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Jason Brown

So nice to hear encouragement after NHK. I really want Jason Brown
to go to the Olympics. Currently he is in second place on the GP finals
list, which is fun to see. And he got a standing ovation after his Waving through a Window exhibition at the Gala.
 
Found this CBC commentary of Jason's FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5F4tAZhGA

Kurt Browning and Carol Lane pretty much are gushing the whole time. Kurt's totally all about the change of direction move he does before the StSq. It's pretty noteworthy considering that he made so many errors. They acknowledge that he needs the jumps, but that there's still a lot to appreciate.

I've actually watched this FS more than the SC one at this point, LOL.
 
I'll pass the compliment along. :)



Consider it a backhanded compliment of Jason -- he makes his other jumps look so nice that people think "they're easy." :laugh: In all seriousness, I get why people like to repeat easy memes like that Jason doesn't jump well or whatever simply because he takes a longer time to master them. Jason's jump technique is actually pretty good when you set aside the fact he takes a while to get jumps. He improved the pop and spring of his jumps overall. The quads he did at Skate Canada looked good, it had good spring, height and it did not feel muscled through.

All that said, I'm not sure if quads are to blame for the declining popularity of the sport in the U.S. -- I think it's more that the marquee discipline, Ladies, is a bit lost right now -- while I think some people know who the Ladies are---they aren't these BIG personalities that Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, etc. were. Not to mention we're not seeing the success, Ashley's silver world medal aside, that those ladies had back the last few decades.

Mr. P said another cool thing last night that he feels like the men has had a bit of a push/revival, relative to the ladies because you have these two strong competing philosophies. He felt that Nathan is leading the effort of big quads, high impact while Jason is the other extreme, quiet workmanship, strong charisma, polish, beauty. The rest of the men seem to be have elements of one or the other.

If you look at who USOC likes to promote -- they both appreciate the excitement Nathan brings with delivering lots of high-risk jumps but they also like someone like Jason, who draws fans in with his overall packaging and performance ability. I agree with my husband--I think both these philosophies can co-exist.

please pass my appreciation/compliment about being wise to Mr. P from me also:). I'll repeat myself again, but it's easy to appreciate things looking 'big' for the first view of them, things hyped, things easy to differentiate/distinguish, especially in numbers/quantity, BUT it seems to be a difficult work to get past numbers and see the quality of all those 'background' elements/parts of skating and to appreciate it accordingly. From my perspective to be honest, I am able to enjoy much more a performance created out of sublime skating skills and individual input with botched jumps than just a skate with barely there substance counting out jumps. I grew to appreciate BOTH philosophies in their respective sense and purpose - more technical/athletic one and this based more on honing skill, edge work and development over interpretation/quality of integration of movement, music and presence; especially that both of those directions can be thrilling to see, if done with conviction, mastery and confidence. And there is always a room to grow for each skater, each direction taken - it is often a matter to us giving it a chance and time, for me it was Adam Rippon's case of some sorts: I gave it attention, time and room to grow on me and he's now one of my favourite male skaters/performers out there, a figure I grew to appreciate due to what he represents/has, not because that he has not things possessed by others.

With Jason, it's similar - he came of strong with what he actually has from the very beginning, embracing his flexibility, musicality, quality of footwork/spins etc. to build a solid base for further development. And he grew so much in his own aesthetic, way of expression ALONG with growing on so many people - he did it by the qualities, approach he has, no by things he has not. He differentiated himself from the rest of the field and actually succeed in that path - for me, it's a way harder route to recognition/success in that strict, hermetic world of figure skating than just following the trends and tendencies that are giving other skaters benefits (not necessarily meaning that all skaters will benefit from it...). Spectators want to see instant effect in everything: instant inclusion of quads, instant 'artistry' (whatever it means), instant quality of every single aspect, but there is a very little effort shown to understand the variety of approaches and situation of those athletes. For me, it's enough that they are judged by panels, given often with confusing marks - so I am myself not so quick to judge anyone or to voice my opinion like it's God's truth.

Watching Jason gave me personally a new, fresh perspective to see figure skating through - maybe it's about having an authentic joy from the sole experience and being in the rink to gave something to people, not limiting it to jumps or high marks, always gold medals. He's a role model for me in embracing the difference out there, not defining himself through 'usual standards', he won so many people by his exuberance and staying himself no matter what music plays and costume he wears. US Men field is for me a treasure to have nowadays, because of that variety You/Mr. P mentioned: you can actually SEE it and CHOOSE from it by your liking, what will resonate with you the strongest way. And there is never a contradiction and wrong thing in responding strongly to different stuff. They co-exist and thank God they are, because they allow us to constantly educate ourselves and making our eyes more open for novelty.

