Jason Brown

[Tavi...]

Jackie Wong‏ @rockerskating 29m
29 minutes ago
Jason Brown after practice: Jetlag hit him today, felt better on the quads yesterday but otherwise good http://bit.ly/2o0hArI  #WorldFigure

Thanks, LRK - was just about to post this! Good to know there was a reason, and not surprising given he just got in Sunday. Also practice hours seem tough. Anyway, the good news is that even with jet lag he held everything else together. Here's full tweet:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/846700401650995201

 

[LRK]

Thanks, LRK - was just about to post this! Good to know there was a reason, and not surprising given he just got in Sunday. Also practice hours seem tough. Anyway, the good news is that even with jet lag he held everything else together. Here's full tweet:

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/846700401650995201

I did wonder if I should post it, as I was pretty sure you would.

Anyway, I think it's a good thing - get the jet lag over and done with by the time of the competition.

 

[Tavi...]

I did wonder if I should post it, as I was pretty sure you would.

Anyway, I think it's a good thing - get the jet lag over and done with by the time of the competition.

No, thank you so much for posting! I'm having to sneak peeks at twitter getting ready for work / at work, so anything you find is welcome!

I was hoping that the person who recorded the closed practice rink sessions also did it today, but so far I haven't seen anything.

Anyway, yes I agree about the jet lag! I've noticed a similar pattern in myself heading to Europe - I can usually make it through the first day, but it usually hits on the second one. So hopefully he'll adjust by tomorrow, or at least by day of SP.

 

[LRK]

I do wonder when the IceTalk episode with Jason will be released? Worlds' is starting tomorrow, after all, and it would be nice to have it before one becmes so busy watching figure skating all day long... and until then it would be a very pleasant way to spend one's time. Oh, well...

 

[Tavi...]

I do wonder when the IceTalk episode with Jason will be released? Worlds' is starting tomorrow, after all, and it would be nice to have it before one becmes so busy watching figure skating all day long... and until then it would be a very pleasant way to spend one's time. Oh, well...

I think I read that it will be released tomorrow? Have you listened to the one with Ashley and Tara Lipinski yet (I have not). Also, TSL has a fairly short (45 mins?) Worlds preview with John Coughlin - it's pretty straightforward rather than gossipy, covers all 4 disciplines, and mentions Jason for about a minute (favorably, tho not as a contender). It's pretty US-centric (for example, it doesn't discuss the Russian men) but it might be something to relax with.

 

[Tavi...]

Phil Hersh's article about quadless Jason:

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/846803643022147584

 

[el henry]

Public Service Announcement:

Do NOT, I repeat do NOT, read the Ice Network article on Jason.

By our favorite journalist.

The entire tone of the article is negative. "As Jason Brown skated in that stonewalled ice cave Tuesday afternoon, the setting was an appropriate metaphor for the state of his career...." And nothing more positive after that.

I have a church meeting shortly, and I will need to do serious meditation (I am serious about that) to return myself to a proper state of mind.

Un-believable.

ETA: I was typing as Tavi was posting. Without comment is the nicest thing that can be said about this piece of ... of..... well, I'm going to church

 

[LRK]

I think I read that it will be released tomorrow? Have you listened to the one with Ashley and Tara Lipinski yet (I have not). Also, TSL has a fairly short (45 mins?) Worlds preview with John Coughlin - it's pretty straightforward rather than gossipy, covers all 4 disciplines, and mentions Jason for about a minute (favorably, tho not as a contender). It's pretty US-centric (for example, it doesn't discuss the Russian men) but it might be something to relax with.

Yes, I'm half-way through that, and about to listen to the Ashley part - but it was Jason I really wanted to listen to. Oh, well...

 

[TMC]

Thanks for the heads-up guys!

 

[LRK]

Phil Hersh's article about quadless Jason:

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/846803643022147584

Public Service Announcement:

Do NOT, I repeat do NOT, read the Ice Network article on Jason.

By our favorite journalist.

The entire tone of the article is negative. "As Jason Brown skated in that stonewalled ice cave Tuesday afternoon, the setting was an appropriate metaphor for the state of his career...." And nothing more positive after that.

I have a church meeting shortly, and I will need to do serious meditation (I am serious about that) to return myself to a proper state of mind.

Un-believable.

ETA: I was typing as Tavi was posting. Without comment is the nicest thing that can be said about this piece of ... of..... well, I'm going to church

I did read it; I'll just go with this Jason quote:

"Is it frustrating? It's mixed," Brown said. "I try to look at it as motivation, knowing that when I do get those quads down, how much greater my score will be. I don't look at it as what I don't have but what I will have. For now, I'm trying to make what I do be the best I can."

