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Mikhail Kolyada

On the plus side, he landed 4T+3T in the second half with +GOE (apparently that's another Russian record, not that it says much about Russian men :ohwell: ). But wth happened with the spin, that has to be a first for Misha, and not in a positive sense this time? Falling in the step sequence is also new, but he has stumbled before so it is not as hard to imagine. But he did manage to largely pull himself together and do most of the jumps in the second half, so I don't think he should be accused of completely abandoning the program.
 
Kolyada its Kovtun №2. if done one programm, failed other. (sorry my english)

Kolyada is a really talented, with a lot of charm guy (unlike Kovtun). This being said, I don't think the present training works well for him, in order to make him more stable when it comes to jumps. I really appreciate Kolyada not only for the huge jumps (when he's on), but mainly for the quality of movements, he's natural in what he's doing.
 
Kolyada is a really talented, with a lot of charm guy (unlike Kovtun). This being said, I don't think the present training works well for him, in order to make him more stable when it comes to jumps. I really appreciate Kolyada not only for the huge jumps (when he's on), but mainly for the quality of movements, he's natural in what he's doing.

Kolyada likes many in russia "with a lot of charm guy". But my heart is cold. i dont samething outstanding in his skating.
although his lutz very good.
 
Kolyada is a really talented, with a lot of charm guy (unlike Kovtun). This being said, I don't think the present training works well for him, in order to make him more stable when it comes to jumps. I really appreciate Kolyada not only for the huge jumps (when he's on), but mainly for the quality of movements, he's natural in what he's doing.
You can't become stable with regard to jumps immediately after going from three quads to five (and he never even landed the three). But a higher base allows him to score higher while screwing up - at last Finlandia he didn't break 220 :palmf: And he scored lower at Rostelecom Cup than at both Challeneger events this season. What I want Misha to do is to get his head together and learn to cope with errors better - he won't stop making errors for a good long while, I suspect. The main thing - stop popping axels. This is more important than landing all the quads. They'll probably remove the spread eagle entry, a good thing they got to try it and see that it's likely to cause problems. They also may make other changes if they decide now after the competitions that something just doesn't work, so it's good he's competed three times+open test skates already before Rostelecom Cup this season.
 
Kolyada likes many in russia "with a lot of charm guy". But my heart is cold. i dont samething outstanding in his skating.
although his lutz very good.
You do realize this is a fan thread? If you don't like a skater and have nothing constructive to say, why post here?
 
Last season is part of the problem. He introduced the 4Lz too early, I don't think this is debatable. He has indeed had the whole of last season and then the off season and now we're already 2 events in (for him) and things are not at all working out. This season dovetails onto the last, and mental blocks are formed in precisely this manner among other things - by repeated negative patterns. He's human with limits; at some point it has to influence him.

I'm not suggesting losing the 4Lz forever. Skate with an opening 3Lz in the GPs (his chances of the GPF are low anyway) and try and consolidate the rest of the program. I am sure he can find a local event or two to practice more. He had a pretty good score here with the 3Lz SP, didn't he? Let him settle down a little and then reintroduce the 4Lz, after he's had a break with it and then a reintroduction. I don't think a wonky 4S would hurt him in this set-up, in fact, focusing on the Sal may eventually help the Lz too (in terms of mental strength).
I've taken this into Misha's own thread because I strongly suspect we'll get more complaints about taking over the men's thread.

It's been three events actually, it's just the first competition was local and closed to the public. His results there were kind of middle-of-the road for both SP and FS. But he did land his 4S.

I fully agree that the 4Lz was introduced too soon. The issue is that I am not sure how much of that was Misha's and Valentina's decision, and how much it was pressure to produce a second quad. This season Aliev wants to do 6 quads (probably not after his injury, but that was the original plan). Samarin tries to jump a 4Lz which currently does not look doable at all. I doubt their teams have suddenly lost touch with reality. In an ideal world maybe they could all do it differently but it's not the ideal world and an Olympic season. Taking out the 4Lz will put extra pressure on him to produce a 4S and I am not sure how much better that is. Last season that didn't work out well at all. And he did actually land the 4Lz finally, why should that make things harder for him than easier? He can't possibly expect to land it every time after this. I am not saying the 4Lz is not a factor but there must be something else going on.

