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Yuzuru is the one who decides about his own fate. A 2+4, with four different quads, with his overall quality and complexity when it comes to those programs, skated cleanly and he's unreachable. That he has to skate clean is not really news, and I am sure he wants it too, especially after Sochi.

As for others it is not Nathan and Boyang who are potentially biggest threats next season; it is Nathan and Shoma. Shoma already has pretty high PCS, and is more than likely going for a 4 quad FS at 4CC in a few days with the new 4Lo. Nathan has another season or so to boost his PCS, and since we know how that goes, first he has to do well at Worlds primarily. Javier and Patrick seem to have capped at 2+3 and are going for the clean five, risk that it will more than likely be. But I don't think Patrick has a choice, while Javier seems to have decided this. Anyway, depending how it goes, it is very probable that even their clean 5 might be enough for a medal, considering their experience and overall quality.

In any case, it's still all on Yuzuru and I trust him to know what's the right take on it. Much like he was right about the 4Lo, if he includes the 4Lz next season, then there's a good reason for that. I really want us to get through this season first though, with hopefully clean LGC and H&G, in one competition.
 
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wookchub said:
But when the 4Lz talk comes around, I can't help but think it's really not necessary for Yuzuru. If everyone goes clean-ish (imagine????) Yuzu still wins with his current layout.
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We don't know the other guys' layouts for next season though. While I'd agree that very, very likely what Yuzu is going for now, perfectly clean, will give him a win too, I would not be 100% sure. Shoma might bring the 4Lo (though that makes him even with Yuzu in quad difficulty, not better), Boyang also trains the 4Lo, Nathan might go for a 6th quad in the LP or 'at least' repeat the 4Lz or 4F instead of the 4T... and I feel like Yuzu wants to know it's his to lose, completely independently from other guys' mistakes. Which might make the 4Lz 'necessary'.
There's also the point that I think Yuzu just really likes his quads :laugh:

Yatagarasu said:
As for others it is not Nathan and Boyang who are potentially biggest threats next season; it is Nathan and Shoma.
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I know why you're saying that, but... :( :scowl:
 
I think the crux of the matter really is that Yuzuru just really likes quads haha

"Yuzuru, did you decide on a 6 quad program because of the pressure to stay ahead of Nathan, Shoma, and Boyang?"
"Naaaah I just got bored in practice last week and thought 6 quads would be a laugh"
 
Sorrento said:
Since Brian's interview to Icetalk and then American Champs and Nathan's 5 quads in LP I can't help but thinking... As Brian said that Yuzu is very competitive and we all sort of know that... Do you think he might add 5th quad to his FS next season or... add a new quad?
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In my opinion he will bring 4lz. I just don't know when. Maybe right at 4CC or maybe after WC. He still has WTT to try it out.
 
Meoima said:
In my opinion he will bring 4lz. I just don't know when. Maybe right at 4CC or maybe after WC. He still has WTT to try it out.
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You think there's a chance of it for 4CC even? I mean his 4Lo is not yet stable, adding another variable of that sort is risky ... I'd say it's unlikely. WTT though, I think highly likely. Though it's Yuzuru, who the heck knows. I guess we'll see in 10 days or so.
 
Yeah I think Boyang is taking a bit of a hit points-wise bc he's working more on PCS and that's lowering the consistency of his jumps. Sad, because I really appreciate that he's trying. Nathan on the other hand, doesn't look like he'll be working on that until after Pyeongchang just to be safe. Which is smart bc obv TES is working for him rn. And Shoma idk, he seems very undecided on his quad loop prospects especially going into Oly season. But since the BV pressure is higher now, he might add it. Shoma gets more PCS than the other two, so if he does add another quad he's a very solid challenger.

Honestly, if Yuzu skates clean with his current layout, he will win. But he's unpredictable and he wants to improve each year. He's also really prideful? I don't know how to explain, but if Yuzu sees Nathan doing 5 quads he's definitely going to have that competitive fire lit. But I wanna see him clean more than anything else. If he insists on adding a 4Lz or anything else crazy, I swear I'm gonna go into cardiac arrest and die early.
 
