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2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

Crest or Colgate. Considering the beautiful smiles of our skaters. Makeup brand for Gabby. Vegan brand for Meagan. Today on social media, I saw back to back pictures of Bilodeau and Trudeau. They have the same eyebrows. :)
 
Crest or Colgate. Considering the beautiful smiles of our skaters. Makeup brand for Gabby. Vegan brand for Meagan. Today on social media, I saw back to back pictures of Bilodeau and Trudeau. They have the same eyebrows. :)

Well, I'd been thinking more of major or title sponsors for Skate Canada overall, or for Skate Canada International, Autumn Classic, or the Next Generation program.

Taking a leaf from the US, a major tissue company for the KnC is an idea....;)

MetLife sponsors a World Cup badminton event .... would like to see something like that from one of the big insurers....

But for national team members, it is a question.....They aren't managed like skaters in some other countries, and I'm wondering about what kinds of sponsorships might bump up against he rules for Sport Canada carding...

That said, it seems like the coach company that made Alaine's grandfather's RV should be make the most of the association of a glamorous young women with their vehicle...
 
Well, I'd been thinking more of major or title sponsors for Skate Canada overall, or for Skate Canada International, Autumn Classic, or the Next Generation program.

Taking a leaf from the US, a major tissue company for the KnC is an idea....;)

MetLife sponsors a World Cup badminton event .... would like to see something like that from one of the big insurers....

But for national team members, it is a question.....They aren't managed like skaters in some other countries, and I'm wondering about what kinds of sponsorships might bump up against he rules for Sport Canada carding...

That said, it seems like the coach company that made Alaine's grandfather's RV should be make the most of the association of a glamorous young women with their vehicle...

then, canadian industries... Milk, wheat and maple syrup ;)
 
Wasn't Cheerios sponsoring Patrick into the 2010 Olympics? I remember he was always on TV for that, now he's sponsored by RBC. These are all more of an Olympics thing though.

And RIM is a bad idea, I went to Waterloo for school and they were selling their buildings to us to pay off debts. Not so good.

Maybe Lassonde Inc? Quebec based company that owns Oasis who sponsored Kaetlyn Osmond during Sochi. A food/drink brand wouldn't be so bad, Gracie Gold also used to be sponsored by Smuckers.
 
Smoke's Poutinerie would be a perfect Canadian sponsor. :laugh:

Though I have a hard time imagining an elite figure skater chowing down on anything from their menu.
 
Thinking about some Canadian skaters/ brand commercials over the years, to see if there are any potential suitors

Karen Magnussen - Fleischmann's Margarine (I was a kid, ...okay!!!)
Elizabeth Manley -McCain's Mr. Juicy bars
Kurt Browning - McDonalds, Home Equity Bank
Elvis Stojko - McCain's Juice boxes
Joannie Rochette - Cold FX
Patrick Chan - Cheerios, McDonalds

McDonalds and McCains are still today, good corporate sponsors of sporting events.
 
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^Absolutely not! Though I've still got a soft spot for Alaine, so please don't count her our either. :)

P2 need to look at their levels. It wasn't just the twizzle error - they lost levels. The good thing is that they were not killed on PCS. They have a chance at bronze...will be difficult to make up a four point gap for silver. Likely no GPF. :( But then again, big gaps in competition give them ample time to tweak programs. And I have faith in that FD. I hope they go extremely clean.

Gabby listened to you guys!! Well done 4everchan and Osmond4gold!! So you expect those kinds of marks in Canada, with lots of poutine and homecooking but Gabby got it done in France. Regardless of what happens in the FS, that's a skate she can be proud of. Her reaction was great too. :biggrin:

TL;DR
Piper & Paul: :cry:
Gabby: :dance2:
 
I'm so glad Gabby did go for her money combo. When you have the best 3t/3t in the business better feature it. So glad. This is the program I was waiting for her to deliver. Even better than her level at world's. So happy. Piper and Paul. All All not done. IZ can make a mess in their fd. I has happened before. Focus on your brilliant tango.
 
