2017 Worlds Preview: Ice Dance

[Mathman]

Shibutani's will win because the struggle between p/c and v/m will lead to mistakes from both because of stress and pressure...

I think the pressure will also get to the Shibutanis, paving the way for Chock and Bates. :yes:

 

[Barb]

I think that people overestimate the Shibs technical prowess by a lot. They have shallow edges, poor extension, their posture is good but most of the time they look extremely rigid, they have poor ice coverage in comparison to V/M, P/C, C/B, B/S, W/P, and G/P, little variation in choreography during their FD, and they have extremely open skating (they are literally only skating in hold when they have to be and their hold are very loose. I would complain about this normally because siblings, but since they only skate in hold when they have to, it makes me believe it is a technical issue). They are good at a lot of things, not great. Better than Chock/Bates does not equal best in the world. The only thing that they are truly great at is twizzles and they typically score around the same as other competitors when clean because other pairs have difficult entrances, exits, and variation from year to year.

I agree only about the extension, and it is not poor but it could be better. Their skating is open but V/M and P/C programs are very open too, the difference is minimum and I would say they make up for it being Maia and Alex the ones who spend more time skating on one foot and the only team that does not make a total stop to pose.

Their ice coverage is really good too, they skate really close to the boards http://imgur.com/a/qGnPh. And if you see the pattern at the SD you will see a difference too, look at where the Shibs are at the minute 1:11 https://youtu.be/smpYxzRkop4?t=70 and compare with P/C at the min 1:33 https://youtu.be/t5lSTfmfDaw?t=93, using the ISU logo as reference. http://imgur.com/a/kSD7i http://imgur.com/a/P53tw

 

[Heleng]

I think that people overestimate the Shibs technical prowess by a lot. They have shallow edges, poor extension, their posture is good but most of the time they look extremely rigid, they have poor ice coverage in comparison to V/M, P/C, C/B, B/S, W/P, and G/P, little variation in choreography during their FD, and they have extremely open skating (they are literally only skating in hold when they have to be and their hold are very loose. I would complain about this normally because siblings, but since they only skate in hold when they have to, it makes me believe it is a technical issue). They are good at a lot of things, not great. Better than Chock/Bates does not equal best in the world. The only thing that they are truly great at is twizzles and they typically score around the same as other competitors when clean because other pairs have difficult entrances, exits, and variation from year to year.

Sounds like a mediocre team at best except for their twizzles. Why are they medal contenders?

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

They are going to be world champions eventually and are so close I think they will beat v/m who haven't been to a Worlds in 3 years. No one has anymore reservations about them and they are US number 1 team.

V/M had also never been to a GPF or a 4CC in 3 years...

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Seriously though, how many of those 9 million views are yours?

Seriously though, what answer can I give that will make feel secure about yourself as the actual answer probably wouldn't be sufficient to do that?

 

[WeakAnkles]

They didn't say they worked harder - they said they're more prepared. Considering the injuries and coaching drama they've had in the past, I don't find that hard to believe.

Oh please, maybe it's true but it's also standard pre-major-competition boilerplate. What did you expect them to say? "Well spring is in the air and frankly we're beyond bored with the programs at this point, so we figured we'd just go in and wing it!"

I mean, come on.

 

[SnowWhite]

V/M had also never been to a GPF or a 4CC in 3 years...

Exactly

 

[nocturnalis]

Guys I don't think that Shibs are bad, but I think that they are focusing on improving things that won't make them better, but will make them look better. If they focus on extension, projection, and skating in bigger glides, it will solve many of their issues with people not connecting with their skates because they will have bigger highlight moments.

 

[WeakAnkles]

That's a pretty fair critique. It couldn't hurt. LOL!

 

[gmyers]

I think the pressure will also get to the Shibutanis, paving the way for Chock and Bates. :yes:

Judges don't like c/b that much this season. Especially SD

V/M had also never been to a GPF or a 4CC in 3 years...

Exactly

Worlds just a little fraction different

 

[4everchan]

Judges don't like c/b that much this season. Especially SD





Worlds just a little fraction different

please tell us the difference since you seem to know... cause, i don't.. i never competed at that level... and of course, even if i had, perhaps that my answer would differ from others...

if we are playing the stress factor, v/m, with the experience and season they have had, should be the most confident couple out there

 

[Coltrocks12]

Sorry shibutanis. I hate auto correct .

