Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[mcq]

sorry, can I ask something?
I tried read some protocol but idk what are these means
'<'
'<<'
'e'
'x'
'!'
and what's 'call' is even mean?

< = under rotation, lack of rotation more than 1/4, would receive BV deduction + negative GOE
<< = downgrade, the lack of rotation is more than 1/2, the jumps would be downgraded (so if it is a triple, it would receive the base value of a double, quad--> triple) + it will receive negative GOE too
e = wrong edge, basically you flutz (used inside edge for lutz) or lip (Yuzuru's old nemesis, used outside edge for flip). Receive BV deduction + negative GOE
x = jumps BV multiplied by 1.1 since it is done in the second half
! = unclear edge, not correct edge but not really wrong edge (flat, can't be seen clearly etc)

 

[Ladysci]

Usually for ISU championship events it is by country first --> then draw based on rankings. So you would see 2 different practice groups at least for the first days?

Thanks for telling me about this. Hope they come out with a practice schedule soon. I'm not a morning person at all, but am willing to drag myself to the arena to see a live practice with our boy!

 

[Hannah555]

. and I imagine not the best reputation for both the skater and the judges either, since we're in the internet age and everyone can replay 10000 times and then shout at each other about it...

I also prefer strict judges. But we have to understand that they can't reply every jump otherwise competitions can take days... I'm not an expert but I think they check only those jumps that are visibly UR (same regarding other mistakes)

 

[mcq]

I also prefer strict judges. But we have to understand that they can't reply every jump otherwise competitions can take days... I'm not an expert but I think they check only those jumps that are visibly UR (same regarding other mistakes)

From what I know, they can replay every jumps if they want to. But what happen is they would flag jumps that they think are UR or they are not sure about the rotation or the edge, and those are the one that got reviewed. Skaters with UR reputation/chronic flutzer or lipper would probably got their jumps flagged regardless of how their rotations are, while skaters who are known to fully rotate everything would likely get the benefit of the doubt. Pretty sure all of Wagner's jumps at CoC got reviewed since she received 5-6 carrots or something. So it is not about time, per se.

 

[Interspectator]

After watching the latest Spirit of the Athletes documentary, I was inspired to do this motion study of Yuzu going for a jump. http://figureskating-in-color.tumbl...tudy-in-pencil-of-skating-and-the-motion-of-a

 

[fishheadanon]

I also prefer strict judges. But we have to understand that they can't reply every jump otherwise competitions can take days... I'm not an expert but I think they check only those jumps that are visibly UR (same regarding other mistakes)

based on recent events, they can and have ignored jumps which the common fan can see is UR (I'm not going to cite examples bc it's not about yuzuru ), not to mention be a lot stricter on ladies than on men from what I've heard, so there's some kind of choice here being made that's not so much related to time issues.

 

[nekun]

< = under rotation, lack of rotation more than 1/4, would receive BV deduction + negative GOE
<< = downgrade, the lack of rotation is more than 1/2, the jumps would be downgraded (so if it is a triple, it would receive the base value of a double, quad--> triple) + it will receive negative GOE too
e = wrong edge, basically you flutz (used inside edge for lutz) or lip (Yuzuru's old nemesis, used outside edge for flip). Receive BV deduction + negative GOE
x = jumps BV multiplied by 1.1 since it is done in the second half
! = unclear edge, not correct edge but not really wrong edge (flat, can't be seen clearly etc)

ohh thank you, it's really helpful

yeahh thats explain why I struggle the most to differently between Lutz and flip

 

[Yatagarasu]

so there's some kind of choice here being made that's not so much related to time issues.

It has nothing to do with time issues and everything to do with who the skater is.

I am actually really looking forward to Helsinki in terms of this and it's kind of good for Yuzuru that he has this season prior to Olympics to see what will happen to the judging so that he can adjust accordingly. It's kind of sucky he would have to factor that in but not like he can change a thing and some of the biggest threats are getting candies left, right and center. If this holds in Helsinki, at least he will know where he's at.

ETA and my 3000th post is griping about the judging very apropos.

 

[mcq]

ohh thank you, it's really helpful

yeahh thats explain why I struggle the most to differently between Lutz and flip

Lutz takeoff from the outside edge. Yuzuru actually has a very good clean outside edge on his lutz (other good example would be Yuna Kim's for ladies).
His flip though

 

[fishheadanon]

It has nothing to do with time issues and everything to do with who the skater is.

I am actually really looking forward to Helsinki in terms of this and it's kind of good for Yuzuru that he has this season prior to Olympics to see what will happen to the judging so that he can adjust accordingly. It's kind of sucky he would have to factor that in but not like he can change a thing and some of the biggest threats are getting candies left, right and center. If this holds in Helsinki, at least he will know where he's at.

