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2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating

As i said, an easy solution would be go back to 1 GP being enough to qualify for GPF - that would remove a bit of the pressure on giving 2 GPs to all the good ladies.

Because well, its not like russians make a lot of broadcast money, really =)
If we had a bigger global audience... If and when.
 
Meanwhile most countries have no good juniors & seniors at all. Export them, please. :sad4:

Maria Artemieva will compete for another country.

The thing is, if you change nationality you will lose all the benefits the Russian Fed provides for their skaters, and everything becomes expensive since the quality of the rinks is top notch, while in EU there is a serious lack of good ice rinks and coaches.

Anyway i believe this is not the way to go. We should build our own skaters from the ground.

It would be nicer to me if let's say our federation pays a russian coach to come here and start to build something.
 
Maria Artemieva will compete for another country.

The thing is, if you change nationality you will lose all the benefits the Russian Fed provides for their skaters, and everything becomes expensive since the quality of the rinks is top notch, while in EU there is a serious lack of good ice rinks and coaches.

Anyway i believe this is not the way to go. We should build our own skaters from the ground.

It would be nicer to me if let's say our federation pays a russian coach to come here and start to build something.
I remember TAT saying that rules according to which you can't attend school less that full-time in many European countries may play a role - not sure how large a contribution they make though. On one hand, there is sense to this - what can Medvedeva seriously learn on one day a week she gets tutored? On the other, if she went to school with all the kids, she woudln't be where she is now, because she wouldn't be able to train 36 hours a week, travel etc.
 
I remember TAT saying that rules according to which you can't attend school less that full-time in many European countries may play a role - not sure how large a contribution they make though. On one hand, there is sense to this - what can Medvedeva seriously learn on one day a week she gets tutored? On the other, if she went to school with all the kids, she woudln't be where she is now, because she wouldn't be able to train 36 hours a week, travel etc.

So in short - Evgenia gets individual program of education, right? Or did she finish some school already? I think one of the reasons behind her dominancy bar talent and well coming from very competitive country it was bound to happen that one of the Russian would start winning could be simple fact that she could and can train much more than girls from other countries. Some other skaters can only afford few hours of training per day (sometimes also because if financial cost unfortunately) while she strikes me as someone who worked much harder.
 
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So in short - Evgenia gets individual program of education, right? Or did she finish some school already? I think one of the reasons behind her dominancy bar talent and well coming from very competitive country it was bound to happen that one of the Russian would start winning could be simple fact that she could and can train much more than girls from other countries. Some other skaters can only afford few hours of training per day (sometimes also because if financial cost unfortunately) while she strikes me as someone who worked much harder.

All Tutberidze team members have individual prodrams of education in Sambo school. They usually have only one day in school and individual lessons during training days. When they have competitions they don't have classes at all. However every year they have to pass final exams in the end of each school year. Zhenya has one or two more years in school I guess....
She is training every day 6-7 hours on ice.
 
All Tutberidze team members have individual prodrams of education in Sambo school. They usually have only one day in school and individual lessons during training days. When they have competitions they don't have classes at all. However every year they have to pass final exams in the end of each school year. Zhenya has one or two more years in school I guess....
She is training every day 6-7 hours on ice.

Totally OT but I find this quite interesting and very different from what happens normally in my country (Italy). I speak from experience, as my boyfriend happens to be the teacher of a young skier in the national team. Normally, you have 210 days of school per year and to pass to the next year the minimum required is 160 (under this, you automatically repeat the year). The boy in question was allowed for training reasons to skip two out of six school days per week for training plus days of competitions (however in the end he never had problems with the day's requirements as he usually can go to school all days from april to june, when snow is absent). Plus, he is allowed to skip scheduled written tests if they were on the same days of training or competitions (he however has to repeat them on the first possible occasion) and he is allowed to have scheduled oral exams (something which is not normally allowed for his peers).
As far as I know, a program similar to that followed by Eteri's team is only provided by our most important football clubs for their junior members (something that also several important Spanish football clubs do). There are in theory public schools with flexible programs for those who practice sport at serious levels, but they are very few and still in an experimental phase.
On an interesting note, several of our football players in the A league and in the national team are graduated from universities (and even more interesting, they did not choose sports related fields but Law or Economics...we also have a graduate national player in Medieval history).
It would be good to know how education programs work in other countries as well. Sorry again for the OT.
 
Totally OT but I find this quite interesting and very different from what happens normally in my country (Italy). I speak from experience, as my boyfriend happens to be the teacher of a young skier in the national team. Normally, you have 210 days of school per year and to pass to the next year the minimum required is 160 (under this, you automatically repeat the year). The boy in question was allowed for training reasons to skip two out of six school days per week for training plus days of competitions (however in the end he never had problems with the day's requirements as he usually can go to school all days from april to june, when snow is absent). Plus, he is allowed to skip scheduled written tests if they were on the same days of training or competitions (he however has to repeat them on the first possible occasion) and he is allowed to have scheduled oral exams (something which is not normally allowed for his peers).
As far as I know, a program similar to that followed by Eteri's team is only provided by our most important football clubs for their junior members (something that also several important Spanish football clubs do). There are in theory public schools with flexible programs for those who practice sport at serious levels, but they are very few and still in an experimental phase.
On an interesting note, several of our football players in the A league and in the national team are graduated from universities (and even more interesting, they did not choose sports related fields but Law or Economics...we also have a graduate national player in Medieval history).
It would be good to know how education programs work in other countries as well. Sorry again for the OT.

