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2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating

Manitou said:
P.S. You are right this topic should have its own thread. Can you start it?
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I think someone more interested in continuing to discuss this topic should do so. I have said my piece, and I understand why others disagree. I understand their (and your) point of view, but both sides simply have different priorities that they think are most important. Both priorities are admirable, and unfortunately Worlds can't do both.

At this point, I worry that continuing to discuss it further may devolve in arguing, condescension, bashing, etc. Respectable discussion and debate between opposing sides is important and productive, and if anyone has anything new to contribute, they can start a thread on this topic.

Might be better saved for the off-season. ;)
 
silverfoxes said:
Skating is life for a lot of skaters who never even get close to an international podium. I think the hyperbole is getting out of control here. Like someone said, even if there were 4 or more Russian girls competing at Worlds, they're still competing for 3 medals. I just can't feel that sorry for skaters who have already achieved a Worlds medal and never make it again. Talent alone doesn't make you entitled to anything. What about all the skaters who had to give up because they couldn't afford it? Or because they got injured? Or never got any decent amount of support from their Fed to reach their potential? Life's not fair, luck and timing have a lot to do with success in sport, and there are tradeoffs that come with representing a fed like Russia vs. a different one where you're basically on your own.
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Well said!
 
Manitou said:
You keep treating skaters as some sort of delicate and fragile "snowflakes" again. No, I don't mean the political term now, just couldn't find a better word.
No, the skaters are tough athletes. They are tough and trained athletes first, period. You said if they compete more then they will lose their artistry. Nonsense, ballet dancers perform every week and they are perfectly fine. If they lose their artistry they are fired. That's their training, that's their jobs. That's what they signed for.

The skiers run along the life/death boundary every week. Tennis players travel all year and each match is at least a two hour marathon, and they play it every two days. Average person would not be able to do it, but athletes are not average people. They are trained for it. That's what they are supposed to do. If two five minute performances a year is too much for a fragile skater then I don't want to see that skater, as he/she does not deserve my time.

P.S. You are right this topic should have its own thread. Can you start it?
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andromache does not treat skaters like delicate ''snowflakes'', his comment regarding how much they compete has nothing common with that besides wish for skaters to not skate injured. :rolleye: Please, stop using this word and making fuss! :drama:
 
Ares said:
andromache does not treat skaters like delicate ''snowflakes'', his comment regarding how much they compete has nothing common with that besides wish for skaters to not skate injured. :rolleye: Please, stop using this word and making fuss! :drama:
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They can get injured as much as every athlete in every sport. They signed for it. That's the nature and risk of every sport. There is no guarantee of 100% safety. If a person is not ready for a risk of injury then international competitive sport is not what they are looking for. Recreational sport is probably what they need.

I know the term "snowflake" is overused in current politics, but it was NOT my intent in this context. I just couldn't find a better word.

Na przyszłość - więcej luzu proszę. :)
 
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chapis said:
Already exist GPF senior and junior, 6 spots available, not only 3 or 4. If the russian girls are really sooooo good, soooo superior to the rest of the world, this competition will become the most prestigious competition of the season.
You seem desperate for ¨ justice¨ but 1 miserable spot won´t make the difference. And like other posters said it, trying be fair to russian girls, ISU will being unfair with other disciplines.
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Well, technically GP circuit is soon to be an issue too, as, by the rules, most russian ladies would end up with just 1 spot, and won't really have chances for a second one. Next year it may be a struggle already ;)
Which would cut most of them out of GPF ^^
 
hanca said:
Aliona Kostornaya moved to Tutberidze. She is not quite there with her results yet, but nothing that Tutberidze couldn't fix.
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IMO Right move for her. She has good jumps, high, but was very inconsistent. She has the potentia but with her previous coach could not deliver. Hopefully Eteri will fix it.
 
hippomoomin said:
Still looks like a baby (proportionally big head/small body):luv17: but she has great ss with great flow.
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She's like 9 or 10 and attempts triple jumps and has double axel?! I've seen it all ... I remember though watching some video of 8 years old Yuna Kim and she excelled since the beginning.
 
Ares said:
She's like 9 or 10 and attempts triple jumps and has double axel?! I've seen it all ... I remember though watching some video of 8 years old Yuna Kim and she excelled since the beginning.
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She's cute. That costume is something.

OT, but speaking of crazy talented kids, have you heard of Canada's Stephen Gogolev, coached by Brian Orser and his team? He just turned 12 in December and won the National Junior title. He has 3A and 4S (and 4Lz in practice). I read somewhere he's been landing the 4S since he was 10.
 
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