And he has been scoring better compared to last season, it's more that he gets visibly worked up over things which makes everything look worse. He actually upped the jump difficulty in the second half of his FS at Finlandia on the fly (4T+3T was not intended to be there) and jumped it all with positive GOE. But people are still complaining that he fell apart because he looked like he wanted to leave the ice while doing that. I think the standards he's set for himself this season are too high and the feeling of responsibility is weighing him down. He needs to readjust his attitude somehow - it's not like he never made equally bad and worse mistakes in the past, why has it become such a huge deal right on the ice?

But we'll see. It is quite possible they'll make some major changes in the layout.
 
I've taken this into Misha's own thread because I strongly suspect we'll get more complaints about taking over the men's thread.

It's been three events actually, it's just the first competition was local and closed to the public. His results there were kind of middle-of-the road for both SP and FS. But he did land his 4S.

I fully agree that the 4Lz was introduced too soon. The issue is that I am not sure how much of that was Misha's and Valentina's decision, and how much it was pressure to produce a second quad. This season Aliev wants to do 6 quads (probably not after his injury, but that was the original plan). Samarin tries to jump a 4Lz which currently does not look doable at all. I doubt their teams have suddenly lost touch with reality. In an ideal world maybe they could all do it differently but it's not the ideal world and an Olympic season. Taking out the 4Lz will put extra pressure on him to produce a 4S and I am not sure how much better that is. Last season that didn't work out well at all. And he did actually land the 4Lz finally, why should that make things harder for him than easier? He can't possibly expect to land it every time after this. I am not saying the 4Lz is not a factor but there must be something else going on.

And he has been scoring better compared to last season, it's more that he gets visibly worked up over things which makes everything look worse. He actually upped the jump difficulty in the second half of his FS at Finlandia on the fly (4T+3T was not intended to be there) and jumped it all with positive GOE. But people are still complaining that he fell apart because he looked like he wanted to leave the ice while doing that. I think the standards he's set for himself this season are too high and the feeling of responsibility is weighing him down. He needs to readjust his attitude somehow - it's not like he never made equally bad and worse mistakes in the past, why has it become such a huge deal right on the ice?

But we'll see. It is quite possible they'll make some major changes in the layout.

I finally watched LP. I must say after reading various comments here and in Russian I expected much much worse. I am actually relieved. The only moment which is really troubling to me is the last few seconds of the program. That spin absurdly cost him a medal and even possibly gold. As a human being I think I can understand that so many things went wrong in that short space of time that when he seemingly managed to regain the control and salvage a lot of things that last totally unexpected misfortune with a spin came as a last straw... but looking back it was not the first time Mika allowed his anger & disappointment show too clearly after the program ended, which ideally should not happen no matter what and maybe should be addressed.
I think a few things could have played a role:
It was the first time in an international competition when Mika was leading after the short (correct me if I am wrong) and skating last in the final group. That might have put an extra pressure on him
then this situation with a fire alarm certainly didn't do any good
a freak fall during the steps - why? maybe there was a crevice in the ice we don't know but that kind of mistake more difficult to come back from than from a fall on a jump ... and yet he fought through the second half brilliantly and should be given a real credit for it (instead of desperate cries of ALL IS LOST etc) but, alas, it really was not Mika's day, the fate simply had different ideas.
It is quite disgusting how quickly people rush to be negative, just hope Mika does not read any of this vitriol. Imagine if he made just one less mistake and won the event - how different things would be. At Nepela his total score was less than at Finlandia and there was a short he really bombed unlike the LP at Finlandia he fought for but the final result it is all that matters... alas...
I also suspect that maybe Finlandia came too soon after Nepela. It only seems that there is 2 weeks between the events but with travelling it is only about 7 -8 days of training. I don't favour too many competitions - one in a month or 3 weeks may be but every 2 weeks leave too little time for proper training.
However, the very first part of the season, the trial so to speak, is done and I don't think all was bad.
And I wish so much that a quad race had never started and Mika had a luxury to develop at his own pace and be able to enjoy himself on the ice as it was at CoR in 2015, his first GP!
 
It's good that he realizes this layout didn't work for him, and right now is the time to move around things to acomodate the elements better. He still needs to work on getting over his mistakes during the program, in a quicker way at least. He could have easily taken a medal, even the gold with either an attempt for the 4s not just the triple, or landing the axel, or just getting that last spin to score something.
 