I'd focus now more on 4CC and then on Worlds, and we will know a lot more after those two competitions. At the moment I also see Nathan and Shoma as the biggest threats for the future, along with Patrick and Javier, but it all could be changed in the next months...If Nathan and Shoma skate very well at the remaining competitions this season, then it will boost their PCS a lot, and this could also have a major impact on their next season as well. I don't think Nathan's component scores will skyrocket in a couple of months (though anything can happen in the world of fs), but with higher bv and a help of generous GOE he can be a real threat - if he stays healthy and handles the pressure of the Olympic season well. There are too many ifs.:think:

As for now I think if Yuzuru skates clean in both his SP and LP, he is untouchable. If he will really need that 4Lz next season, we don't know yet. But I agree with Yatagarasu that whatever his decision will be for his layout next season, there will be a very good reason for it. As a fan of him and his skating I can do nothing but trust him 100%, stay calm and focus only on the positive things. :yes:
Now I wish him to do his very best next week and in March, as I really want him to do very well in the short with a perfect 4Lo, and I wish for a mistake-free, beautiful Hope&Legacy at one of the competitions (or at both of them if I can ask for more ;) ).
 
I would be more anxious if it wasn't because there's no one here who wants to win as much as he does, which probably means that he has thought about all our crazy ifs and theories we hav ediscussed here and that probably means he has a plan. Yuzu won't give up because of any of those ifs, he knows he can be beatable under the right conditions, and that combined with the wake up call that was Boston, i think we shouldn't worry THAT much (it's better for our nerves hahaha)
Hopefully 4CC will bring us some tranquility :laugh:
 
You guys are way more optimistic than I am about Yuzu winning a second OGM. The fact that he already has one works against him, as does the fact that he's from Japan--the ISU would love to see a North American or European win because they foolishly believe it will revive interest in the sport in those countries.

So before he even starts to skate, he's already at a disadvantage.

And adding to that, I still believe his coaching situation is less than optimal. Brian increasingly looks and sounds burned out--not surprising, given all the skaters he's currently coaching. But why he's stretching himself so thin is a mystery to me: In Yuzu and Javi he has two of the top men's skaters in the world and you would think he would expend most of his time and energy on them--not just in directly coaching them but also in thinking about them, strategizing with them, doing everything possible to improve their chances of winning in 2018. That's what Brian Boitano's coach Linda Leaver did for him leading up to the 1988 Olympics. And we all know how that turned out.
 
kiches said:
Thanks gladiolusc for sharing that (and to daisy as well for sharing bits and pieces from the book).

Brian and the rest of the Cricket Club sure do have a handful with both Javi and Yuzu! I think Brian probably sees the same (sometimes reckless) passion that Yuzu has that maybe he had as well when he was young.

I do wish we had a coach-cam at times so we can catch their reactions during their student's skates, I would've loved to see Brian's reactions from NHK and GPF in 2015.
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I found this. GPF/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LScZyb4aObs

Thank you all for precious links and translations about our boy. I trust him and I will support him in whatever he decides to do to achieve his goals. He is extremely competitive and unpredictable, which leaves me with tachycardia, but after thinking for a while on how much he matured and accomplished after five months of seclusion due to his injury, my heart is quiet. If he adds 4LTZ it's because he can do it. I believe that Yuzu did not take unnecessary risks. He will win 4CC / 17, WC / 17 and WTT / 17 and then have a beautiful graduation. The alien will receive his diploma ... Time is passing so quickly ... I want him to be very happy and healthy always and that we can enjoy his skating for many years.
 
Sydney Rose said:
You guys are way more optimistic than I am about Yuzu winning a second OGM. The fact that he already has one works against him, as does the fact that he's from Japan--the ISU would love to see a North American or European win because they foolishly believe it will revive interest in the sport in those countries.
So before he even starts to skate, he's already at a disadvantage.
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This is true. After Sochi, there has been rumors among Russian fed that they will look for "someone else" for next Olympic. But again, it is not like Yuzuru will just give up without a fight. My biggest hope is he will do well enough and retire by 2019 regardless of what will happen in 2018. Cause 2022 is not good for his body and his luck.

Sydney Rose said:
And adding to that, I still believe his coaching situation is less than optimal. Brian increasingly looks and sounds burned out--not surprising, given all the skaters he's currently coaching. But why he's stretching himself so thin is a mystery to me: In Yuzu and Javi he has two of the top men's skaters in the world and you would think he would expend most of his time and energy on them--not just in directly coaching them but also in thinking about them, strategizing with them, doing everything possible to improve their chances of winning in 2018. That's what Brian Boitano's coach Linda Leaver did for him leading up to the 1988 Olympics. And we all know how that turned out.
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I also think Brian is stretching himself quite thin. But again, Yuzuru has other coaches at CC who could take care of him. CC has many coaches. Orser might not spend his time with Yuzuru and Javi as much as people think. Not to mention, at this point, top skaters know what they should fix in their technique, especially someone who is as smart as Yuzuru. I even heard that Yuzuru even taught someone to do some specific turns and moves in practice. Yuzuru himself knows more than most average coach I think.
 
