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protocols say he popped his lutz
2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating
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protocols say he popped his lutz
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aurora is 3rd in junior ladies 1, behind two japanese girls at 54 and dust... she did 3t-3t and 3loop 2a... seemed like a good skate considering the protocols...
Now, is there are difference in junior ladies 1 and 2???? Is it based on PB or something??? Sarah seems like in a class of her own in the group 2... she had a tough SP but the other girls don't have much content to compete with her for the LP.
Now, is there are difference in junior ladies 1 and 2???? Is it based on PB or something??? Sarah seems like in a class of her own in the group 2... she had a tough SP but the other girls don't have much content to compete with her for the LP.
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I was going to post some time yesterday about the Bavarian Open results but y'all are ahead of me. I'm glad. 
Skate Canada finally put out press release:
Large Canadian contingent in Germany for Bavarian Open
Our medal count has gone up thanks to a novice level skater! Our youngest skater this season to medal. Stephen had a rough outing at Bavarian Open but managed to win gold. For context, this was 13 points off his ISU personal best despite a higher BV this season. Maybe due to the change in layout. Definitely due to a popped 3Lz in the SP. Maybe due to training quads...? (Does training a 4Lz affect your 3Lz the way it does in pairs with throws?) The panel this time around was tougher too than at 2016 Coupe du Printemps. Corey missed the podium by around 5 points. His BV needs a boost but according to those on site his skating is nice to watch.
Sarah Tamura fell on her 3Lz-3T combo but leads the ladies in her group with 53.99 points. Aurora Cotop is in a harder group and is in third with 54.15 points. Interesting to note Aurora has higher PCS than Sarah but has a simpler layout. Still not known if Aurora will do a 3Lz or not...not sure she has one yet.
4everchan I think the ladies were split due to how many there were. How they were split though, I don't know. May have been a random draw.
Catherine Carle in advanced novice ladies I is sitting 5th with 35.10 points. 3T+2T, 2A, and 2Lz were her jumps.
Skaters posted some photos on their way or in Oberstdorf.
Sarah Tamura
Marjorie Lajoie
Conrad Orzel
Corey Circelli & Coach Aistrop
Medals count
16 gold, 10 silvers, 12 bronze = 38 medals in total
Skate Canada finally put out press release:
Large Canadian contingent in Germany for Bavarian Open
Our medal count has gone up thanks to a novice level skater! Our youngest skater this season to medal. Stephen had a rough outing at Bavarian Open but managed to win gold. For context, this was 13 points off his ISU personal best despite a higher BV this season. Maybe due to the change in layout. Definitely due to a popped 3Lz in the SP. Maybe due to training quads...? (Does training a 4Lz affect your 3Lz the way it does in pairs with throws?) The panel this time around was tougher too than at 2016 Coupe du Printemps. Corey missed the podium by around 5 points. His BV needs a boost but according to those on site his skating is nice to watch.
Sarah Tamura fell on her 3Lz-3T combo but leads the ladies in her group with 53.99 points. Aurora Cotop is in a harder group and is in third with 54.15 points. Interesting to note Aurora has higher PCS than Sarah but has a simpler layout. Still not known if Aurora will do a 3Lz or not...not sure she has one yet.
4everchan I think the ladies were split due to how many there were. How they were split though, I don't know. May have been a random draw.
Catherine Carle in advanced novice ladies I is sitting 5th with 35.10 points. 3T+2T, 2A, and 2Lz were her jumps.
Skaters posted some photos on their way or in Oberstdorf.
Sarah Tamura
Marjorie Lajoie
Conrad Orzel
Corey Circelli & Coach Aistrop
Medals count
16 gold, 10 silvers, 12 bronze = 38 medals in total
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Catherine Carle moved up to finish fourth today in advanced novice ladies I at Bavarian Open, scoring 111.52. She scored 76.42 in a clean FS with just a lost level on the StSq. She missed the podium in large part on PCS. She had the 2nd highest TES of the FS. She doesn't appear to have a 3F or 3Lz yet and her -triple combos are 3T+3T as well as 2A+3T. So it's good she got to see and compete against the Japanese girls doing 3Lz+3T and 3F+3T.
Well done Catherine!
Well done Catherine!
Aren't you somewhat concerned that your novices don't have lutz and flip? When they move up to the JGP, they won't be competitive without those jumps.
