Absolutely, they looked fired up at Finlandia! Their determination was so obvious, they aren’t in it for the silver. They’ve already proved wrong those who said they couldn’t do Latin, now all they have to do is hit their levels. And considering the SD scores in the last 2 GPs and the teams who got scores in the 76-78 range, I presume the judges are ready to pull out an 80 for them in China next week, as they are very much on par with V/M in the PCS. No doubt the levels will be the decisive factor, but I feel like we’ll be seeing scores between the Top 2 teams that are much, much closer.
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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Absolutely, they looked fired up at Finlandia! Their determination was so obvious, they aren’t in it for the silver. They’ve already proved wrong those who said they couldn’t do Latin, now all they have to do is hit their levels. And considering the SD scores in the last 2 GPs and the teams who got scores in the 76-78 range, I presume the judges are ready to pull out an 80 for them in China next week, as they are very much on par with V/M in the PCS. No doubt the levels will be the decisive factor, but I feel like we’ll be seeing scores between the Top 2 teams that are much, much closer.
I believe they know what they must do, they learned a lot from the last season and won't give up easily.
I agree. I think now PC are prepared for oxorbitant scores of VM. That score was more than expected given they were skating at home. In fact, everything looked excellent but for the twizzles. PC should focus on themselves and work hard to get the levels they need. We know that they are perfectionists, they will not stand still and watch other skaters doing their job. Oh, there is a long, long week before the Cup of China
P.S. The ISU is going to chage the scoring system. Maybe this is how they are trying to prove that this change is essential. Such favoritism is not good for VM either. They are great champions and do not need overscoring to prove it.
I've heard that the number of GOE grades will be increased, from the -3/+3 range to -5/+5 to make the difference between very bad and very good elements more pronounced. Besides, they mull over lowering the base value of quadruple jumps, but it has nothing to do with ice dancing. It seems to me that a lot is now being done to prove that the current system is not perfect, in ice dancing as well.
Yes, I've read the same thing. That and that the SD is changing its name to "Rhythm Dance". I'm curious to see how thoroughly the judges will apply the GOE range.
It can result in bigger gaps between skaters after the "rhythm dance" and the senselessness of futher competition. But let's hope for the best. I hope figure skating functionaries know what they are doing.
I do not worry about it
. They want gold and will do everything to get it, their programs are great:luv17: . My concern is that they do not ski but ice dance with judges, federations. I just do not like the message of the judges on this competition (they hardly do better for the note): the Canadians are unbeatable (the score is almost perfect and this is the 1st Grand Prix of the season). We will see tonight and especially next week
At Skate Canada against V/M:think:?
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Yeah and with such high scores like w/p's and american's
But if P/C get the same levels as W/P and H/D, they beat them both by two points because (as it stands at present) P/C's PCS is generally two points above theirs. Their PCS is also as a standard about the same as V/M. Maybe with an American and Canadian tech controller there was a a pro-north American attitude on the the tech panel which is why all three got personal bests; and maybe it's about sending their teams out in to the season with a really high starter score as precedent; but that's all supposition; and based on what I saw of V/M, the edge quality on their non-touching (which would be choreographed for a level 4) was excellent. Plus if you look at the practices that they put out for both the short and free, they ignore virtually everything apart from the step sequences- that's what they are concentrating on- and the reason they are doing it is because a, they know it is important in terms of how scores are currently worked out, and b, it is a strength of theirs.
P/C will have and will have to do and I am sure are doing the same. It's very easy to look at the emotional and artistic side of their performances of both the short and free and Finlandia and think that's what they are all about; but there is certainly work going on behind the scenes in terms of the levels. I think you have to look at the level 4 for the diagonal step sequence they got Worlds 2017 in the free. The elements of the sequence had been changed and switched around and they nailed it in what was both an artistically gratifying and technically superlative step sequence. Both V/M and P/C are potentially going to max out their short or long on levels (as are some other teams). At which point GOE and PCS will come in to play (and if they both max out on the same programmes in the same competition, they will be all that comes in to play). It will be an odd situation to have two teams who on paper have done exactly the same thing, and the only difference in mark will be based on who is judged to have done it better, but that is likely this season. If one of the teams misses a level and then doesn't win, I think that, in terms of the judging system, we also get an explanation as to why the sport is losing the casual non-skating viewer, who doesn't care for something where the winner or loser can be decided upon the fact a skater did a three turn instead of a counter during the a step sequence; and can't even tell that it was the case (and if i'm honest, I'm a bit of that ilk).
