Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[gsyzf]

Hanyu should drop 4S3T and do other combo instead, he can get higher scores.

The thread is back. He can try 4lo3t. I believe his 3t is weak, that's why he struggles with 3t combos so much. He doesn't just struggle with 4s3t combo. Before he tried 4s3t combo, he struggled with 4t3t combo in 2011-2012 season, 3lz3t in 2014-2015 season and now with 4s3t combo in 2016-2017 season. When he struggles with a 3t combo, he would struggle with that combo for the entire season whether that jump is in the first half or 2nd half of the program. If the first jump isn't landed with good quality, he would have trouble with the 3t after that, and often doing the 3t in combo messes up his first jump as well. (I think skaters with a strong 3t can add a 3t to a quad/triple even when they don't land the first jump with the best quality.) The only combo he doesn't struggle with is 3a3t because 3a is his most reliable jump and he can always land 3a with good quality even if he is tired or not in good form. He only started landing 4t3t in 2015-2016 season when his 4t became very consistent after 5-6 years of landing it in competitions. (After getting injury last season, 4t3t doesn't seem like a good option any more.) He needs his quad to be really consistent and reliable for him to do 4-3 combo. His best jump after axel is loop, so he may have better luck with 4lo3t combo than 4s3t combo.

 

[breadstal]

It would be nice if he could go back to 4T-3T imo, it's his best combo.

 

[Interspectator]

Wanted to share this that I found on twitter (not mine), adorkable and made me laugh https://twitter.com/hidetanmama/status/860458235366592512 I don't know exactly what is being said but it is pretty clear it is about Yuzuru discussing the 4A (probably I'm guessing 'responsible' older Yuzuru being responsible and kid Yuzu disagreeing) . Love her Yuzuru drawings

These drawings are adorable. The caption is, older yuzu "Landing the 4A is my dream! I think I can jump it" Baby Yuzu "Whaaat? You JUST learned to jump the loop (like, yesterday)" Older Yuzu gets mad, and chases Younger Yuzu.
(not a word for word translation, but I wanted to convey the snark)

 

[JustRozy]

Very nice GS article just now on FB. New to me--apologies if already posted. http://www.goldenskate.com/2017/05/yuzuru-hanyu-5/

 

[xibsuarz]

It would be nice if he could go back to 4T-3T imo, it's his best combo.

His 4T+3T was very very nice, but that combo was a significant factor on his Lisfranc injury last year, I doubt he'll go for it again And Yuzu is not one to water down his layout, if he already landed the 4S+3T, I think he'll at least stick to that one (if he doesn't go for a 4Lo+3T I think the flow out of it has been improving throughout the season to put it in combination)

 

[gsk8]

I'm getting reports from the server that splitting the thread has indeed increased the speed and lessened the strain on the database! We still have some tweaking to do behind the scenes, but there has been a great deal of improvement. Thanks for hanging in with us while we got it sorted!

 

[LadyLou]

Yeeey! Just seen that the thread is working again, but I'll miss the ridiculous number of pages, too

As a little reopening present I'd like to share my latest fan works about Yuzu with you. Hope you like them
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rRTlNXgAEoq_k.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_evaZXEmZM

OMG I like your video so much! Can I hope for another one which includes Worlds and WTT?

 

[darazam]

I'm getting reports from the server that splitting the thread has indeed increased the speed and lessened the strain on the database! We still have some tweaking to do behind the scenes, but there has been a great deal of improvement. Thanks for hanging in with us while we got it sorted!

That's great to hear. But isn't such tech stuff off-topic in Fan-Fest dedicated to Hanyu?

 

[Perfume]

His 4T+3T was very very nice, but that combo was a significant factor on his Lisfranc injury last year, I doubt he'll go for it again And Yuzu is not one to water down his layout, if he already landed the 4S+3T, I think he'll at least stick to that one (if he doesn't go for a 4Lo+3T I think the flow out of it has been improving throughout the season to put it in combination)

4Lo3T is also a possibility. But I doubt he will do a new combo in Olympic season.

 

[Henni147]

OMG I like your video so much! Can I hope for another one which includes Worlds and WTT?

Thank you so much! Aye, I want to do one about worlds, too - I'm just a bit uncertain whether I should include Yuzu only or the complete men's event. There have been so many epic performances - it would be a sin to leave them out (Maybe I'll do both...)

 

[xeyra]

Hanyu should drop 4S3T and do other combo instead, he can get higher scores.

It would be nice if he could go back to 4T-3T imo, it's his best combo.

I don't understand this belief his 4T3T is better than his 4S3T just because he landed it the few times he did it in the 2015/2016 season and had more issues with 4S3T. This and this aren't better than this and this, in my opinion. The landing on his 4S is better than his 4T in these combos, for one. Less of a mental block, perhaps, but I can't consider 4T3T his best combo.

And he's not going to get better scores on his 4T3T if he went back to it; that's not how the game works now and we all know it. And it'd be admitting a defeat . On a positive note: he did end up wrestling his Combo of Doom into behaving in the FS; doing it twice in the last two season's competitions.

Anyway, if he can't get past the 4S3T mental block in his SP, I'd see him go for 4Lo3T more than I'd see him go back to 4T3T. The only way I'd see a 4T3T returning is if he adds a 4Lz.

