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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

I can do the Russian one if you really need it:laugh::laugh: Read my post above. This guy likes discussing skaters' apperances and other issues which have nothing to do with sport. And he is a huge fan of the Canadian team.
Well, if you put it that way, it doesn't sound very appealing :laugh: Thanks for your proposal. I'll take the spanish one then if someone is up for it.

It's her back:)
I thought so, this dress is gorgeous as is she btw. I think both their SD and FD costumes are spot on this year. I have a hunch they won't change them because they look so comfortable wearing them.
 
Thank you Maya for these details ! I also have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind :

The pattern looked really good on the camera work. How was it live and how was it frankly in comparaison to the others ?

How does the lifts look in person ? Does it blend as much live ?

I'm not going to bother you more and I hope you truly enjoyed your weekend :laugh:
 
Thank you Maya for these details ! I also have a couple of questions for you if you don't mind :

The pattern looked really good on the camera work. How was it live and how was it frankly in comparaison to the others ?

How does the lifts look in person ? Does it blend as much live ?

I'm not going to bother you more and I hope you truly enjoyed your weekend :laugh:

Yes, it was a very beautiful weekend:love:

the rumba pattern was really very good ... and much better than the others (for me) . Deep edges, beautiful ease and flow, clear and crisp steps and all points.
The lifts are all very beautiful, and are extremely delicate ... Gabriella is a feather and Guillaume seems to lift her with disconcerting ease (he takes her in his arms and nothing can happen to him or her, it's my sensation), there is no tension, no visible effort. Their faces during the lifts are :love:

This moment when Gabi falls in his arms is wonderfulhttps://youtu.be/bJBG0b58H3s?t=3m19s
 
Yes, it was a very beautiful weekend:love:

the rumba pattern was really very good ... and much better than the others (for me) . Deep edges, beautiful ease and flow, clear and crisp steps and all points.
The lifts are all very beautiful, and are extremely delicate ... Gabriella is a feather and Guillaume seems to lift her with disconcerting ease (he takes her in his arms and nothing can happen to him or her, it's my sensation), there is no tension, no visible effort. Their faces during the lifts are :love:

This moment when Gabi falls in his arms is wonderfulhttps://youtu.be/bJBG0b58H3s?t=3m19s

Thank you Maya for those answers ! :agree:
 
I've read a few statements somewhere that G&G are slow skaters.

People watch skaters on videos and mistake freneticism for speed: they assume that if they can see a lot of movement that the skaters are moving fast. Plus also the deeper the edge the more curved the glide, so you can have greater speed and not (in terms of a straight line) travel any further within can amount of time, although you will have covered more ice.

This channel has near aerial views of all the main team's free skates at Worlds 2017. Watching the circular step sequence for example from G/G compared to the other curved step sequences from other teams, their speed becomes apparent, but as with everything they do, the little seeming effort they do achieve that speed makes it deceptive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S06V2ax6mo&t=280s


re: the free dance at IDF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBG0b58H3s&t=86s

Can I also just point out two points in the free dance that are really small but which really take by breath away. The first is the exit from the curved lift where in the transitions out of the lift- 1:32- Guillaume goes on to one foot on a really deep edge and their bodies align before one move before Gabi is finally no longer supported by him. We are used to seeing this sort of exit from a lift but the man is generally on two feet throughout. The second is the moment at the end of the midline step sequence at 3:36- gabby sustains a pose and reinforces it in the viewers eye for just a split second before they begin to make their way towards the choreographic spinning movement. They are both really tiny details, but the way they are performed and expressed with intent is what makes the difference between them and all the other teams......
 
Thank you for your explanations about the speed of skating. It was very interesting and useful. :agree:

Sorry for being so annoying but I have one more question. Why did P/C lose a level on their PSt? All the steps seem to be well executed for my terribly unprofessional eye and the GOEs are nearly perfect. So I assume there were no mistakes in the footwork. Was there a separation then?

I was a bit sceptical about the choice of Ed Sheen for the rhumba at first, but the more I watch it the more it grows on me. IMO it differs from other SDs in a positive way and I like the changes they introduce every time. The FD is iconic and ethereal. :love:
 
Thank you Maya for the details. Now I have two shallow remarks/question. Is the back of Gaby's dress cut out so that it is actually her back we're seeing or is there a sheer colored fabric ? I ask because I notice Charlene Guignard's dress has a similar back but it's obvious there's a fabric and may I say they should do sg about because the cut stop way below the neck and the color doesn't perfectly match her skin, doesn't look good. Also, now this is a bit silly but looks like Guillaume shaved his chest, didn't he ? I remember some people commenting on chest hairs and mentioning him. I wonder if he got wind of those remarks.