Hi lappo...I think it would be a good off-season topic as this has come up off-topic before on other threads. Some countries do have elite sport high school or other means to provide flexibility, not just Russia, so Evgenia's situation may not be as exceptional as it may seem from the Italian perspective.

Have been thinking myself starting a thread on whether the GP events should be enlarged, but am waiting until after 4CC or Worlds...

Always looking for meaty or informative discussion threads while waiting for the summer reports to start rolling in.;)
 
Agreed that perhaps this may need to be it's own new thread along the lines of "Should the number of entries at GP events be increased?" Not sure if it's been discussed before, but the GPs have come along way from the small invitationals that Skate America and Skate Canada International started with 40 years ago.

Actually, I do think more of the Russian women could get one or two GPs if there were 18 ladies per event. And not just by adding host picks for Rostelecom Cup.

And with the depth of field with the junior ladies soon to be competing as seniors, I do think it's an issue. I really don't want to see some of the senior Russian ladies shut out and pushed to premature retirement due to a "bad season" that leaves them with ISU rankings below the juniors. The Challenger senior Bs, on their own, do not have the status in the system or the strength on strength competition that is needed to help a skater reach national team level.

I'm curious about whether it might be logistically easier to simply have an additional GP event, rather than increasing the number of spots at existing events. IMO, increasing the number of spots just for the ladies division just for Russian ladies would be silly and unfair, and increasing the number of spots per event becomes a logistical nightmare. (Ice dance in particular really could use more GP spots, IMO). And increased entries per discipline per GP event makes the GP season suddenly kind of grueling. I've always liked that GP competitions don't go on and on for hour (unlike Nationals events and ISU Championships, which are great in their own way, but not every week!)

What about an event just two weeks prior to the GP final, where the highest-placed skaters/teams who only had one spot get to compete, thus giving them a chance to get into the final? Or maybe have a majority of those skaters with a few "wild card" skaters thrown in (i.e., skaters who medaled at one event and bombed another). THis would make the event worth watching for the wild card skaters alone, even if the highest-placing skaters-with-one-event are pretty boring and not necessarily GP-final worthy.

This also gives some not necessarily GP-final-worthy one-event skaters motivation to do their best at their assigned event - they might get to go compete again!

Would such an event taking place in a country like Japan where figure skating is hugely popular, be financially beneficial enough to mitigate the expense/hassle?
 
Hi lappo...I think it would be a good off-season topic as this has come up off-topic before on other threads. Some countries do have elite sport high school or other means to provide flexibility, not just Russia, so Evgenia's situation may not be as exceptional as it may seem from the Italian perspective.

Have been thinking myself starting a thread on whether the GP events should be enlarged, but am waiting until after 4CC or Worlds...

Always looking for meaty or informative discussion threads while waiting for the summer reports to start rolling in.;)

Thanks and I agree that this would be quite an interesting topic for the off-season. I'm very interesting in the whole stuff not only for the aforementioned boyfriend's pupil but also because education and athletics in antiquity are my current research topic and I probably tend to make comparison. Ok, let's not spam any more in the thread, I promise!
 
I'm curious about whether it might be logistically easier to simply have an additional GP event, rather than increasing the number of spots at existing events. IMO, increasing the number of spots just for the ladies division just for Russian ladies would be silly and unfair, and increasing the number of spots per event becomes a logistical nightmare. (Ice dance in particular really could use more GP spots, IMO). And increased entries per discipline per GP event makes the GP season suddenly kind of grueling. I've always liked that GP competitions don't go on and on for hour (unlike Nationals events and ISU Championships, which are great in their own way, but not every week!)

What about an event just two weeks prior to the GP final, where the highest-placed skaters/teams who only had one spot get to compete, thus giving them a chance to get into the final? Or maybe have a majority of those skaters with a few "wild card" skaters thrown in (i.e., skaters who medaled at one event and bombed another). THis would make the event worth watching for the wild card skaters alone, even if the highest-placing skaters-with-one-event are pretty boring and not necessarily GP-final worthy.

This also gives some not necessarily GP-final-worthy one-event skaters motivation to do their best at their assigned event - they might get to go compete again!

Would such an event taking place in a country like Japan where figure skating is hugely popular, be financially beneficial enough to mitigate the expense/hassle?

It all depends if there is money for it. I am not sure how well figure skating is paying for itself, but if we forget the money I would love figure skating to follow the open path, like tennis for example. No limits on the number of athletes from a particular country. Make more GP events - something like Grand Slams in tennis. Even add two more GP. The GP final with eight best in each discipline would be a big and prestigious deal. The worlds would be completely open. The skaters earn their spots themselves, rather being picked by their federations. If the first ten spots were taken only by Russians or Japanese, so be it. If this takes smaller countries out, I am good with it. I prefer millions of times better to watch Sakhanova or Fedichkina than Helgesson for example. In fact, Helgesson and others like her are a good case for fast forwarding buttons for most viewers. If the open approach were to eliminate them from major internationals then it would be better for FS.
 
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IMO, increasing the number of spots just for the ladies division just for Russian ladies would be silly and unfair
It wouldn't be unfair, because Russian ladies are so good they completely deserve that 4th spot. It's the current situation that is unfair.
What do you mean by "silly"?
 
I am ok with 4th spot for ladies. Maybe they should make it extra rule for any lady who has scored above 200 but not get in the WC team?
 
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