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2017-18 State of U.S. Men's Figure Skating

This is a huge win for Nathan. Most of the Men did not skate well today (Except Sergei) and I believe they all fell and some of them, more than once...I'd blame the Ice but Japan takes such care of the rinks, and the arena was beautiful. The fans were great and I guess the Men were nervous as this was a high caliber event even without Hanyu and Patrick.
 
I hope USFS figures out a timeshare situation for Camden in which Tom Z. coaches him on jumps, another coach/choreographer works with him regularly on presentation, and a third coach helps with spins.

It already is true that Camden works regularly with others on presentation.

And wouldn't surprise me if he already works regularly with a spin coach.

Both of the above would be nothing out of the ordinary for Tom Z's skaters.


I'm thrilled for Camden that he won JGPF silver :dance2:.
(Thrilled also for his wonderful mother :ghug:, who I hope is with him in Nagoya. When Camden was blowing kisses from center ice, I hoped that he was blowing them partly to her.)

Congratulations to him, Alex K, and Nathan :yay:.


... . what's up with Torgashev? ... (He has struggled with injuries in the past, right?) ...

He's battling with back pain, according to this tweet from ISU.

Many big hugs to Torgashev :ghug:.

Sorry to hear about his back pain.

I'm no expert on him, but he has had at least one major injury in the past. Missed many months of training, IIRC. (Off the top of my head, don't remember whether it was a full season, but it was months and months of disruption to his training.)
 
I'm really hoping to see Alexei at 4CC.

Also, Adam has now beaten Jason a couple times in a row. It'd had been a long time since that happened until NHK, right? I think Adam is in a really good position for the Olympic team.
 
This is kind of off topic but....What happened to Shotaro Omeri??? Is he injured? He was right up there with Joshua and Jason when they were Juniors.....Did he retire??
 
This is kind of off topic but....What happened to Shotaro Omeri??? Is he injured? He was right up there with Joshua and Jason when they were Juniors.....Did he retire??

Shotaro Omori didn't qualify for the US Nationals as he was 5th in the Pacific Coast Sectionals.
 
I'm really hoping to see Alexei at 4CC.

Also, Adam has now beaten Jason a couple times in a row. It'd had been a long time since that happened until NHK, right? I think Adam is in a really good position for the Olympic team.

I agree that Adam is in a good position for the Olympic team, but because of how well he did at NHK and SA, not because he has “beaten” Jason twice this season.

He definitely outperformed Jason at NHK and outscored him by a lot. But his total score here was only 0.52 points higher than Jason’s, and in addition, between the SP and the FS he was called for 3 underotations and he had a fall and a downgrade on the 4Z. So while yes, he placed 5th and Jason placed 6th, it wasn’t exactly what I would call a resounding victory.
 
Shotaro Omori didn't qualify for the US Nationals as he was 5th in the Pacific Coast Sectionals.

That's surprising and a bit sad. He really is a great skater and now that he's getting older I have to wonder how motivated he is. He was on every podium he went for as a Junior and this must be hard for him to deal with.
 
First of all, congratulations to Nathan and to the junior guys for their medals and to the US men for probably having the most promising bench in men skating right now. That's quite an accomplishment!
Also, one question: how long ago did Jason start working on his quad?
 
^ a long time ago. I'd say Jason really started attempting it in the 2015-2016 season, before he was out due to his back injury.
 
It was a depressing sort of Final. Like, so meh. Yes, we can be happy for nathan’s big win. But the men’s event was full of falls and step-outs and skaters trying to do such different elements that they simply cannot execute half the time BECAUSE they are too trying on the body.☹️
 
Nathan needs to dial it back to about 4 quads in the LP which is the limit of what he can do right now he will still be competitive with 4 quads but being clean is more important right now. His struggles make what he did last season starting at the GPF through 4CC even more amazing.
 
This is kind of off topic but....What happened to Shotaro Omeri??? Is he injured? He was right up there with Joshua and Jason when they were Juniors.....Did he retire??

mrrice, I think Shotaro was only ever really up with Josh and Jason that once...they were always ahead of him after that.

Personally I didn't think any of the three men at GPF were particularly convincing (though obviously Nathan won). Both Adam and Jason had separate problems. Nationals is still up for grabs.
 
I agree that Adam is in a good position for the Olympic team, but because of how well he did at NHK and SA, not because he has “beaten” Jason twice this season.

He definitely outperformed Jason at NHK and outscored him by a lot. But his total score here was only 0.52 points higher than Jason’s, and in addition, between the SP and the FS he was called for 3 underotations and he had a fall and a downgrade on the 4Z. So while yes, he placed 5th and Jason placed 6th, it wasn’t exactly what I would call a resounding victory.

I would say that neither of them made an impression (a good one, LOL) at GPF. Besides, it was a rather lacking event without two Olympic medal contenders... Even the fact that those two happened to make the GPF under these circumstances is not something to write home about. Rippon and Jin would not have made the GPF with the presence of Hanyu and Fernandez and Jin would have been the first alternative, not Brown. That shows the standing of those two US skaters.