Ok done with the silly. I noticed how improved and much faster the presto part was. I was blown away this time around. I liked it before but it was clearly not keeping up in terms of energy and pace with the music. Now the spins increased in speed, they also show more intensity transiting into them, it's nearly aggressive and I love it. Plus, Gaby added this fast arm movement right on an accented note during the last one, avoiding all the spinning to become to monotonous. The presto does have a sense of urgency which they both reflected much more intently here, especially Guillaume, you could see him pumping air looking all fierce and kind of angry while starting the midline step sequence. And that spin on his knees to conclude the presto, such a highlight. I don't know where it can go from there, it's already so good but I trust they'll keep cranking up the emotions and speed.
BTW, is there someone speaking Russian and Spanish willing to roughly translate the TDP and Russian Eurosport videos here and here.

Is it not always obvious in close-ups if bare parts are in fact covered with skin-colour fabric? I have the feeling that you somehow always get some shot that is close enough to show either the fabric or the hems or the elastic bands. If I'm correct, it was custom before to skate in skin-colour tights, and you could see that even. Our skin colour changes easily, so it's not easy to have clothes that perfectly match the colour of our skin on different occasions.
On the same topic: the Shibs' short dance looks from a distance as if they wanted to pretend that Alex is bare-chested. I honestly don't know what they were going for, but for me it's obvious that with THAT colour, you either are colour blind or you wanted to match his skin colour... :sarcasm:

Speaking of bare chests: it immediately struck me that Guillaume shaved his chest before this season. It's growing back already though. Luckily.

And I have come to the conclusion that the reason why Gabriella does not need any elastic bands or skin colour fabric and still can have a super bare back without risking to show her breasts is because the dress she wears is super simple: it is a real gymnastics leotard made fully of blue stretch material with a simple voile skirt stitched onto it. The voile rips easily though, but that's for a different post.

I am still confused about the presto in Grenoble. When I watched it not-live on the YT stream (I didn't know there was such a thing: I can watch YT but something in my computer/flash is blocking me from seeing live streams on sports sites), I was struck by how well they hit the notes (boo-booms) as compared to the other video's (Villars, Finlandia and CoC). I was really impressed that it was all of a sudden together. But now, in the downloads that I have, it's back to how it was before: everything just AFTER the beat. The head-wobble, the throw, the arms, (the end of the third spin is anyway not really on the beat), the crash into Guillaume's arms... What is now going on???
Anyway, if I may be so bold as to propose something that seems to me screaming for fulfilment as it is sooooo obvious: can Gabriella PLEASE pull her arm down strongly at the end of the second spin, on the enormously accentuated beat? It seems like an easy movement to do and I may be much mistaken, but man, would that give a clear accent where now there's only a big auditive BOO-BOOM...
Much of the magic is created by the illusion that the movement creates the music, that the music is the result of the movement. Even though we all know it isn't possible, nobody can resist being struck by that illusion. But that means that you have to anticipate and start the movement before the music gives the beat. And so far, in the video's that I now have, it's always just a bit too late. I wonder how that is possible and what is real. Of course, with an olympic sized rink you get acoustic issues so who hears what, and is the recorded sound what everybody else hears? Even the YT streaming video that someone posted has the same delay... :confused:
 
THE TEAR IN GABRIELLA'S SKIRT WAS STILL THERE!!!
NOTHING WAS REPAIRED, NOTHING WAS CHANGED!!! DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING?? ARE WE TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS?? CAN WE STILL SLEEP AT NIGHT?????
*super-dramatic music, with hysterical screams in the back*
 
Never watch recordings with Russian commentators. Their comments are shameful and unprofessional.:palmf: In such moments I wish I did not speak Russian. So I prefer watching without comments at all.

Isn't there a woman that is a great fan of Gaby and Guillaume? Last year's GPF video by the Pryamoy Efir channel (Arena programme if I understand what is written correctly) had a woman who was convinced they would at least win the free. I asked my Ukranian neighbour to translate what they were saying, and she promised that they wouldn't blab through the dance (which they sweetly kept). I would love to know who she is. The guy is now alone or with other guys and clearly doesn't give **** about keeping his mouth shut. He already last year did not feel the same way as the woman, so if this is that same guy, I bet he's not very complementary towards G and G.

ETA: Please tell me that that woman was a great skater!
 
Thank you for your explanations about the speed of skating. It was very interesting and useful. :agree:

Sorry for being so annoying but I have one more question. Why did P/C lose a level on their PSt? All the steps seem to be well executed for my terribly unprofessional eye and the GOEs are nearly perfect. So I assume there were no mistakes in the footwork. Was there a separation then?