Thanks Mango...I saw her in the warm up doing a Lutz only (no combo) and thought, hmm ...I think she's changed the layout. She heard us all the way from Montreal and Halifax ;). Yeah! And like Kaetlyn at SC, +GOE on all 3 jumping passes.

I don't want to get ahead of myself, but tomorrow will be interesting.
 
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You know it may be good for them to experience this now. To know what it feels to be in the hole in the SD. Better to cross this bridge now than 4CC or Worlds. This is also their first time in the 60s with this SD, not their fourth. Positive vibes for the tango.
 
Did anyone see Central Ontario Sectionals? The girl that won Novice Ladies, Catharine Carle, had 3S/3T and 3L in the short and five triples in the long including 2A/3T. This is a girl to watch. I would love to hear if anyone saw her.
 
Has National team funding improved?/been stable?/or deteriorated since Vancouver?

I recall there were lower profile privately sourced funding initiatives to help facilitate the needs of the elite national team members, such as paying for trainers to travel with skaters to important competitions, or helping to fund costume changes as the season progressed. Such additional support can be enough to make or break the chances for getting athletes on international podiums.
 
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Poor Gabby! It is so hard to be the last one to skate and have to follow the three strongest skaters on the roster. She was so disappointed. She should just chalk it up as a learning experience and take back with her all the positives from this outing: her highest PCS scores ever, and her highest SP score ever.
 
Well so far it is osmond, daleman, chartrand?
Mind you, not sure why gabby was crying after her FP? Sure it was a lost Grand Prix medal but she said in an interview at HP camp, medals don't matter. She showed us that well apparently they do? Her skate wasn't even all that bad, it could have been worse.
Thoughts?
 
Umm, I'm hoping that on balance Gabby can take some learnings from this ToF experience. :console:

No one should have to compete on ice that is in that condition. Some competitors were able to adjust their ice coverage more than she....but had she done so she would have given up the TR and other components that gave her a PB in PCS to build on for future.

But I am concerned.....She started the season with the confidence and cooler nerves of a more seasoned competitor. The commentary at Nebelhorn remarked on it. Not quite to the level of "been through the fire and not giving anything away" steeliness that Kaetlyn now seems to possess, but definitely a noticeable step up above previous years....

So, I'm hoping that Barkell and Orser can help her take the right things from this event, and to take the refined steeliness into future events.

And in the end, I'm thinking that this year the ranking of our top 3 Canadian women will be largely based on the psychological resilience that leads to consistency in competition.

Which reinforces the the view that several of us have that, if there is a strategic gap in Skate Canada's approach, it is in the lack of high level strength on strength and international competition at the level just below becoming national team members.
 
commenting on TGee's and Skatergal101's posts about Gabby and Canadian women.

The way I see the competition if I play shrink with Gabby : She was ecstatic after the SP ... even BEFORE the huge score came up. She seemed even surprised to finally get BOTH recognition TES and PCS wise... It is not a small feat to manage such high GOE on all her jumping passes and no longer being labeled as a jumper only. As I said, I change favourite every competition about our Canadian ladies, but if I were to give a "most improved" award, it would be to Gabby's PCS. This year, she's worked really well and I think Lori Nichol understands what kind of programs Gabby can do well. Her programs by the way, to my untrained eye, look PACKED with difficult steps and transitions, and tons of them are while she is also building speed for her huge jumps.

Now... the LP... well. She knew the ice was a mess. I am sure she skated near the puddle in the warm up and thought, "how in the world am I going to land a 3-3 in there...." she went for it but the way she landed and fell flat almost on her face tells me she had one instant of panic in the air.... and couldn't control the exit of the jump...

Then, well she fought... but quickly realized that she shouldn't have rippon that 3LZ.... she could have tagged a 3T in the end of it.... but since she never misses the 3t-3t, she probably didn't have that thought until the jump was over.