 

[Hyena]

1. Virtue/Moir
2. Papadakis/Cizeron
3. Shibutani/Shibutani
4. Chock/Bates
5. Cappellini/Lanotte
6. Bobrova/Soloviev
7. Hubbell/Donohue
8. Weaver/Poje
9. Gilles/Poirier

This is about what I expect, although I can definitely see 5-7 moving around, and wouldn't be shocked if Gilles/Poirier place ahead of Weaver/Poje (I like W/P a ton but G/P may have more momentum at this point.

I think the pressure will also get to the Shibutanis, paving the way for Chock and Bates. :yes:

If we keep going, I could see Chock/Bates wanting it too much and Hubbell/Donohue winning.

 

[bramweld]

Now I just think they haven't been to a worlds in 3 years and will be overwhelmed. There is also the belief that they will be part of the Russian ice dance collapse and not the last good team.

Gotcha. They are hard workers though, so I do think they could be either 5th or 6th. When you compare their technique with the top 3 they're just so obviously below them. S/B have the better choreography, but their technique is even more suspect. How can Russia not see this problem with their skaters or is it that ID is no longer a priority ? Wrong thread for this type of rant.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Judges don't like c/b that much this season. Especially SD

Oh totally... that's why C/B got a SD personal best at Skate Canada this season, right? :sarcasm:

 

[Skater Boy]

1. Virtue/Moir
2. Papadakis/Cizeron
3. Shibutani/Shibutani
4. Chock/Bates
5. Cappellini/Lanotte
6. Bobrova/Soloviev
7. Hubbell/Donohue
8. Weaver/Poje
9. Gilles/Poirier

I agree with your prediction or is it earned. I just think it is sad to see Weaver and Poje fall down the list so badly after being so close. It is so competitive that a team like Gille sand Poirier could have been a surprise top 5 realistically will barely make top ten because there are a lot of very good though not great teams. If people look at the wording of the question it could give interesting answers = key word is earned and what people think the word earned means

 

[Skater Boy]

V/M are not in their prime anymore, they aren't able to do everything that was possible when they were younger. V/M were technically stronger at the GPF, but Papadakis/Cizeron have improved since then and now they have quite pristine basic skating in addition to their lifts, spins, and overall ability to interweave between positions that require full body movement (going from low to high or vice versa) being superior. Papadakis/Cizeron still have some Short Dance issues where V/M can beat them, but the Free Dance is worth more and that is where they are unmatched. Although their Free Dance is not as flat-out astonishing as last season's, they are still the best.

I wonder BOP if you will be consistent and say the same about Mao and more important Carolina. Carolina is further out of her prime and her jumps are more suspect. I thought V and M have improved a lot pc wise - not sure technically. And V and M are far more equals than the French. I do think P and C seem to be liked by the judges and could win worlds.

 

[gmyers]

please tell us the difference since you seem to know... cause, i don't.. i never competed at that level... and of course, even if i had, perhaps that my answer would differ from others...

if we are playing the stress factor, v/m, with the experience and season they have had, should be the most confident couple out there

You could say this about v/m before every time they lost to d/w while v/m were Olympic champs. They develop problems and lose.

Oh totally... that's why C/B got a SD personal best at Skate Canada this season, right? :sarcasm:

Well that was the high mark and then major decline.

Gotcha. They are hard workers though, so I do think they could be either 5th or 6th. When you compare their technique with the top 3 they're just so obviously below them. S/B have the better choreography, but their technique is even more suspect. How can Russia not see this problem with their skaters or is it that ID is no longer a priority ? Wrong thread for this type of rant.

They do work hard and that's the saddest thing. They are working very hard but with terrible non COP guidance which leads to decline from 1st to 3rd at euros. If they worked hard but with people who didn't believe levels were all fake and political but rather with spiliband or d/l or Fusar poli they could be contenders for a medal. abandoning Russian style choreo would also help.

 

[Ares]

You could say this about v/m before every time they lost to d/w while v/m were Olympic champs. They develop problems and lose.



Well that was the high mark and then major decline.



They do work hard and that's the saddest thing. They are working very hard but with terrible non COP guidance which leads to decline from 1st to 3rd at euros. If they worked hard but with people who didn't believe levels were all fake and political but rather with spiliband or d/l or Fusar poli they could be contenders for a medal. abandoning Russian style choreo would also help.

No disrespect meant for P/C but I think that D/W were better skaters in their prime too, they were also more competitive throughot whole season. But P/C are still younger than D/W were in their best years, they didn't hit their ceiling yet I think.

 

[Sugarpova]

Voted for BS just because they have no chance

VM has it in the bag imo