Found this CBC commentary of Jason's FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5F4tAZhGA

Kurt Browning and Carol Lane pretty much are gushing the whole time. Kurt's totally all about the change of direction move he does before the StSq. It's pretty noteworthy considering that he made so many errors. They acknowledge that he needs the jumps, but that there's still a lot to appreciate.

I've actually watched this FS more than the SC one at this point, LOL.

I really get that statement - it's something about struggle that bring the stuff overall closer to the people watching I feel. The pristine clean stuff makes you smile from joy, applaud skater for the achievement, makes you happy about someone's success (me about Adam after NHK FS for example), but the flawed stuff presented in the way Jason did it went deeper in my opinion in emotional sense, since the struggle is more 'common' for most of people and can be related to easier. With Jason's FS at NHK, one has to put a way more self-work to get into that performance and look past imperfections - if the effort was made, the skating and performance really had power to carry, the sublime quality of little gestures and steps, while so many people are anticipating fireworks from start to finish. As I felt the happiness for Adam, I equally felt sadness over Jason - still, both performances were impactful in their respective overall quality, it really proves Jason's strength already established that is there no matter of jump's success. But again, it's me.
 
I really get that statement - it's something about struggle that bring the stuff overall closer to the people watching I feel. The pristine clean stuff makes you smile from joy, applaud skater for the achievement, makes you happy about someone's success (me about Adam after NHK FS for example), but the flawed stuff presented in the way Jason did it went deeper in my opinion in emotional sense, since the struggle is more 'common' for most of people and can be related to easier. With Jason's FS at NHK, one has to put a way more self-work to get into that performance and look past imperfections - if the effort was made, the skating and performance really had power to carry, the sublime quality of little gestures and steps, while so many people are anticipating fireworks from start to finish. As I felt the happiness for Adam, I equally felt sadness over Jason - still, both performances were impactful in their respective overall quality, it really proves Jason's strength already established that is there no matter of jump's success. But again, it's me.

I'm surprised how many times I've played it. But yes, everything outside those 3 jump errors (and the spin error) is still really compelling. And it's neat he managed to pull the combo on the 3Lo, which has been giving him fits recently.

Still, hoping for a clean performance at Nationals. Especially since I'm going to be there in person. :biggrin:
 
I'm surprised how many times I've played it. But yes, everything outside those 3 jump errors (and the spin error) is still really compelling. And it's neat he managed to pull the combo on the 3Lo, which has been giving him fits recently.

Still, hoping for a clean performance at Nationals. Especially since I'm going to be there in person. :biggrin:

I think that You maybe just want to understand the performance as a whole and its pieces; due to its compelling factor, some really want to dig deeper and get to the core, even through flaws and imperfections. For me, those are the most interesting to get to, to understand the whole thing, the easiest to relate, but probably the hardest to take for a skater.

I can only hope that the experience will make Jason stronger in thick and thin, making up the performance even surpassing his iconic 'Riverdance' at Nationals. He should also re-watch NH FS and see that there is so much substance to build on.

And so jealous about Nationals! Please tell Jason - if You'll have any chance - that he has greetings and support from Poland:)
 
I was really surprised to hear on the TSL/NHK recap that although Jason went down to work with Frank twice this summer, they didn’t work on jumps. According to Dave, the first time he went down he was breaking in new boots, so they worked on spins instead of jumps; on his second trip, he worked with Rohene (mostly or exclusively?) on the new show program - presumably that was right before Sun Valley, since that’s where he debuted it.

I don’t know what to think.

Dave is not infallible but he has often been right about stuff that’s not public knowledge. If it’s true, I find it really surprising, especially given that Jason only did one Sr B this fall (so presumably had more training time available) and that he’s been struggling with jumps all season (i.e., the 3A and 3L as well as the quads).

I’m sure some of the trouble was that he had to get the rest of his very tough programs under his belt - so maybe they didn’t think it was worth it to send him for concentrated jump work before. But both programs look good overall now - more people seem to like them - so hopefully he’ll see Frank and work on jumps when he gets back from Japan. Kori has always likened herself to a GP and said that she is all for sending her skaters to specialists for help when necessary. I really hope that’s still true.
 
Love the Canadian commentary, thanks. Probably I am the only one, but I think the clip of Skate Canada shows the completely blue outfit gives an attractive silhouette to his FS.

Jason Brown is third in the world for this season!
 
I'm surprised how many times I've played it. But yes, everything outside those 3 jump errors (and the spin error) is still really compelling. And it's neat he managed to pull the combo on the 3Lo, which has been giving him fits recently.