Went to the flip, not exactly in the same spot as the puddle but in the same direction, not sure what happened there??? Did she think about adding a 3t there??? I have no clue...

The rest of the program, Gabby fought really hard... but it was too late. She had lost about 15 points on the pop and the combo (the combo gives her 10 points + she got 2 points - 1 for the fall on that attempt, 1 point there... OUCH)

I think Gabby is not used to be at the top after the SP, and her lead over 4th place was considerable. I think that's why she cried and said "4th again". If I could talk to her I would tell her that it's not a tragedy to mess up in those conditions, considering her OWN strength in speed and ice coverage and especially considering that she is not used to be in command of her own destiny after the short. I think the pain was being so close to the podium after messing up so much.... she knows that the silver/bronze were at reach... She knows she could have done it any other day. She feels she deserves an accolade because she does indeed work so hard. It seems to me they change the choreo from Skate America here... i was surprised with the flip placement (perhaps that's also why she popped it)

Looking at numbers: she got 119 points for the long.... her best score is worlds 128....
her best total score is 195 at worlds... she got 192 here...

actually, all things considered, to get on the podium she needed above 194.... so her best total world's score was needed. of course, add those 15 points she lost, and wow.. she could get to 207... and that's assuming pcs would remain more or less the same...

HUGE potential Gabby! Things will come in time. Do not focus on the results, just on the process! You will get the results when it's time! (perhaps it stings more because Alaine has won a grand prix medal and Kaetlyn a couple)


Re Kaetlyn and Alaine...

The 3 Canadian ladies this year are not in the dark.... if anyone doubted one of them last year, nobody does this year.... so all of them know that they need a big season, and a great showing at nationals. Otherwise, the season might end at 4CC.

So far, and of course, it's hard to tell as we have seen the best of Kaetlyn this year, some highs and lows from Alaine, and some HUGE highs and lows from Gabby, being able to nail only one of her two programs in her grand prix outing... I wish we could have gotten TDF's SP + SA's LP for Gabby in one competition... watch out! When she does it, it will be up there!!!!

So, what will Kaetlyn bring this coming weekend at COC? Will Alaine do better than at SC???

I HOPE they both will do well.... but if I had to make a Canadian ranking right now : I'd say that even with her misfortune yesterday, Gabby has found the perfect SP to keep her in the top 6 at worlds... Final flight is mandatory for any chance of a good result.... especially in the ladies field at worlds.. Kaetlyn is just as strong and we will see if her big 3f-3t remains consistent. I think that's key. Alaine has had difficulties with elevation in her jumps at SC. A couple UR calls and you're done. The tech panel have been stricter this year and I am happy about that. However, it gives an advantage to big jumpers like Gabby and Kaetlyn. I am in no way saying that Alaine jumps small. Her lutz can be huge! It's more the combos that will give her issues. The 3lz-3t is often two-footed and the 2a-1/2l-3S is so hard to rotate fully. I am hoping that she is addressing this right now as when she has enough speed and elevation, she is amazing in her control.

So, if I had to rank them right now, I'd put Alaine in 3rd. But, and that's the beauty of the sport, we certainly won't know until it's over ;)

Exciting! Any other comments or rankings? My analysis is subjective or course and may change in two weeks ;)
 
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commenting on post TGee's and Skatergal101's posts about Gabby and Canadian women.

The way I see the competition if I play shrink with Gabby : She was ecstatic after the SP ... even BEFORE the huge score came up. She seemed even surprised to finally get BOTH recognition TES and PCS wise... It is not a small feat to manage such high GOE on all her jumping passes and no longer being labeled as a jumper only. As I said, I change favourite every competition about our Canadian ladies, but if I were to give a "most improved" award, it would be to Gabby's PCS. This year, she's worked really well and I think Lori Nichol understands what kind of programs Gabby can do well. Her programs by the way, to my untrained eye, look PACKED with difficult steps and transitions, and tons of them are while she is also building speed for her huge jumps.