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I just hope he stays healthy. No difficult layout or amount of politics in the world can do him any good if he is injured.

Last year Nathan had to withdraw from worlds and 4CC because of hip injury and just recently I heard that Satoko withdrew from 4CC also because of injury, which is quite a shame. Whatever happen in the years to come and whatever layout that he chose to do, I hope he will have skates that he can be proud of. :thumbsup:

Sydney Rose said:
But why he's stretching himself so thin is a mystery to me: In Yuzu and Javi he has two of the top men's skaters in the world and you would think he would expend most of his time and energy on them--not just in directly coaching them but also in thinking about them, strategizing with them, doing everything possible to improve their chances of winning in 2018. That's what Brian Boitano's coach Linda Leaver did for him leading up to the 1988 Olympics. And we all know how that turned out.
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Because he did that with Yuna and we all know how it turned out for him. It ended bitterly. So I doubt he would want to spend all his focus and energy on just 1-2 top skaters anymore. Besides, he got other promising rising star skaters like Jun Hwan and Gogolev. Yuzu already had an OGM + world title, while Javi is already a 2x WC. This model seem to work well for Eteri anyway, for the longevity of the skating club (maybe not so much for the individual skaters).
 
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Thanks a lot everybody for sharing your thoughts, hopes and fears. I agree with almost everything said.:thank:
My concerns are:
Brian being way too busy with the others, I'm not sure if he realizes he may not be in the same unique position ever in his life anymore and perhaps if I were him and be a bit more selfish I'd distance myself from the rest of the pupils at least for the Olympic season. My bet it woud be the last for both of his Champions and he has to face that and take the most advantage of being their coach. That's me being selfish.;)
As per 4Lz. Well... Wouldn't it be too late to take another quad out of the pocket when you haven't really mastered it completely (having at least 2 seasons of regular shows pracrice?) Hmm... And he hadn't really mastered 4Lo yet. Pehaps he may add a combo with 4Lo- the max. That's were he may go- I think it's kind of more practical than adding another raw quad to the plate. That's me being safe. Sorta safe cause I have no idea how's Mr. 4Lo is doing currently.:biggrin:
He is already an OGM. I've heard the rumor about "having a different one" too. That may go for Nathan (if lucky, which is not impossible btw) or Javi (also very clean and a bit less lucky than Nathan may need to be). As per Shoma... I think he is currently in the position of the fast Yuzu substitute. As long as Yuzu is a top contender Shoma will be kept out of top 2 or maybe even 3. But if Yuzu bombs bad (unlikely but skaters to have bad days at times) Shoma will not place first. I think judges might give that priviledge to Nathan, Javi, Boyang or even Patrick (unlikely but he may get very very lucky, who knows).
What do I expect from Yuzu? Well, he may try and up his BV, hopefully not with a raw quad but he sure will try different tricks. Do I believe that he may get another OGM? Yes, with all the obstacles on his way he may. But that would be a tough battle.
 
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No relationship is perfect, but when it comes to CC I have no doubts that Brian has got Yuzu's back. He's got Javi's too. You can't work with them like he does, consider them like your sons, but also be fair-weather. Yuzuru trusts him so much, and so do I.

If he's looking worn out or stretched it's because of his nerves! We're all stressed when Yuzuru is injured, upgrading his layout, doing crazy combos - poor Brian sees all of this every day. If I were him I'd have a quad-limit and anytime Yuzu goes over it's a timeout on the naughty step :laugh: Go and sit with Pooh and think about what you've done young man
 
wookchub said:
No relationship is perfect, but when it comes to CC I have no doubts that Brian has got Yuzu's back. He's got Javi's too. You can't work with them like he does, consider them like your sons, but also be fair-weather. Yuzuru trusts him so much, and so do I.

If he's looking worn out or stretched it's because of his nerves! We're all stressed when Yuzuru is injured, upgrading his layout, doing crazy combos - poor Brian sees all of this every day. If I were him I'd have a quad-limit and anytime Yuzu goes over it's a timeout on the naughty step :laugh: Go and sit with Pooh and think about what you've done young man
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I swear I saw a fanart about this lol. But in the end he climbed out of the timeout area or something :laugh:
 
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