Still, hoping for a clean performance at Nationals. Especially since I'm going to be there in person. :biggrin:

Haha I still haven't watched either programme! I never can watch Jason live - luckily I have a dear (and understanding and long-suffering) friend who provides me with a live PBP on social media every time he skates, so I know how he's doing and also whether to watch the performances later or not and when to avert my eyes if I do. Still haven't watched any of last season's NHK either :laugh: After reading your post I did have a look at the step sequence on the CBC video and now I know who my favourite commentators are :biggrin:
 
I was really surprised to hear on the TSL/NHK recap that although Jason went down to work with Frank twice this summer, they didn’t work on jumps. According to Dave, the first time he went down he was breaking in new boots, so they worked on spins instead of jumps; on his second trip, he worked with Rohene (mostly or exclusively?) on the new show program - presumably that was right before Sun Valley, since that’s where he debuted it.

I don’t know what to think.

Dave is not infallible but he has often been right about stuff that’s not public knowledge. If it’s true, I find it really surprising, especially given that Jason only did one Sr B this fall (so presumably had more training time available) and that he’s been struggling with jumps all season (i.e., the 3A and 3L as well as the quads).

I’m sure some of the trouble was that he had to get the rest of his very tough programs under his belt - so maybe they didn’t think it was worth it to send him for concentrated jump work before. But both programs look good overall now - more people seem to like them - so hopefully he’ll see Frank and work on jumps when he gets back from Japan. Kori has always likened herself to a GP and said that she is all for sending her skaters to specialists for help when necessary. I really hope that’s still true.

So who's Dave's mole in El Segundo?

I don't see the second time as necessarily being a trip to work with Frank. Did Dave say it was? It sounds like he just stayed in L.A. after Glacier Falls until going to San Francisco the following weekend. Maybe Rohene was planning to be there as well and it was a good time to work on the new EX on Toyota Center ice. At the time, I remember it seemed like a lot of the Monument skaters and coaches stayed in L.A. the week after the GF comp. I guess he could have gone back down the week between SF and SV. :confused:
 
So who's Dave's mole in El Segundo?

I don't see the second time as necessarily being a trip to work with Frank. Did Dave say it was? It sounds like he just stayed in L.A. after Glacier Falls until going to San Francisco the following weekend. Maybe Rohene was planning to be there as well and it was a good time to work on the new EX on Toyota Center ice. At the time, I remember it seemed like a lot of the Monument skaters and coaches stayed in L.A. the week after the GF comp. I guess he could have gone back down the week between SF and SV. :confused:

I don’t know who Dave knows! But I will say that his info - as opposed to innuendo - is frequently good.

As to what was planned, I can’t say - I’m really only repeating what was said. My real point is that it doesn’t appear Jason has worked with Frank on his jumps recently.
 
Great photo!

TMC, same here. Somehow I made the fatal mistake of watching the brief NHK on U.S. 📺. The falls don't bother me, but the talk emphasizing only them does. A good commentator should help one enjoy all skaters, I think.
 
good luck too Jason on his next competition and who knows maby there is still a chance he will be able too compete at the 2018 0lympcs. fingers crossed. and one day I believe he will achevie the quads jumps and he will be able too perform them even blind folded.:hap10::clapper::rock::peace::cheer::party:
 
If Fernandez and Uno finish 1-2 (or 2-1), then Jason has a pretty good chance of qualifying for the GPF, no?

Depends on Skam. Voronov will beat him with 5th or higher. Adam will beat him with a podium spot. Same with Boyang. Adam and Boyang run into a tie breaker situation with 4th.

Assuming Nathan finishes 1st, a 2-4 finish of Adam, Boyang and Sergei (or Boyang, Adam and Sergei) with put all three in the final and Jason out.

Mura and Han could create some interesting scenarios. Mura was last at SC, but on a good day he could get on the podium.
 
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I said it was a good chance, not a great chance!

I think Adam will be the key, but maybe a spoiler could help them both get in…assuming Javier and Shoma do their jobs.
 
I said it was a good chance, not a great chance!

I think Adam will be the key, but maybe a spoiler could help them both get in…assuming Javier and Shoma do their jobs.

I wasn't opining on your thoughts, just answering your question. :)

Given the unpredictable nature of the men, any scenario seems possible at this point...we'll have a clear idea after tomorrow who needs to do what.
 
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I wasn't opining on your thoughts, just answering your question. :)

Given the unpredictable nature of the men, any scenario seems possible at this point...we'll have a clear idea after tomorrow who needs to do what.

The dream scenario for Jason is a Fernandez victory, the Georgian skater moving up to 2nd, and Shoma slipping to 5th. Highly unlikely…and I want Shoma in the finals as much as I want Jason anyway.
 
The dream scenario for Jason is a Fernandez victory, the Georgian skater moving up to 2nd, and Shoma slipping to 5th. Highly unlikely…and I want Shoma in the finals as much as I want Jason anyway.

Shona would actually have to fall to 6th, cause at 5th, he'd still pass Jason. But i agree it's unlikely.
 
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