It's easier to come back and start back up where you left off in Ice Dance since there are no big elements like jumps required and Ice Dance hasn't changed at all really since V/M last competed. Getting jumps back is harder to do then any element in Ice Dance especially for a top team like V/M.
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It's easier to come back and start back up where you left off in Ice Dance since there are no big elements like jumps required and Ice Dance hasn't changed at all really since V/M last competed. Getting jumps back is harder to do then any element in Ice Dance especially for a top team like V/M.
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There's a certain quad-landing matador who will have an awful lot to say about that. I know you don't give a flying camel about him, but it'd be nice for him not to get thrown on the trash heap just yet, since he's still landed a damn sight more quads in competition and more consistently than the three you mention above (and let's not even get started on the "Chen is a total lock" junk).
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This; so much this.:agree:
Sometimes I get the impression that because Jason is a naturally extroverted and enthusiastic person, his grit, determination, and will to succeed are discounted.
Big mistake.:noshake:
I would put Adam in that category as well.
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Well, thankfully for all of us starved for men's FS news, the Broadmoor Open and the Aerial Figure Skating Challenge are coming up in about 3 weeks!
We know that Josh, Emmanuel S, Max, Vincent, Jason, and Alex K will be competing in the team jump event at the Aerial Challenge; Tim D, Ryan B, and Jeremy A are team captains, so we'll get to see all of these guys jumping soon - and there will be a Facebook Live broadcast!
https://twitter.com/aerialchallenge/status/870356946859081730
https://www.facebook.com/AerialFigureSkatingChallenge/posts/724045201131248:0
No word on who will compete at the Broadmoor Open yet, but many of the above guys have participated in the past. And although neither Nathan nor Adam are listed for the team jump challenge, I've heard Adam has been training a lot in Colorado, and Nathan has previously participated at Broadmoor, so maybe we'll see one or both of them there. Last year's Broadmoor Open was streamed by Pro-Event Photo; no word on this year's yet.
http://broadmoorskatingclub.com/events/broadmoor/
We know that Josh, Emmanuel S, Max, Vincent, Jason, and Alex K will be competing in the team jump event at the Aerial Challenge; Tim D, Ryan B, and Jeremy A are team captains, so we'll get to see all of these guys jumping soon - and there will be a Facebook Live broadcast!
https://twitter.com/aerialchallenge/status/870356946859081730
https://www.facebook.com/AerialFigureSkatingChallenge/posts/724045201131248:0
No word on who will compete at the Broadmoor Open yet, but many of the above guys have participated in the past. And although neither Nathan nor Adam are listed for the team jump challenge, I've heard Adam has been training a lot in Colorado, and Nathan has previously participated at Broadmoor, so maybe we'll see one or both of them there. Last year's Broadmoor Open was streamed by Pro-Event Photo; no word on this year's yet.
http://broadmoorskatingclub.com/events/broadmoor/
I'll be surprised if Nathan is ready by the Broadmoor. He has had a later season & SOI touring than he has in the past. My impression--based on one of his interviews--is that he is getting/was getting his programs later than normal. (Which, of course, makes sense as he was a junior the last time he competed at the Broadmoor).
Well Jason is an entertainer so he does great exhibitions. But to be fair, Nathan had just broken his skates in the FS and had a slight sprain. He wasn't going to perform regardless.
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This is correct. Several of us talked about it last year after Nathan didn't perform in the gala. He said his ankle was sore and that he had a problem with one of his blades. Perhaps the blade problem was the cause of his ankle sprain.
I don't know exactly what happened. All I know is his left boot broke during that first 4Lz. It takes a lot of power to thrust off a bad skate doing a quad. I may take a look at replays and see how far his left foot curved during take off. Probably won't though since it sounds painful. It's amazing that he landed 4 quads and a 3A after that.
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I certainly don't feel sorry for Nathan as he is the new National Champion and has looked spectacular over the Summer. We were speaking about the Gala that followed Nationals, that's all.
I think the discussion was concerning Helsinki Worlds, where bevybean implied that Nathan was snubbed by not being asked to appear in the Gala.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh. That's completely different. When I've been to World's, everyone in the final flight's was invited to do something in the Gala. So, they asked Jason instead of Nathan? That's quite a snub. Are we sure that Nathan didn't decline the invitation?
I think he declined. His skates were in no shape for skating at that point.
Chen was 6th in the results and Brown 7th and the latter got invited as the next skater because Chen was unable to perform. Nobody was snubbed....
We don't really know whether Jason was invited instead of Nathan (or as a replacement). It could be that Jason was going to get the invite regardless and Nathan's spot went to any number of skaters, even someone(s) in another discipline. It does seem Jason does generally get invited to galas, even if he doesn't place super high, like he did at 4CC this year.
I think the tl;dr conclusion one can make is that people find value both in quads and performance.
I think the tl;dr conclusion one can make is that people find value both in quads and performance.
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I didn't know Nathan was actually injured at Worlds though I knew he had skate problems. And I was implying more of the above rather than an actually snub to Nathan. (I've got to work on more specific posting)
The quads are impressive and important in terms of pushing the technical aspects of the sport. But to the untrained eye, it's hard to see a difference between a triple and a quad, but you don't need a lot of "training" to see performance quality. And the level of performing that Jason does during his programs is a rare thing --not that he is the only one who can do it, but not everyone can. And I think it speaks to his skill at the elements he does have to be comfortable enough to truly perform his programs. I think it would be sad to completely leave the "performers" out of the Olympic conversation. I think it might become quite conundrum for federations to consider as the quad trend grows. You don't really want to cater the sport to the casual fan, but if you really need a ton of knowledge to appreciate the sport then the fan base is being constricted rather than growing.
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