Now... the LP... well. She knew the ice was a mess. I am sure she skated near the puddle in the warm up and thought, "how in the world am I going to land a 3-3 in there...." she went for it but the way she landed and fell flat almost on her face tells me she had one instant of panic in the air.... and couldn't control the exit of the jump...

Then, well she fought... but quickly realized that she shouldn't have rippon that 3LZ.... she could have tagged a 3T in the end of it.... but since she never misses the 3t-3t, she probably didn't have that thought until the jump was over.

Went to the flip, not exactly in the same spot as the puddle but in the same direction, not sure what happened there??? Did she think about adding a 3t there??? I have no clue...

The rest of the program, Gabby fought really hard... but it was too late. She had lost about 15 points on the pop and the combo (the combo gives her 10 points + she got 2 points - 1 for the fall on that attempt, 1 point there... OUCH)

I think Gabby is not used to be at the top after the SP, and her lead over 4th place was considerable. I think that's why she cried and said "4th again". If I could talk to her I would tell her that it's not a tragedy to mess up in those conditions, considering her OWN strength in speed and ice coverage and especially considering that she is not used to be in command of her own destiny after the short. I think the pain was being so close about messing up so much.... she knows that the silver/bronze were at reach... She knows she could have done it any other day. She feels she deserves an accolade because she does indeed work so hard. It seems to me they change the choreo from Skate America here... i was surprised with the flip placement (perhaps that's also why she popped it)

Looking at numbers: she got 119 points for the long.... her best score is worlds 128....
her best total score is 195 at worlds... she got 192 here...

actually, all things considered, to get on the podium she needed above 194.... so her best total world's score was needed. of course, add those 15 points she lost, and wow.. she could get to 207... and that's assuming pcs would remain more or less the same...

HUGE potential Gabby! Things will come in time. Do not focus on the results, just on the process! You will get the results when it's time! (perhaps it stings more because Alaine has won a grand prix medal and Kaetlyn a couple)


Re Kaetlyn and Alaine...

The 3 Canadian ladies this year are not in the dark.... if anyone doubted one of them last year, nobody does this year.... so all of them know that they need a big season, and a great showing at nationals. Otherwise, the season might end at 4CC.

So far, and of course, it's hard to tell as we have seen the best of Kaetlyn this year, some highs and lows from Alaine, and some HUGE highs and lows from Gabby, being able to nail only one of her two programs in her grand prix outing... I wish we could have gotten TDF's SP + SA's LP for Gabby in one competition... watch out! When she does it, it will be up there!!!!

So, will Kaetlyn bring this coming weekend at COC? Will Alaine do better than at SC???

I HOPE they both will.... but if I had to make a Canadian ranking right now : I'd say that even with her misfortune yesterday, Gabby has found the perfect SP to keep her in the top 6 at worlds... Final flight is mandatory for any chance of a good result.... especially in the ladies field at worlds.. Kaetlyn is just as strong and we will see if her big 3f-3t remains consistent. I think that's key. Alaine has had difficulties with elevation in her jumps at SC. A couple UR calls and you're done. The tech panel have been stricter this year and I am happy about that. However, it gives an advantage to big jumpers like Gabby and Kaetlyn. I am in no way saying that Alaine jumps small. Her lutz can be huge! It's more the combos that will give her issues. The 3lz-3t is often two-footed and the 2a-1/2l-3S is so hard to rotate fully. I am hoping that she is addressing this right now as when she has enough speed and elevation, she is amazing in her control.

So, if I had to rank them right now, I'd put Alaine in 3rd. But, and that's the beauty of the sport, we certainly won't know until it's over ;)

Exciting! Any other comments or rankings? My analysis is subjective or course and may change in two weeks ;)

I think that you have it about right....but I'd put Kaetlyn in a slightly stronger position based on psychological strength provided she continues physically well and progressing.