I was a bit sceptical about the choice of Ed Sheen for the rhumba at first, but the more I watch it the more it grows on me. IMO it differs from other SDs in a positive way and I like the changes they introduce every time. The FD is iconic and ethereal. :love:

With camera work it's difficult to see what could have been better or not on the Pst, and the GOEs are actually giving them the maximum of point (which is incredible). Someone on twitter (a relatable skating account) saw one or 2 glitches (minimal) but that's enough if there is one sliiiightly unclean turn to not get level4. For me that's perfectly fine in this competition and maybe this will help them focus more on being even cleaner next time. (And they still get a total WR with one level to go in the SD and one in the FD = 3 points to spare which is actually good news in terms of point gap).

I want to point out that the Tech Specialist was Canadian, and just like the French Tech controller at NHK when V/M were competiting, I think she did a great job and that's really great to notice how both countries won't give in to a national bias, well at least with these 2 judges. They both have a very good reputation and they lived up to it.

But I rewatched the Pst in China and the camera work showed such a perfect Pst, flawless, I was :eek: Listen to it with the Olympic channel commentary with Ben Agosto, he raved about it.
(I think P/C's Pst is what the No-touch is to V/M...)

Now for GPF, I want them to get a full-on level4 SD. I don't think they have a choice, if they want to be first.
 
Isn't there a woman that is a great fan of Gaby and Guillaume? Last year's GPF video by the Pryamoy Efir channel (Arena programme if I understand what is written correctly) had a woman who was convinced they would at least win the free. I asked my Ukranian neighbour to translate what they were saying, and she promised that they wouldn't blab through the dance (which they sweetly kept). I would love to know who she is. The guy is now alone or with other guys and clearly doesn't give **** about keeping his mouth shut. He already last year did not feel the same way as the woman, so if this is that same guy, I bet he's not very complementary towards G and G.

ETA: Please tell me that that woman was a great skater!

I think you mean Tatiana Tarasova, a great Russian figure skating coach. She worked as a coach for years, among her students were many great champions. It was always interesting to listen to her comments although sometimes she was too emotional and talkative.:laugh: The problem is that Arena does not show the Grand Prix series this year. They did not buy the rights or something like that. I am not aware of all the details as I am from a neighboring country.
The only option for Russians to watch figure skating on TV live is Russian Eurosport with Mr. Zhurankov and his unprofessional comments (believe me, they are so, I just don't want to translate all that crap here).
 
I thought so, this dress is gorgeous as is she btw. I think both their SD and FD costumes are spot on this year. I have a hunch they won't change them because they look so comfortable wearing them.

Due to the tear not being repaired, I am wondering if we are in for a surprise...
I don t really mind either way, it's just the sleuth in me getting itchy :laugh:
 
Isn't there a woman that is a great fan of Gaby and Guillaume? Last year's GPF video by the Pryamoy Efir channel (Arena programme if I understand what is written correctly) had a woman who was convinced they would at least win the free. I asked my Ukranian neighbour to translate what they were saying, and she promised that they wouldn't blab through the dance (which they sweetly kept). I would love to know who she is. The guy is now alone or with other guys and clearly doesn't give **** about keeping his mouth shut. He already last year did not feel the same way as the woman, so if this is that same guy, I bet he's not very complementary towards G and G.

ETA: Please tell me that that woman was a great skater!
As VikiLeeks wrote, the woman on the Arena channel was Tatiana Tarasova (probably you have seen her name mentioned somewhere on the figure skating forums), a very well known and respected figure in the figure skating world, who is quite knowledgeable about ice dancing, but also has an inclination towards subjective favoritism, and, while often being close to ecstatic about her favorites, is also quite harsh towards those she doesn't like for some reason. Luckily she is a great fan of Gabriella and Guillaume, although she has loved also Virtue/Moir for a long time.

As for the men commentating, the commentator on the Arena channel was Alexander Grishin - he is comparatively more knowledgeable and better informed than Zhurankov from the Russian Eurosport channel (that's where most of those Russian videos that you can find on YouTube now are from), but he also tends to be quite cynical and nasty in his comments, sometimes even making fun of skaters not in a good way. Zhurankov, while less knowledgeable, is almost never (or never) quite so nasty. Also, he had another, older commentator as his partner before on Eurosport who was a bit more knowledgeable (a former ice dancer himself) and much more positive and kind towards everyone. Unfortunately, he is not commentating this season.

The guy who has commentated the ice dancing competitions on GP events together with Zhurankov this season, is Maxim Staviski, World champion in ice dancing in 2006 and 2007. He can recognize overall skating quality, correct/wrong turns/steps in patterns or step sequences, but he is not quite up to the current rules (at least not in detail), and he is also a bit cynical and cold in his assesment of skating. It's really rare that you get that he likes a skater or a program/performance a lot. He clearly appreciates P/C's skating quality, but he is not a fan of their skating style and type of connection. He has never been a huge fan of V/M either, but he seems to like their current FD and the performance of it a lot.
 
