverage. . .

The host (Rod Black?) was really pressing on how unfortunate it was that I/M were not delivering clean skates, and drilling on Lubov's jumps....

Tracy finally said something along the lines that Lubov has such lovely jumps that it's really to bad that THEY can't get it together so that she can consistently do them in competition.

I'd posited earlier in this thread that problems in SBS jumps are a pairs issue, as they need to match timing, not just something to attribute to one member of the pair....

Sounds like Tracy was try to put that out there...

And there was a good deal of comment on The Rostelecom Cup pairs thread about how Marchei and Hotarek's SBS jumps were not synched at all on the take off and rotations but only on the landing. Folks were surprised that there was not any downgrading of GOE for a visible lack of simultaneity.....

Wonder if the effort and risk in retraining jumps to match is sufficiently rewarded....
 
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