The two US girls who competed at the Bavarian Open in Advanced Novice II won gold and bronze---they both have 3z and 3f.
The two US girls who competed at the Bavarian Open in Advanced Novice II won gold and bronze---they both have 3z and 3f.
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^Why should I be concerned about things I can't control? I am not Catherine's parent or part of her coaching staff. Why would it concern me?
Besides the two US girls who won medals in novice girls II would have been behind Catherine anyways. They had lower scores and would have been 5th and 7th in novice girls I and would not have medalled at all. The real competition was with the Japanese girls. Catherine got to see first hand what she's got to do to be internationally competitive with girls from a strong ladies skating nation like Japan. That's good for her growth.
Novice girls I results
Novice girls II results
For those who want to compare.
Aurora actually did land a 3F in the FS and finished fourth. She did one at Nationals too, I forgot!
She was 1.11 points away from a bronze. A few jump troubles that cost her a medal. Seeing her add harder jumps as she progresses is promising. Now only the 3Lz and some harder 3-3 combos are needed.
Junior ladies I FS results
Junior ladies I FS protocols
Junior ladies I final results
Sarah Tamura is competing in junior ladies II now. She has a decent lead from the SP.
Canadian ladies are doing alright today. Some hiccups but not bad. Looks like their results are stirring up some people.
Besides the two US girls who won medals in novice girls II would have been behind Catherine anyways. They had lower scores and would have been 5th and 7th in novice girls I and would not have medalled at all. The real competition was with the Japanese girls. Catherine got to see first hand what she's got to do to be internationally competitive with girls from a strong ladies skating nation like Japan. That's good for her growth.
Novice girls I results
Novice girls II results
For those who want to compare.
Aurora actually did land a 3F in the FS and finished fourth. She did one at Nationals too, I forgot!
She was 1.11 points away from a bronze. A few jump troubles that cost her a medal. Seeing her add harder jumps as she progresses is promising. Now only the 3Lz and some harder 3-3 combos are needed. Junior ladies I FS results
Junior ladies I FS protocols
Junior ladies I final results
Sarah Tamura is competing in junior ladies II now. She has a decent lead from the SP.
Canadian ladies are doing alright today. Some hiccups but not bad. Looks like their results are stirring up some people.
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Sarah Tamura competes as a senior nationally and a junior internationally. She had to move up at the national level after winning the junior national title in 2015-16. Any other questions?
Speaking of our beautiful ladies, here are Gabby with her small gold medal and Kaetlyn with her small silver medal after the ladies SP.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQk7s3zDx2e/
Canada picked up a small bronze in pairs thanks to Meagan and Eric and another small gold medal from Tessa & Scott in ice dance. :clapper:
And Conrad Orzel is seriously quad hungry. Here is a quad Lutz on the ice in Oberstdorf.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQlVj0ijIyl/
This week is gonna be good.
Speaking of our beautiful ladies, here are Gabby with her small gold medal and Kaetlyn with her small silver medal after the ladies SP.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQk7s3zDx2e/
Canada picked up a small bronze in pairs thanks to Meagan and Eric and another small gold medal from Tessa & Scott in ice dance. :clapper:
And Conrad Orzel is seriously quad hungry. Here is a quad Lutz on the ice in Oberstdorf.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQlVj0ijIyl/
This week is gonna be good.
That question is leading and quite malicious.
Why did Ashley Wagner go to Junior Worlds in 2009 when she already went to senior worlds in 2008? An 18 senior who was already on the senior grand prix circuit.
Gracie was also senior eligible in the year she competed at JWC. All the ladies representing USA this year at JWC are also senior eligible and have participated in senior B's as well. So was Tyler Pierce, Samantha Cesario, Courtney Hicks etc.
People develop at different rates and their federations provide different opportunities at different times.
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But when it happens stateside, lydichee it's a none issue. North of the border, that's a different story. :reye: Yup, leading and malicious alright.
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It's a none issue anywhere. People develop at different rates and get different opportunities. I won't hold it against them. Gabby, Kaetlyn and Ashley don't peak early on and that's fine by me. There are a lot of personal victories they have had that I cheer them on for. Talented young ladies from Japan, Russia and soon South Korea are great, but I can appreciate any lady that puts their best foot forward, senior or not.