4Lo3T is also a possibility. But I doubt he will do a new combo in Olympic season.

Yuzuru isn't going to keep his current layout for Olympic season without some changes. And unless he adds the 4Lz, the only way he'll be able to remotely increase his BV (he'll have to, he has youngsters behind him who won't be standing still) is to, effectively, learn new combos. 4T1Lo3S seems to be one he wants to go for, though as emergency or really part of the layout will depend. A 5-quad layout with that combo instead of a second 3A gives him less than a 2-point BV advantage, though. The only non-4Lz layout that'll make him somewhat competitive is a 5-quad layout with two quad combos, one of them being 4Lo3T, and even then it'll have less base value than a 4-quad layout with 4Lz. I won't mention the BV advantages learning a -3Lo combo would bring because, ouch...

It's not an easy decision to make, though, because in his post-Worlds/WTT interviews Yuzuru gives a lot the importance to going clean in both programs; and too much change will not contribute well to that. And there's no guarantee that not upgrading his layout will make him automatically lose, since others will have to actually be clean as well.

But not upgrading in some way basically puts the game in other people's courts; whether they'll manage their layouts without mistakes, whether the PCS+GOE advantage Yuzuru might have going completely clean will offset the BV advantages of others, and whether being more consistently clean on his unchanged layouts early season might have the same 'advantages' in GOEs and PCS as the consistency in ladies brings, when the name of the game nowadays in men's is 'higher, harder, more'. So he needs to learn new combos. That... or bring the 4Lz to the game.

 

[Interspectator]

I'd be interested to hear people's projected layout for Yuzu's LP including either a 4T-3T combo or a 4S-3T combo or go wild and choose any layout you think he might choose next season.
He usually upgrades something. Or will he really try to add the 4Lz?

 

[Bonesfan]

There is no " bonus" for combos, yes? Meaning base value for 4S-3T, 3A alone is no different than 4S, 3A-3T? I hope Yuzuru keeps two 3As. Those are his "money" jumps as he does them beautifully and consistently.


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[nekun]

I'm p sure Yuzu will add 4lz for next season, this is my Dream layout

4Lz 4S 3F // 4S3T 4L 3A2T 4T1L3S 3A

no repeat 4T to protect the left foot
place the 4L in the 2nd half for the 10% bonus

 

[breadstal]

I think it's 50/50 that he will put another quad (I think the biggest chance is for two 4Lo) There's a chance for one more quad in second half, he showed he's very capable of that

 

[Henni147]

I'm p sure Yuzu will add 4lz for next season, this is my Dream layout

4Lz 4S 3F // 4S3T 4L 3A2T 4T1L3S 3A

no repeat 4T to protect the left foot
place the 4L in the 2nd half for the 10% bonus

Sounds good to me. The question is: does he have enough energy to nail it? After his free skate at Worlds he said, there was no power left for a fifth quad. It could be risky to leave out the 4T considering that it's some kind of a back-up jump - If anything goes wrong, it can be a nice confidence booster in the second half.

 

[nekun]

Sounds good to me. The question is: does he have enough energy to nail it? After his free skate at Worlds he said, there was no power left for a fifth quad. It could be risky to leave out the 4T considering that it's some kind of a back-up jump - If anything goes wrong, it can be a nice confidence booster in the second half.

he can add another 4T if something go wrong, I just want him to avoid 2 4T in the original layout

 

[cathlen]

Not like I want him to, but Yuzuru could also backload his programs more to increase BV.

 

[Interspectator]

I'm p sure Yuzu will add 4lz for next season, this is my Dream layout

4Lz 4S 3F // 4S3T 4L 3A2T 4T1L3S 3A

no repeat 4T to protect the left foot
place the 4L in the 2nd half for the 10% bonus

That's one heck of a layout! :shocked:

 

[Interspectator]

Lots of Yuzu clips from this evening's TV sports variety show, The Legend (no new news, but some clips or angles not seen before)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5l5yam_170506-the-legend_sport
Showing clips of commentary from Spain, Russia and Italy after his World Championship LP performance.
Spain "His Majesty Hanyu" Russia "Pooh Rain and 90% of pooh bears are at his house" Italy "Planet Hanyu" of course.
At the Sendai Monument unveiling ceremony, some fans attending traveled from the States and China to see him.
7:48
Oda discusses Yuzu's popularity at shows. "Usually, gifts are put in the hallway temporarily, but in Hanyu's case it doesn't fit, so it's put in a separate room."
Oda also talks about how commentators coined the expression "doing an Oda". "I think my name was mentioned because the skater in question jumped too much." (explanation that jumping the same kind of jump too many times causes the jump to have 0 points attached)
"I'm like, wait, how many times have I jumped so far? I get flustered! I get flustered..."
Oda and Hanyu are best friends, about what Hanyu's really like, Oda said, "He's such a gentleman! When ladies leave he holds the door for them, or pulls out a chair for them, he's really kind to women."
"He doesn't like to eat much. He doesn't eat much, when eating a meal he often says, oh I'm full. I've never seen him eat fried food. He says it's too heavy on his stomach when he's turning (in skating?)."

The last clip is Rafael Arutyunyan asking Hanyu for an autograph and Hanyu being surprised.

If others have better translations, or see an error, please point it out, as always.