Is it not always obvious in close-ups if bare parts are in fact covered with skin-colour fabric? I have the feeling that you somehow always get some shot that is close enough to show either the fabric or the hems or the elastic bands. If I'm correct, it was custom before to skate in skin-colour tights, and you could see that even. Our skin colour changes easily, so it's not easy to have clothes that perfectly match the colour of our skin on different occasions.
On the same topic: the Shibs' short dance looks from a distance as if they wanted to pretend that Alex is bare-chested. I honestly don't know what they were going for, but for me it's obvious that with THAT colour, you either are colour blind or you wanted to match his skin colour... :sarcasm:

Speaking of bare chests: it immediately struck me that Guillaume shaved his chest before this season. It's growing back already though. Luckily.

And I have come to the conclusion that the reason why Gabriella does not need any elastic bands or skin colour fabric and still can have a super bare back without risking to show her breasts is because the dress she wears is super simple: it is a real gymnastics leotard made fully of blue stretch material with a simple voile skirt stitched onto it. The voile rips easily though, but that's for a different post.

I am still confused about the presto in Grenoble. When I watched it not-live on the YT stream (I didn't know there was such a thing: I can watch YT but something in my computer/flash is blocking me from seeing live streams on sports sites), I was struck by how well they hit the notes (boo-booms) as compared to the other video's (Villars, Finlandia and CoC). I was really impressed that it was all of a sudden together. But now, in the downloads that I have, it's back to how it was before: everything just AFTER the beat. The head-wobble, the throw, the arms, (the end of the third spin is anyway not really on the beat), the crash into Guillaume's arms... What is now going on???
Anyway, if I may be so bold as to propose something that seems to me screaming for fulfilment as it is sooooo obvious: can Gabriella PLEASE pull her arm down strongly at the end of the second spin, on the enormously accentuated beat? It seems like an easy movement to do and I may be much mistaken, but man, would that give a clear accent where now there's only a big auditive BOO-BOOM...
Much of the magic is created by the illusion that the movement creates the music, that the music is the result of the movement. Even though we all know it isn't possible, nobody can resist being struck by that illusion. But that means that you have to anticipate and start the movement before the music gives the beat. And so far, in the video's that I now have, it's always just a bit too late. I wonder how that is possible and what is real. Of course, with an olympic sized rink you get acoustic issues so who hears what, and is the recorded sound what everybody else hears? Even the YT streaming video that someone posted has the same delay... :confused:

I've always thought since Finlandia they've been just bit behind the beats. (This week it was slightly better) The guys at The Skating Lesson mentioned that the recording is a bit too fast. It may also have to do with the arrangement of steps.
 
Anyway, if I may be so bold as to propose something that seems to me screaming for fulfilment as it is sooooo obvious: can Gabriella PLEASE pull her arm down strongly at the end of the second spin, on the enormously accentuated beat? It seems like an easy movement to do and I may be much mistaken, but man, would that give a clear accent where now there's only a big auditive BOO-BOOM...
But she already added this sudden arm movement which fits the music on the 3rd spin, so doing it on the 2nd as well would be too repetitive. I actually like that new move, it adds some energy to that last spin, which was not working so well in the choreography.
About the delay, I don't see it, but I might not be as perceptive. Everything looked much sharper, faster for the presto and on the beat than in CoC, to my untrained eyes at least.
As for the dress, you're right the rip was still there. I wonder if this is superstition: let's keep the dress from WR breaking CoC. They'll have to do something eventually, but I'd love for them to keep those costumes which are perfect imo. I especially love the back of her dress, elegant and a bit sensual tbh.
 
Wow so many interesting posts since Friday, I need to take some time to read all of them :)

Big thanks to Gabriella and Guillaume, they delivered outstanding performances at both Cup of China and Internationaux de France.

Score wise, they managed to beat the FD WR and the overall WR twice within 2 weeks.
In addition, they are the first couple to break the 200pts threshold, also they broke it twice within 2 weeks!
And they finally broke the FD 120pts threshold in Grenoble...
It's just unbelievable but not that surprising considering their talent, their motivation, their engagement and the fact they worked like hell in the past months.
 
I know there are many who don't like Ed Sheeran's 'Shape of You' for their SD, but I've always actually liked the piece even before they chose it for the program. :-) If you do a search on YouTube, you'll find it being used in lots of samba and other Latin American dance routines with a modern twist. Here are some clips I found which are making me think that Gabby didn't even need to wear a Brazilian costume to pull it off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzBdLzXgwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFUlInOOLU

This was from a British TV dance competition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pR7bbsWevM

These last two are used for the Bachata (dance from the Dominican Republic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_8UNAJlpgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZgAyS87chE

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For those who were still wondering, they won't skip Euros this year : https://twitter.com/GabriellaPks/status/932826879874207744
:agree:

Excellent!!
 
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