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Sarah won gold in the junior ladies II category with a total score of 153.83. Her FS had falls on the 3F and solo 3Lz as well as a time violation. Some things to work on for Junior Worlds.
Junior ladies II FS results
Junior ladies II FS protocols
Junior ladies II final results
Congrats Sarah!
Medals count
17 gold, 10 silvers, 12 bronze = 39 medals in total
Junior ladies II FS results
Junior ladies II FS protocols
Junior ladies II final results
Congrats Sarah!
Medals count
17 gold, 10 silvers, 12 bronze = 39 medals in total
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Oh and a podium photo from Sarah: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQlmqG-AeL5/
My point was that as the more experienced international skater, Sarah should have been in Junior Ladies I, which was by far the stronger group. Aurora would have won gold in Junior Ladies II and Sarah would have won bronze in Junior Ladies I. That way, they both would have medals, bringing the count to 40.
Capisce?
Capisce?
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Do you know how the organizers split the ladies? Because those of us who are posting here do not. You are implying the ladies had a choice. Could you elucidate the procedure? Maybe then we can actually blame Sarah for choosing an easier group. There no need to rush to 40. Medals are waiting in PyeongChang.
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Plus the assumption that, even if she was able to choose, Sarah would know enough about all those other skaters to pick an "easier group". There aren't exactly a ton of known name skaters.
Agreed Mango...I don't see anything in ISU rules that suggest that there is a separate category of Junior 1 vs Junior 2....It's all one level...Just separate events to manage size.
Perhaps large competitions with more than 30 or so competitors at a level are organized differently wherever in the US chuckm lives, but I think that it's more likely that he hasn't had the opportunity to attend or volunteer at an event at that level...
So, he might be thinking that federations or competitions might choose flight one or two, the way we used to once have different levels of pre-preliminary A vs. B vs. C and skaters would be entered into their appropriate level.Sitting through sectionals or summer series events in Canada with hundreds of competitors at a level like novice, with 6 or 7 flights or more, it's evident that the allocations of skaters across flights are done through a random draw, not just the SP start orders. There is a natural size limit in terms of a judging panel's ability to assess a flight, so beyond a certain point the skaters need to be divided into separate flights with separate podiums, and within those a number of warm-up groups.
And yes, it invariably happens that by chance some flights are stronger than others, and a strong skater in a weaker flight will stand out....And as Mango suggests, as this is IJS scoring, comparisons of performance across flights are made on the basis of the scores not the placements. [But understand that it's a stretch for those who are still attached to 6.0 ordinals...]
But really wish that chuckm would simply ask if any of us know how it works. No need for a tempest in a teapot...
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Editing to add...The ISU regs for Juniors and Seniors appear to have an upper limit of 36 competitors in an event....See the tables for start-order and warm up groups on pages 95 and 96...
http://static.isu.org/media/1003/20...ce-and-technical-rules-sandp-and-id_final.pdf
The Barvarian Open had 21 Junior ladies in flight 1, 18 + two withdrawals in flight two = 41 entries overall. As this is greater than the maximum of 36, they were split as evenly as possible into two groups...
Oh, and BTW, ISU rules specifically state that events cannot be divided into sub-events by age beyond the level of Basic Novice.
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Sarah is all about inclusiveness.
Here she is with Aurora: https://twitter.com/sarahtskates/status/832353535010406400
And with some strong Japanese girls: https://twitter.com/sarahtskates/status/832353675381202944
I didn't know Aaron Lowe has a good sense of humour but: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQkstBJh_W-Y0lm20tKMXW1_YfixBDiAIbDZag0/
He posted a nice shot with Aslynne and Lee mid-journey: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQjOndLAdGN-AYm68Ec0-ku1PY3CT4jov3tPqs0/
Here she is with Aurora: https://twitter.com/sarahtskates/status/832353535010406400
And with some strong Japanese girls: https://twitter.com/sarahtskates/status/832353675381202944
I didn't know Aaron Lowe has a good sense of humour but: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQkstBJh_W-Y0lm20tKMXW1_YfixBDiAIbDZag0/
He posted a nice shot with Aslynne and Lee mid-journey: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQjOndLAdGN-AYm68Ec0-ku1PY3CT4jov3tPqs0/
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