Well, he watches other skaters pretty scrupulously and is great at tech and math, so I'm sure he already knows what's the deal. tbh, it's not like this just started happening in the last 2 months. I feel he thinks he can persevere against all odds (human and inhuman factors) and basically takes it as a personal challenge to overcome.

 

[nekun]

Lutz takeoff from the outside edge. Yuzuru actually has a very good clean outside edge on his lutz (other good example would be Yuna Kim's for ladies).
His flip though

why is it seem Yuzu hate flip so much? I heard for normal people it was easier to do flip than Lutz
ohh wait, it's not we all treat him like normal people lmao, he's forever the space kitten

 

[sweetwater]

topic:

I can't smile any bigger

 

[fishheadanon]

I can't smile any bigger

Scrunchy!!! is this a photography magazine? How much of him is in it?

 

[Hannah555]

It has nothing to do with time issues and everything to do with who the skater is.

I am actually really looking forward to Helsinki in terms of this and it's kind of good for Yuzuru that he has this season prior to Olympics to see what will happen to the judging so that he can adjust accordingly.

ETA and my 3000th post is griping about the judging very apropos.

Congrats on 3000 posts!!! That's a huge number!

There was a thread I think about making rule that judges have to replay every jump of every skater but it was really impossible in terms of time issues.
If it's up to judges then it's obvious that it won't be objective all the time )))

 

[mcq]

why is it seem Yuzu hate flip so much? I heard for normal people it was easier to do flip than Lutz
ohh wait, it's not we all treat him like normal people lmao, he's forever the space kitten

Well, generally lutz is harder because it is counter-rotated. But everyone has natural tendencies to takeoff from outside/inside edge and would struggle with the other. Most skaters has this problem actually, it is just Yuzuru is one of those who is in the outside edge group. Yuna Kim actually has lip tendencies like Yuzuru too, or from current skaters, Anna Pogorilaya, Satoko Miyahara, Wakaba Higuchi (who have lip problems). Medvedeva flutz, Shoma flutz, Javi flutz. So it is (almost) everyone's problem. Though I think Patrick doesn't have much problem with edge takeoff issues though?

Congrats on 3000 posts!!! That's a huge number!

There was a thread I think about making rule that judges have to replay every jump of every skater but it was really impossible in terms of time issues.
If it's up to judges then it's obvious that it won't be objective all the time )))

Yeah, but UR, levels and edge takeoff are tech panel jobs. So if they want to replay everything they must do that on steps and spins too. And there are those that could detect correctly even without replaying everything. Arguably, even if they could replay everything, if they won't call it then they won't call it. Thus, no point in having to replay everything. So it is not an issue with the protocol about how it should be done , sadly.

 

[NordEsque]

I heard, not from the most reliable source though, that it is more common for the women to struggle with the Lutz and be more prone to Flutz and that it is the opposite for men? That they are more prone to Lip? Does anyone know if there is any truth in that?

 

[mcq]

I heard, not from the most reliable source though, that it is more common for the women to struggle with the Lutz and be more prone to Flutz and that it is the opposite for men? That they are more prone to Lip? Does anyone know if there is any truth in that?

I don't know, I think nowadays they are about more or less even? I know Pogo, Satoko, Wakaba lipped while Medvedeva, Mao, Osmond, Wagner, flutz. Shoma and Javi flutz while Yuzu and Boyang is probably the one with the tendency to lip. I heard it is easier to correct lip than it is to correct flutz though.

 

[NordEsque]

Honestly I don't think it is a good idea with replays for jumps and the other elements, cause I feel that skaters who do their elements well would be overly favoured even if they are quite bad at transitions, general skating skills, edge depth and speed. And those who are great at those things, which are also difficult and energy consuming would lose out. I'm pretty sure the scores would, even more than now, overly reflect the execution of elements in favour of the overall skating quality and edge control.

Though I do like the idea from the ita esp guys that the tech panel should be responsible for calling if the steps into the jumps are difficult enough to deserve high GOEs - or more correctly that GOE bullet.

 

[sweetwater]

Scrunchy!!! is this a photography magazine? How much of him is in it?

This is a camera magazine called Nippon Camera. It’s still in production so I’m not sure how many pictures of him included in this issue, but maybe I’ll be able to check it in store and report sometime next week. His smile is so cute!

 

[NordEsque]

I would personally LOVE if the tech panel would score transitions and skating skills (and more: basically all the more tech-based PCS components). As in give the transitions and everything a level and based on that the judges can score the skaters within a certain point interval. Example: the tech panel calls out the transitions of the overall program is between 6.5-8.5 and skating skills 7.0-9.5 and the judges based on that can score the skaters. Similar to how step sequences are scored basically. And since there would be two panels (tech and judges) it would minimize bias. Of course it is a big and difficult job, but honestly not impossible and there are ways of making it work. It would add so much needed validation for the judging.

And also as much as I love difficult jumps I want to see across the board more transitions - so I'm definitely biased