After making myself to actually rewatch that free skate (I still have to pause before that failed spin though) I now think the LP could really work if skated, well, not like this. Maybe it's better quality filming, or something else, but it actually looked better that before (in places). Fans who were in the rink said the same - there were parts where the program really connected. Apparently his best skate of that LP to date was at the junior test skates where he melted the ice - of course he didn't have to worry about quads there, it was all about the character. Pity almost no-one saw it. My hope is he will own that program eventually and we'll get to see it too. Of course the chances of a flawless skate with that content... Honestly, I wish there was a show version of that LP with a 4T at the most that we could watch just for the program itself.
 
Yes, RusFed's magic formula of 5 quads 'works' every time -alas they never learn

I think the problem is not in 4lz as such and the fact he already landed it in competition (and beautifully) means that it is now ready after 11 months of practising it. And I think if they kept his last season's tech we would probably see many a clean skates from Mika. The problem is that he hardly started coping with the last season content as the bar is raised again and dramatically - 2 quad SP and an extra (third quad) in LP, more jumps in a second half, difficult step sequence by Lambiel, it is just too much... I hope they make some changes before CoR
What Misha did in the second half of his FS at Finlandia in terms of stamina, compared to where it was before (especially this early in the season), actually almost amazes me in a positive way. They didn't waste their time between seasons. So I think he is ready for harder content, maybe not quite as hard as they are trying, but this being an Olympic season, the Fed - the Russian men who hope for an Olympic spot seem to be trying to jump over their heads and Misha is not the worst offender. But a higher BV does give him pretty decent scores even with subpar skates, so there is a trade-off there. I hope they can find the right balance.
 
With regard to the 4Lz now killing the program - I think what people are reacting to is Misha's emotional reaction where he looked like he was about to quit the program and run off the ice after the mistakes. He did pull himself together wrt jumps but not so much the mood. This can do more damage to the overall effect than actual mistakes. It didn't use to happen in this way and has led to all sorts of doom and gloom pronouncements. He needs to reign in his nerves at least until the end of the skate.
 
With regard to the 4Lz now killing the program - I think what people are reacting to is Misha's emotional reaction where he looked like he was about to quit the program and run off the ice after the mistakes. He did pull himself together wrt jumps but not so much the mood. This can do more damage to the overall effect than actual mistakes. It didn't use to happen in this way and has led to all sorts of doom and gloom pronouncements. He needs to reign in his nerves at least until the end of the skate.

This is what worries me the most. He can do the jumps, but with his emotional in a bind after a mistake on the 4z he is prone to more mistakes, because it takes him just a bit longer to gather his wits. The downside is that the jumps in direct succession to the 4z usually get the brunt of it, and then he leaves a lot of points on the table.

On another note, I'm kind of glad he didn't get that last spin, and didn't win, otherwise people would throw a fit because of it.
 
I am not a big fan of male skating as I am of women skaters, but I am very attracted to the presentations of Misha, he is well on the road, he feels much lighter, maybe lost weight, his lines look beautiful. I think Misha's skating is much more beautiful and stylized than Kovtun's, Misha has a very passionate expression. I know he can make his 4lz shine. , and improve the speed of his spins. I will be supporting you Mikhail !!
 
This is what worries me the most. He can do the jumps, but with his emotional in a bind after a mistake on the 4z he is prone to more mistakes, because it takes him just a bit longer to gather his wits. The downside is that the jumps in direct succession to the 4z usually get the brunt of it, and then he leaves a lot of points on the table.

On another note, I'm kind of glad he didn't get that last spin, and didn't win, otherwise people would throw a fit because of it.
To be fair, the jumps straight after the lutz may suffer due to physical factors. Falling like that is painful, if nothing else. It took him a while to get 4T right after the 4Lz, and 4S is harder for him. On the 3A it seems to be too early to experiment with the entry, I hope they'll learn from this.

Why should people throw a fit? Not Misha's fault others didn't skate well either.
 
Why should people throw a fit? Not Misha's fault others didn't skate well either.

Well, they shouldn't throw a fit, but it actually surprised me not to see many people criticizing his medal in Nepela, but then, he did a damn good FS there. Still early days, anyway.
 
Poor Mikhail. The pressure of the leader maybe was too much. He put fingers to ears when the announced Boyang's points. Many other russian skaters do that too. But the applauses tell if somebody has skated well before, so it is difficult to concentrate. It must have been difficult to everyone in the last croup of Finlandia to concentrate after the fire alarm. He had to wait so long. But in every case, he is the one the most enjoyable Russian skaters for me.
 
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