 

[TMC]

I did read it; I'll just go with this Jason quote:

"Is it frustrating? It's mixed," Brown said. "I try to look at it as motivation, knowing that when I do get those quads down, how much greater my score will be. I don't look at it as what I don't have but what I will have. For now, I'm trying to make what I do be the best I can."

Thank you for posting the quote

 

[Mrs. P]

I didn't think Hersh's article was that negative, honestly.

I think he's expressing the general sentiment of Jason's place in the competition. I don't think it's that out of line to state that he has a considerable base value disadvantage on paper. The sport has changed a ton technically and it comes as Jason is still trying to master even one quad. I don't think Phil is wrong to state he is between a rock and a hard place.

He gave Jason a ton of opportunities to speak about his view of the whole thing -- namely that he isn't focused on what other people doing, but he isn't going to ignore that all this is happening either.

Also, I think it's probably worth noting that he DID write this:

The hard place? Being the only one among the world's once-and-current top men skating here to never land a quad in competition.

I think this pretty much reinforces my belief of Phil's view on Jason. I think Phil is hard on Jason because he is a top skater. This is not some fan favorite like Sean Rabbit (who I like a ton, btw). This is someone that is one of the best the U.S. to offer but yet is far from being at the top internationally. I think you sense there's a question of whether he'll ever get it or will catch up or what not. I think Phil is just simply pro-being competitive with the world. I think Jason certainly has the ambition and drive to get there, but I can see why people think he may have stagnated (I don't agree, obviously).

 

[katmari]

Phil Hersh's article about quadless Jason:

https://twitter.com/olyphil/status/846803643022147584

It's Phil being Phil. He consistently has a certain point of view (quads, quads and more quads) and you know that going in and you either buy into it or not. I don't. He doesn't acknowledge that other elements make up the sport besides jumps and doesn't give Jason credit for excelling in those elements. I think he'd be happy if it became an ice jumping only competition.

Jason does have to skate under a point system that rewards TES with an unlimited ceiling but has an arbitrary limit on PCS so skaters who can perform the most tricks do come out ahead of well-rounded skaters. From that point of view, Jason is not a medal threat without a quad. However, he remains one of about four skaters in the entire men's field that I have any interest in watching.

One point of interest -- If Phil has inside knowledge, the article seems to confirm that Jason was chosen over Vincent because of Vincent's lack of technical minimums at the time of selection. Of course Phil could have been speculating just like the rest of us.

 

[Tavi...]

I didn't think Hersh's article was that negative, honestly.

I think he's expressing the general sentiment of Jason's place in the competition. I don't think it's that out of line to state that he has a considerable base value disadvantage on paper. The sport has changed a ton technically and it comes as Jason is still trying to master even one quad. I don't think Phil is wrong to state he is between a rock and a hard place.

He gave Jason a ton of opportunities to speak about his view of the whole thing -- namely that he isn't focused on what other people doing, but he isn't going to ignore that all this is happening either.

Also, I think it's probably worth noting that he DID write this:



I think this pretty much reinforces my belief of Phil's view on Jason. I think Phil is hard on Jason because he is a top skater. This is not some fan favorite like Sean Rabbit (who I like a ton, btw). This is someone that is one of the best the U.S. to offer but yet is far from being at the top internationally. I think you sense there's a question of whether he'll ever get it or will catch up or what not. I think Phil is just simply pro-being competitive with the world. I think Jason certainly has the ambition and drive to get there, but I can see why people think he may have stagnated (I don't agree, obviously).

Sorry, gotta disagree. If Phil thought Jason was a top skater, he wouldn't have said "once and current top skaters." He's not attempting to assess Jason's career in a thoughtful, positive way. Basically, stripped to its bones, the article is saying that Jason is a has-been who will never successfully up his tech because he either doesn't get it or doesn't care enough (I mean, that's the big revelation, isn't it)?

IMO, it was extraordinarily thoughtless of him, at best, to publish this article right before Jason competes his SP.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Well the quote form Orser is nice

"He (Brown) has a lot of other great things to offer, which hopefully get recognized," said Brian Orser, who coaches both Fernández and Yuzuru Hanyu, the 2014 Olympic medalist.