Alaine is evidently still working through the outcomes of coaching changes in the last two years. We've talked in other threads about how hard it is to correct technique.....The two foot landings, or brush of the free foot, seem a legacy that is taking a long time to resolve in competition. I could be wrong, but it seems that she keeps her free leg in tight to the centre axis and swings it though close that. If she tries to get it away from her centre, she risks the jump and has a turn out. But if she keeps it in too close for too long, then a two foot will result. I really wonder how confident she will be able to be until she knows that she can almost always deliver a jump in the box.
 
i adore Alaine for many reasons, including her innovative spin positions and her step sequences. I also think that she perhaps has the most nerve control out of the 3 but that's just my perception... and it's very subjective... but yeah... you have explained very well what I see here....it's true she has a tight leg position but then brushes the ice... i hope it can be fixed because when on, she is absolutely fantastic. I loved seeing her live at ACI she won the night for all of us.... and Mrai was lucky there, because she had a huge lead in the SP... Alaine almost caught her up.... so that shows how resilient she is what she can achieve.
I think that you have it about right....but I'd put Kaetlyn in a slightly stronger position based on psychological strength provided she continues physically well and progressing.

Alaine is evidently still working through the outcomes of coaching changes in the last two years. We've talked in other threads about how hard it is to correct technique.....The two foot landings, or brush of the free foot, seem a legacy that is taking a long time to resolve in competition. I could be wrong, but it seems that she keeps her free leg in tight to the centre axis and swings it though close that. If she tries to get it away from her centre, she risks the jump and has a turn out. But if she keeps it in too close for too long, then a two foot will result. I really wonder how confident she will be able to be until she knows that she can almost always deliver a jump in the box.
 
I'd say Kaetlyn has a far better chance of making the podium at CoC than Alaine does at NHK.

At CoC, the top competition is WAGNER, who won SA; RADIONOVA, who was second at COR, but not impressive there; MIHARA, a newbie who won bronze at SA; and HICKS, who sneaked in for bronze at COR when Lipnitskaia self-destructed.

WAGNER wasn't at her best at SA, but she had just returned from the Japan Open and had been on tour in Japan for some time leading up to that, so she wasn't that comfortable with her competition programs as yet. She should be lot sharper after a month of intensive practice.

RADIONOVA looked a little ragged in Moscow. Not sure what her problem is, but she struggled a bit with some of her jumps. She does have charisma and still gets high PCS scores.

MIHARA is still a bit juniorish, but she has high technical content and she is capable of executing two clean programs with the high content.

HICKS surprised in Russia. She has great speed and seems to be in control of her jumps, which was a problem for her in the past. She does not flutz or lip.

Other competitors include TUKTAMYSHEVA, who hasn't been able to put it all together so far this season. Zijun LI is as charming as ever, but also just as slow. She is training with Mishin now, but it is too soon to see any improvement. Rika HONGO was lowballed in Canada, but may get a better reception in Asia. We haven't seen much of Karen CHEN yet, but she did have one excellent outing in the summer.

Kaetlyn probably can't expect the very high scores she received on home ice, but she does have a very good chance to medal if she skates her best here.

NHK is a very tough proposition for Alaine. There are four competitors here who scored over 190 total in their last GP event:

POGORILAYA (215.21, COR, 15) Her World bronze has given her a new confidence. She is out to win NHK and battle Medved for GPF gold.

SOTSKOVA (200.35, TDF, 13) Runnerup to Medved in her GP debut, an elegant skater who doesn't flutz or lip

HIGUCHI (194.48, TDF, 11) Also Medved runnerup in her GP debut, a powerhouse who can also emote

MIYAHARA (192.08, SC, 11) World medalist dangerous on home ice

Alaine's 185.56 from SC 2016 is her Personal Best, so she'd have to add about 10 points to that to make the podium at NHK.
 
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