And if a number of top teams including P/C do max out their levels, who wins? Well, in my opinion, it can't be called. It may well be V/M in the short, and P/C in the free, with enough to give P/C a victory. But against the other teams it is certainly at present V/M or P/C for the win. But there is a whole season to come. The best P/C can do (and what I am sure they doing) is seeking to max their levels out at every skate. If they achieve that, that in itself will be a fright to every other skating couple. Because as much as any other skating couple might end up being able to the same things; can it really be said that any other couple do it better? It has to be an attacking season for them.
That said, I don't want a Virtue and Moir versus Davies and White situation. i don't think that what that did for skating was good in the slightest; in terms of artistry and feel of programmes. I want P/C to get the levels and go for them but I don't want the abstract from the competition side of what they do to be lost as they get engaged in a series of one upmanship manoeuvres, where connection between them is sacrificed for show-off moves, andreally eggy facial expression to convince the judges they are getting drama at every second; and the sacrifice of soulfulness to prove they are the best. They need to get the levels within overall packages that are business as usual. When the competition gets really tight, it will those who are functioning in an uber competitive, really over egging of the programmes manner who end up making mistakes......... or losing levels because of it.
And if they don't get the Olympic Gold, well, they should have four more years experience when the next one comes around. Four more years in which to delight us; for more years in which they will get to function as artists, meet and work with amazing and interesting people like Jeffery, Chris and their coaching team and exist in what I'm sure will be a lovely environment at Gadbois; four more years in which to travel all over the world in competition. Four more years of free Lacoste clothing. Four more years in which the youngest contenders for the Olympic gold here; and indeed the youngest couple in the top ten at Worlds last year, and maybe this year too to get their technical skills to the highest point-scoring levels for the next time around.
I have news : for Miss Stepanova, P/C's programs = no love and no chemistry, just beautiful skating (and very easy).:noshake: https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20171028/1127868940.html
In fact the audience is stupid, standings ovations for programs without love and chemistry. Miss Stepanova is jealous
In fact the audience is stupid, standings ovations for programs without love and chemistry. Miss Stepanova is jealous
I have news : for Miss Stepanova, P/C's programs = no love and no chemistry, just beautiful skating (and very easy).:noshake: https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20171028/1127868940.html
In fact the audience is stupid, standings ovations for programs without love and chemistry. Miss Stepanova is jealous
Her programmes could surely use a bit of that "beautiful skating" that she seems to scorn. Not that it'd make their FD watchable considering the horrid vocals. She's just bitter that a team she and Bukin used to beat back in Juniors is now doing so well.
I have news : for Miss Stepanova, P/C's programs = no love and no chemistry, just beautiful skating (and very easy).:noshake: https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20171028/1127868940.html
In fact the audience is stupid, standings ovations for programs without love and chemistry. Miss Stepanova is jealous
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Disappointed though. Didn't she told the press back in 2015 hat the reason for P/C's rise is that they were the only french team, "so it was harder in Russia" ?
Just because you beat them in Juniors doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. She almost looks like she's jealous. That's too bad, I like this team on ice.
I mean Shibs are also a team with "no love". And they too get the standings ovations.
Her statement is somehow... a bit dumb. If you think there's only love that works, you clearly haven't been following Ice Dance these days.
Between a brother and a sister there is love (this one it is for the life) . Between Gabriella and Guillaume, in their program (and their life), there is love, it is just that it is a little more complicated than the prince who will marry his princess.
Exactly, I meant Romantic/Romance precisely. Thankfully not everything is like that.
And if she wants to feel inspired by romance on the ice, she should watch the Mozart FD. Not just romance but also passion, and it doesn't feel forced at all, it's very organic. Still very different from the casual romance on ice. That difference made them stand up among the field.
It's a bit narrow-minded.
You surely don't grow as performers if you keep thinking that you can't find emotions other than romantic love.(I won't say anything about the "No chemistry" thing, because that's just whatever).
I have news : for Miss Stepanova, P/C's programs = no love and no chemistry, just beautiful skating (and very easy).:noshake: https://rsport.ria.ru/interview/20171028/1127868940.html
In fact the audience is stupid, standings ovations for programs without love and chemistry. Miss Stepanova is jealous
I think she didn't mean to offend anyone. She just forgot to think twice before saying anything. As for easy, she meant that it looks beautiful and easy. In fact, it was a rather clumsy compliment (with a grain of jealosy, obviously).
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I'm sorry but Gabriella and Guillaume are very good at "romance", watch the Mozart program... it's not because they aren't doing anymore that type of program that they aren't good at it.
the questions and comments of the "journalist" are stupid, he does not make the difference between Gabriella and Guillaume (between the man and the woman in the program
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Yeah, going with only google translate, her answer doesn't seem mean spirited at all. Just an awkward question. But we all know the "love" argument by now... I cringed at the interviewer who goes on to say that a couple succeeds if they convince the audience they are dating IRL... Of course, there is nothing more to ice dance I can see it now -- a team's success depending on how many tinhat fans they have
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