I found the article a bit unnecessary. Was he ordered to write about Jason? I'd have rather Phil write about something he seems to enjoy writing about more. This was really not anything new, it has all been said and said by Phil before, I don't think Phil thinks much of Jason, so why bother? Phil is free to his opinion, I just don't get why he seems to write so much about someone he does not have a high opinion of. I think the page space would have been better spent if Phil had called Vincent up and given a quick follow up to junior worlds instead. That would be something Phil would likely enjoy writing, so I say let him do what he enjoys and let his enjoyment shine through. Id rather read about Vincent than read about how Phil is clutching pearls over Jason's lack of quad...again.

 

[Mrs. P]

Sorry, gotta disagree. If Phil thought Jason was a top skater, he wouldn't have said "once and current top skaters." He's not attempting to assess Jason's career in a thoughtful, positive way. Basically, stripped to its bones, the article is saying that Jason is a has-been who will never successfully up his tech because he either doesn't get it or doesn't care enough (I mean, that's the big revelation, isn't it)?

IMO, it was extraordinarily thoughtless of him, at best, to publish this article right before Jason competes his SP.

Phil Hersh isn't Jason's PR agent. He doesn't have an obligation to time the article to Jason's liking.

Jason can handle it regardless. He can't control what people say about him, but he certainly can control how he reacts to it. I don't think Jason is giving this piece a second thought TBH. He probably hasn't even read it, just like Ashley Wagner didn't watch Evgenia Medvedeva's programs.

Also, given the amount of time people have spent lamenting about how terrible Phil is -- I think his article did its job. I think Phil is very interested in Jason and his progress. If he thought Jason wasn't relevant, he wouldn't even bother to write about him in the first place.

 

[Tavi...]

Phil Hersh isn't Jason's PR agent. He doesn't have an obligation to time the article to Jason's liking.

Jason can handle it regardless. He can't control what people say about him, but he certainly can control how he reacts to it. I don't think Jason is giving this piece a second thought TBH. He probably hasn't even read it, just like Ashley Wagner didn't watch Evgenia Medvedeva's programs.

Also, given the amount of time people have spent lamenting about how terrible Phil is -- I think his article did its job.

His article did its job? What was that?

ETA I guess I caught you in the middle of an edit.

I'm not so sure I agree he's interested in Jason. He wasn't interested enough to get facts right (Riverdance had far more than a million views). He wasn't interested enough to say that Jason stood up on two quads yesterday. Leaving aside the half-hearted quote from Orser, he wasn't interested enough to seek out comments from anyone. There's a huge difference in the way he approached this article and the one about Nathan.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Phil Hersh isn't Jason's PR agent. He doesn't have an obligation to time the article to Jason's liking.

No, he's Nathan Chen's PR agent these days. Which, fair enough but then especially at times like these it's kind of unnecessary to even write an article about Jason. For me, that piece was quite negative. It's not just that Jason doesn't have quads (which isn't even entirely accurate, plus he made sure to mention Jason fell on his quad practice but did not mention he also pulled some off) and his career is pretty much over but on top of that, it's like Jason doesn't even understand the skating of today (because quads of course are the ultimate) which is double damning him.

I mean I'm a Hanyu fan primarily, I love quads. It's not like anyone can tell me I don't get it. I do. But there's a stark difference between enjoying quads within an overall beautiful and skillful skate, that fit just right within the music, and what Phil Hersh is basically into, which is jump skating. It's two different skating philosophies, and Phil has no respect for the other. Orser's quote is very nice so I am glad that it at least is there and it's kind of ironic because Phil sure isn't recognizing them.

Plus you know, as I am the hard core cynic, Jason is kind of a problem for Phil's fave Nathan. Because one just has to look at Jason and then look at Nathan and all the talk about skating Nureyev goes down the drain.

 

[Mrs. P]

Maybe I've just been reading too much college basketball coverage lately. If you want to hear negativity, there's A LOT of it there.

Phil has a certain world view on what it takes to be competitive and while I don't agree with it, I don't think the article was that bad. And of course Nathan is going to get a whole different take. He's hot right now. He's the first US man to win a ISU Championship since Evan did back in 2009 and he manage to do feats that no other man, even internationally, has done.

Jason may be the one who is schooling Nathan on everything else OTHER than jumps, but Nathan's getting the results in one season that Jason hasn't in four years as a senior. Sportswriters are a cynical, what have you done for me lately bunch. Besides, the fun part about that if that Phil is completely wrong (which I think he will be) You can post articles here and say things like "Oh he was so wrong, what a dummy."

I just don't see the point of taking Phil as some sort of gospel. There's plenty of people, like Beverly Smith, who see it differently, obvi.

 

[Tavi...]

Ice Talk with Jason and Lynn Rutherford:

http://web.icenetwork.com/fans/icetalk