I doubt very much that the current outcome from GPF will be a deciding fact for qualifying for the US Olympic team in any way. As a matter of fact my guess is that the results from US Nationals will be even more crucial now.
 
Rippon and Jin would not have made the GPF with the presence of Hanyu and Fernandez and Jin would have been the first alternative, not Brown.

Just a reminder that Fernandez was 'present' on the GP circuit...he just didn't compete well enough to make the final.
 
i wonder why Nathan didn't put 4Lo in LP, from what he show in senior B he's quite consistent with it. He should replace 4S with 4Lo since he tend to pop his 4S (i think its arguably his weakest quads and 2nd in jump after 3A)
 
Just a reminder that Fernandez was 'present' on the GP circuit...he just didn't compete well enough to make the final.

He was competing as well as one possibly can while suffering from food-poisoning. And his total scores in GP were about 30 points more than those of Brown: http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2017/gpsmen.pdf

There is no doubt to that Fermandez would not have made the GPF without his unfortunate illness.
 
I have a feeling at the Olympics the older guys are going to bring it and make the younger ones either be clean also because sloppy skating even with all these quads might not be enough.
 
:sarcasm: Jason and Adam may not have made a good impression on Jaana, but it’s clear from the videos and the protocols that the audience and the judges appreciated many things they did. As to whether the competition was “lacking” without Hanyu or Javi, all I will say is that one of the things I greatly appreciate about Hanyu is that - in contrast to many skating fans - he shows great respect for all of his competitors, and frequently acknowledges the things they do well.

Adam’s performance, while not perfect, was a huge improvement over his showing at the GPF last year; just as important, he maintained relative consistency even though he only had two weeks between Skate America and the GPF. Jason has been less consistent than usual this season, and he had a really poor free skate at NHK. Here, despite the last minute notice, he showed significant improvement over NHK, scoring nearly 7 points higher, landing 2 of his 3As, and skating a nearly clean SP. He’s still not where he needs to be, but the demonstrated improvement is important.

My personal opinion is that whoever makes the Olympic team this year will depend on (1) how much USFS cares about medalling in the team event; and (2) whether Nathan wants to skate both segments.

Since Nathan is a strong contender for an individual medal and there are only a few days between the team and individual events, I’d be very surprised if he skates both segments; its most likely that he’ll do the SP because it determines whether you move on to the FS.

Assuming that’s true, given Adam’s consistency this season and demonstrated ability to score well in the FS, unless he bombs at Nats, I think there’s a strong chance he’ll be selected to skate the FS in the team event.

In this scenario, I think the third spot is important as a backup, in case Nathan or Adam is unable to skate in the team event for some reason.

Although Jason has been somewhat inconsistent lately, in the past year he has scored 89-94 in the SP and 170+ in the FS at four different international competitions. Both Max and Vincent have scored comparably in the FS, but neither one has scored nearly as well in the SP. So unless Jason bombs at Nats, I think he has a bit of an advantage.

Unless, of course, someone has a breakout “Riverdance” moment or USFS thinks differently than I do. ;)

ETA, I think it’s kind of stupid to “what if” competitions. Things happen. There is no doubt Jason would have made the GPF last year if he hadn’t been skating with an undiagnosed stress fracture. He didn’t make it last year. Javi didn’t make it this year. The field is what it is.
 
Not frequently enough, apparently.

Based on Camden's programs at JGPF, I doubt that spinning is getting short shrift in his training.

Four of Camden's five spins were Level 4, with all judges giving GOE of 1 or 2 across the board.


That said, room for improvement (as is true for every skater for one type of element/component or another).
The first spin of his SP was Level 1. Three judges gave GOE of -1. I'm sure that Camden will be giving special attention to that one before Nats.

Go, Camden :yay:.


This is kind of off topic but....What happened to Shotaro Omeri??? Is he injured? He was right up there with Joshua and Jason when they were Juniors.....Did he retire??

Shotaro Omori didn't qualify for the US Nationals as he was 5th in the Pacific Coast Sectionals.

Yes, I am sad that Sho Omori :luv17: did not qualify for Nats.
With Rabbitt, Kulenkamp, Dyer, and Payannet as worthy competitors at Pacific Coast Sectionals, someone unfortunately was going to get left out :sad4:.

ETA:
Payannet used to be Colorado-based, and in previous years, he qualified for Nats via Midwestern Sectionals. He now lives, works :bow:, and trains in California, and this year was his first at Pacific Coast Sectionals.

Since Sho's bronze at Junior Worlds, he has had to battle injury, although I don't know the latest on that front.

Sho's lovely performance from this year's An Evening with Champions:


As for what I was trying to remember re Torgashev and an older injury, I have checked his website.

It was a broken ankle that caused him to miss a full season a couple of years ago.

Hope he can skate free of back pain at Nats.

Go, Andrew :yay:.
 
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